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Old 12-06-2012, 09:47 PM   #101
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Mothergrabbing Knowshon Moreno Big up

Strongest I ever remember seeing him run, stepping it up in a big way, at just the right time.

1. The dude's legs are back. His vision is there. Determination is sick.
2. Nearly flawless execution out of a single back set.
3. 26-yard gain on dump pass on 3rd and 10? Unreal.
4. Knowshon dragging defenders late in the game past the 1st down marker. Come get some!
5. The patented Knowshon hurdle-move? Yes, he hurdles players.

Even during OL breakdowns, he still gets yards. I'm so proud of #27. Glad you are a Denver Bronco homeboy. Great attitude...and plenty of skill.

This might be the Broncos best chance. Plenty of teams are going to be salivating for JDR.

Go get 'em Knowshon! Bronco salute
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:49 PM   #102
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He played very well....especially on that last drive. However a "great" run for Nowshon is 10yds. That's the downside!

But, is he as good as Joseph Adai or Donald Brown....heck yeah!
He had an 18 yard run today....
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:52 PM   #103
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I think he played a good game tonight. But I dont think "whoever" needs to eat crow as described by OP. This was one of his best games, but I believe, on 32 carries vs the Raiders with our line he should have done MUCH better.
Jebus. Really?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:52 PM   #104
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You are a damn idiot.

Our offensive line/play calling still has WAY too many running plays where the blocking breaks down.

Anytime a player gets negative or no gain you can usually pin that on the offensive line.
^this man speaks the truth.

You should make one of those analytical posts on Moreno's game to show he actually, in fact, played better than his stats show.

The OL was very poor tonight, in both pass protection and run blocking.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:54 PM   #105
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and if McGahee was healthy Moreno would be back working on the Scout Team.
So are we lucky McGahee got hurt? You know, since Moreno is averaging more rush yards, reception yards, and much less fumbles.

I think we are better off with Moreno, so far. He is carrying the load better than McGahee had, and fumbling much less, while producing more..hmm
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:55 PM   #106
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I think he played a good game tonight. But I dont think "whoever" needs to eat crow as described by OP. This was one of his best games, but I believe, on 32 carries vs the Raiders with our line he should have done MUCH better.
struggled a lot tonight. Just look how many times KM was blown in the backfield.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:56 PM   #107
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and if McGahee was healthy Moreno would be back working on the Scout Team.

Had McGahee not gotten injured....I agree Moreno probably never sees the field this year. But now that McGahee is injured, and basically showing he can be a workhorse 20+ carry RB...I don't think Moreno relinquishes the starting RB gig if/when McGahee returns.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:57 PM   #108
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So are we lucky McGahee got hurt? You know, since Moreno is averaging more rush yards, reception yards, and much less fumbles.

I think we are better off with Moreno, so far. He is carrying the load better than McGahee had, and fumbling much less, while producing more..hmm
I'd say it's a lateral move except for the lack of fumbles. Moreno's ball security has been great, and that might be the thing we need most from our run game.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:01 PM   #109
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So are we lucky McGahee got hurt? You know, since Moreno is averaging more rush yards, reception yards, and much less fumbles.

I think we are better off with Moreno, so far. He is carrying the load better than McGahee had, and fumbling much less, while producing more..hmm
Really, McGahee has twice as many carries as moreno and his average is 4.4 compared to Moreno's 3.6.

Compare that on a 300 carry season McGahee would get 1,320 yards while Moreno would pull in only 1,080. But go ahead and make up whatever story you want it is your post.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:04 PM   #110
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This is a great thread to see who knows football and who doesn't yet.

People who know what they are seeing applaud Moreno's game tonight.

Those that do not diss him.


He wasn't Barry Sanders but he was pretty damn good.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:08 PM   #111
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Really, McGahee has twice as many carries as moreno and his average is 4.4 compared to Moreno's 3.6.

Compare that on a 300 carry season McGahee would get 1,320 yards while Moreno would pull in only 1,080. But go ahead and make up whatever story you want it is your post.
Stop ****ing obsessing over YPC. It's making you look stupid.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:10 PM   #112
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I was amazed his shoe didn't come off. It's the first game ever.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:11 PM   #113
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Really, McGahee has twice as many carries as moreno and his average is 4.4 compared to Moreno's 3.6.

Compare that on a 300 carry season McGahee would get 1,320 yards while Moreno would pull in only 1,080. But go ahead and make up whatever story you want it is your post.
Moreno's is 3.8 in his starts. McGahee also averages a fumble every 33 carries, compared to Moreno's fumble every 80 carries.

