49% Of Republicans Think That...

[frerottenextelway]

There could be almost any whacked out answer here!

But according to PPP's latest national poll, 49% of Republicans think Obama won because of Acorn's cheating. Acorn, an organization that does not even exist.

[lonestar]

You are a Mullet if you do not think acorn is in business in some manner.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by lonestar

You are a Mullet if you do not think acorn is in business in some manner.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. And I've only seen 2 cases of voter fraud, both by Republicans. Shocking!!! They'll have some nice years behind bars.

[ZONA]

This is probably due to the fact that 49% of Republicans (at least) are old white people who are prejudice in some way or another. It's hard for them to let go of the hard core right wing mentality that guys like Rush and Hannity drill through their skulls every day. Their party is dying fast and being held hostage by the extreme right side. The Republicans who are more moderate have almost no chance to reorganize or diversify when you have the Coch brothers and all their money pushing the hard core tea party values, if you can call them values.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ZONA

This is probably due to the fact that 49% of Republicans (at least) are old white people who are prejudice in some way or another. It's hard for them to let go of the hard core right wing mentality that guys like Rush and Hannity drill through their skulls every day. Their party is dying fast and being held hostage by the extreme right side. The Republicans who are more moderate have almost no chance to reorganize or diversify when you have the Coch brothers and all their money pushing the hard core tea party values, if you can call them values.

So soros is a better alternative.

If you have not noticed this all goes in cycles. It will reverse after the far left screws it beyond belief last time it was carter, with gas prices through the roof, prime rate at 20%, losing our Emabassy in Tehran with diplomatic hostages, just to mention a few things.

The undecideds make the call anyway, so it is a matter of time before they get disgusted with your ideas and failures.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by lonestar

So soros is a better alternative.

If you have not noticed this all goes in cycles. It will reverse after the far left screws it beyond belief last time it was carter, with gas prices through the roof, prime rate at 20%, losing our Emabassy in Tehran with diplomatic hostages, just to mention a few things.

The undecideds make the call anyway, so it is a matter of time before they get disgusted with your ideas and failures.

First, there is no equivalence between Soros and those mentioned in the post you were responding to.

Second, the things you mention in your 2nd failure of a paragraph have nothing to do with the "far left".

Third, millenials are strongly against the current GOP agenda. Couple that with the Latino vote and the growth of that demographic and the GOP either needs to adapt or die.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by ZONA

This is probably due to the fact that 49% of Republicans (at least) are old white people who are prejudice in some way or another. It's hard for them to let go of the hard core right wing mentality that guys like Rush and Hannity drill through their skulls every day. Their party is dying fast and being held hostage by the extreme right side. The Republicans who are more moderate have almost no chance to reorganize or diversify when you have the Coch brothers and all their money pushing the hard core tea party values, if you can call them values.

Yup.

...in general, the poll confirms the durable minority Karl Rove and Roger Ailes have successfully created: paranoid, delusional, all-white, older, intransigent, and anti-American. Yes, 44 percent of Republicans either want their state to secede from the US or aren't sure whether it should. The good news is that the ranks of Republicans are thinning. The bad news is that these fanatics control one party which can hold the entire country and world to ransom.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ing-noise.html

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by ZONA

Their party is dying fast and being held hostage by the extreme right side.

So you're saying the Republican party is being held hostage by the extreme right. What is the extreme right? What do they stand for, what are their core beliefs?

Originally Posted by ZONA

The Republicans who are more moderate have almost no chance to reorganize or diversify when you have the Coch brothers and all their money pushing the hard core tea party values, if you can call them values.

Im guessing you ment the Koch bros, who have been pumping money into the Republican party, but have been doing it long before the Dick Armey "tea-party" wing came to be. Maybe you didnt know that the Koch bros have been around long before the Dick Armey "tea-party' came to be?

What defines a Republican? Is a Republican an authoritarian, slimy, corrupt, interventionist, pile of sh*t like Nixon? Or is a Republican a defender of liberty, individual freedom, and non-interventionist foreign policy like Goldwater? And to you which one of these guys is "radical-right"?

[Arkie]

There is nothing cyclical about our debt. It has pretty much been a continual increase. Not just at a flat rate, but exponentially. The only things in nature that are comparable are cancer and parasites. They grow exponentially too until the host is gone.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So you're saying the Republican party is being held hostage by the extreme right. What is the extreme right? What do they stand for, what are their core beliefs?




Im guessing you ment the Koch bros, who have been pumping money into the Republican party, but have been doing it long before the Dick Armey "tea-party" wing came to be. Maybe you didnt know that the Koch bros have been around long before the Dick Armey "tea-party' came to be?

What defines a Republican? Is a Republican an authoritarian, slimy, corrupt, interventionist, pile of sh*t like Nixon? Or is a Republican a defender of liberty, individual freedom, and non-interventionist foreign policy like Goldwater? And to you which one of these guys is "radical-right"?

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So you're saying the Republican party is being held hostage by the extreme right. What is the extreme right? What do they stand for, what are their core beliefs?