Compare that on a 300 carry season McGahee would fumble 9 times while Moreno would cough it up only 3 times. But go ahead and discount the importance of a RB with good ball security.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:13 PM   #114
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I was amazed his shoe didn't come off. It's the first game ever.
You gotta be well taped-up around Raider pukes
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:20 PM   #115
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I predicted that we would be singing his praises about now and while he wasnt an allstar tonight, he had a very good game. AND HE DIDNT LOSE A SHOE! holy ****.

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:21 PM   #116
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Stop ****ing obsessing over YPC. It's making you look stupid.
I agree. There were still a few plays tonight where the play was getting blown up in the backfield (mostly ManRam and a few Koppen). You cant expect him to get out out those.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:29 PM   #117
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This is a great thread to see who knows football and who doesn't yet.

People who know what they are seeing applaud Moreno's game tonight.

Those that do not diss him.


He wasn't Barry Sanders but he was pretty damn good.
Yeah. Thats it. Or, Moreno didnt look much better than a average running
back tonight. I think you guys are just impressed because this was one of his best games running, but thats not saying much. The Raiders run defense is awful.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:29 PM   #118
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it was a great effort. i think the dude gained alot of respect back in the locker room he may have lost after his early season struggles.

i really wish they had a guy that could come in and pound the rock, run heavy legged, for a few carries a game. short yardage and goal line is still concerning.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:31 PM   #119
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it was a great effort. i think the dude gained alot of respect back in the locker room he may have lost after his early season struggles.

i really wish they had a guy that could come in and pound the rock, run heavy legged, for a few carries a game. short yardage and goal line is still concerning.
I think that is why they picked up Jacob Hester
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Yeah. Thats it. Or, Moreno didnt look much better than a average running
back tonight. I think you guys are just impressed because this was one of his best games running, but thats not saying much. The Raiders run defense is awful.
No, that's it.

You sound like one of those people who think the only thing a running play involves is a running back.

I know you just had to read that sentence twice because you thought it was true.

Only team fans would say a player played average after gaining 168 offensive of yards.
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Those who keep obsessing over 3.7 ypc and taking it at face value... do you really think he would have gotten 32 carries if he was literally getting 3.7 yards per carry?
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:42 PM   #122
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^this man speaks the truth.

You should make one of those analytical posts on Moreno's game to show he actually, in fact, played better than his stats show.

The OL was very poor tonight, in both pass protection and run blocking.
Good idea, I would have to make a thread that showed the break down of all his runs under like 2 yards.
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Oh yeah, and those people who are obsessing over the fact that Raiders run defense is so horrible he should have gotten way more... let's see if there are any running backs or teams that have performed worse than Moreno in terms of YPC against the Raiders

Ray Rice 13 carries 2.7 YPC
Trent Richardson 20 carries 3.6 YPC
Jamaal Charles 5 carries 0.8 YPC
San Diego as a team 20 carries for 1.6 YPC
Rashad Jennings 21 carries for 2.1 YPC
Michael Turner 11 carres for 3.0 YPC
Steelers as a team 20 carries for 2.7 YPC

YPC! The tell all stat!
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:55 PM   #124
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I was gonna say, do people actually know the Raiders run D is abysmal or do they just assume it? A fair assumption, to be sure, but maybe check it out before bagging on Knowshon's 170 yards
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:44 PM   #125
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I was amazed his shoe didn't come off. It's the first game ever.
Yeah, I was shocked also.


Let me say to those who are trying to say Moreno's game tonight was nothing great. That on 32 carries he should have had more, or that his YPC is not high enough. Do you people actually watch the games. On almost every carry that he did not gain good yards, there was either a break down on OL assignment or an OLmen got flat out beat, like Manram did when he came off the line slightly to the right and the defender crossfaced him and went straight inside and nailed Moreno for a loss. You can't just look at stats people. You have to watch the game and break it down.

What I saw from Moreno tonight was this:

* I saw a conscious effort to get the 1st down when he saw he was close, rather then try to bounce outside for hopes of a big gain. He kept the chains moving.

* Protected the ball well

* Ran with pretty good vision and feel tonight

* Ran physical, not trying to avoid or juke too much, got the tough yards.

* Blocked pretty well and caught the ball well too

Nobody is trying to say Moreno is any kind of long term answer or anything like that. We're just trying to state the case, the dude had a damn good game.
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