All but a handful of republicans have been coerced into signing a pledge that stipulates that under no circumstance will they accept tax increases.

To rephrase: almost the entire GOP has been forced into adopting an extreme right concept in writing.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg. For instance, Gov. Christie found out the hard way that even cooperating with a Democrat during an emergency is simply. not. acceptable. to the GOP base.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

So whats your point? Is Goldwater the "extreme-right"?

I'm trying to get a Liberal to come in here and explain what a "extreme right" cantidate is. Cause so far what I see, is a bunch of Liberals with their heads shoved as far up their asses as the GOP.

Was Bush a "extreme right" cantidate? No, he was a ****ing moderate. So Liberals, pull your ****ing heads out and tell me what an "extreme right" Republican is. As far as I can tell, the most hated Republican in the history of the USA by Liberals was Bush, who was a moderate.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

All but a handful of republicans have been coerced into signing a pledge that stipulates that under no circumstance will they accept tax increases.

To rephrase: almost the entire GOP has been forced into adopting an extreme right concept in writing.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg. For instance, Gov. Christie found out the hard way that even cooperating with a Democrat during an emergency is simply. not. acceptable. to the GOP base.

So what exactly is an "extreme right" republican? Someone who signs that pledge, is that what makes an "extreme right" Republican, thats your definition?

[W*GS]

Obushma is an extreme rightist who denies being one.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So what exactly is an "extreme right" republican? Someone who signs that pledge, is that what makes an "extreme right" Republican, thats your definition?

Try reading the exchange again.. this time work on reading comprehension.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So what exactly is an "extreme right" republican? Someone who signs that pledge, is that what makes an "extreme right" Republican, thats your definition?

First off, there is an extreme right.....and an extreme left. But it does involve a bit of opinion. There is no line.

But we can start with that "pledge". Why should any candidate be held to some pledge? There is no "pledge" being forced on any democrat candidate.

Extreme right IMO would be:

Anybody who believes a woman should be prosecuted for an abortion. Nobody can "prove" God does exist and if or when a soul goes into an embryo. It's faith based. If there was evidence of a soul in an embryo then I could see the point. But there isn't so that's that.

Anybody who thinks the regulations on Wallstreet after the crash were too strict. It's been proven over and over and over again. When there are lose rules on Wallstreet, their greed takes over and they do things to favor the few rich while hurting most middle class and poor. I'm not in favor of over regulation but cmon, some of these people talk like there should be no rules at all, that the "market" will solve all problems on it's own, which is total BS.

Anybody who straight up will not sign a jobs bill to help millions of Americans (during the worst financial era in the past 60 years) get a job, all to prevent somebody from becoming president.

Anybody who want's to go to war on a credit card, while not taxing the rich at the same rate as every other american, or wanting more tax loop holes for corporations. Let's face the facts here. Bush went to war on a lie of WMD's, to secure contracts for his wealthy friends.


That said, I think Romney was not extreme right. I think, obviously he's forced to take that pledge to even be considered to be the candidate. I think he was forced right on many positions to appease the base. I think he was more central on many issues such as health care, tax loop holes. Even medicare. But his running mate and his base wanted vouches so he went with that. I think had Romney run as an independent you would have saw a much different guy. There was a reason why so many people said he flipped flopped on so many different things. Because that's not who he was. He was forced to the far right on those things. Still think Obama was the better choice anyway but there you go.

If you want a name, you can start with Rush. He's about as hard core extreme right as they come.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So whats your point? Is Goldwater the "extreme-right"?

I'm trying to get a Liberal to come in here and explain what a "extreme right" cantidate is. Cause so far what I see, is a bunch of Liberals with their heads shoved as far up their asses as the GOP.

Was Bush a "extreme right" cantidate? No, he was a ****ing moderate. So Liberals, pull your ****ing heads out and tell me what an "extreme right" Republican is. As far as I can tell, the most hated Republican in the history of the USA by Liberals was Bush, who was a moderate.

He's describing the extreme right. You don't recognize them?

[Rohirrim]

One thing I know the Republicans don't believe in, and that's democracy. We just had an election. They ran their platform in front of the people for a year. They made their argument. The people rejected it. Now, they don't give a ****. They're going to do all they can to block the will of the people from being implemented.

[bowtown]

Originally Posted by lonestar

You are a Mullet if you do not think acorn is in business in some manner.

Of course. One time you saw a Mexican dishwasher in town with an Obama bumper sticker. Therefore Acorn and rampant Liberal voter fraud are facts.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

One thing I know the Republicans don't believe in, and that's democracy. We just had an election. They ran their platform in front of the people for a year. They made their argument. The people rejected it. Now, they don't give a ****. They're going to do all they can to block the will of the people from being implemented.

You act like there was a clear mandate were you won big and have all the government in your pocket.

Nobama won a bare majority and the real government in the law making portion remained the same no change whatsoever.

The will of the people?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Obushma

So whats your point? Is Goldwater the "extreme-right"?

I'm trying to get a Liberal to come in here and explain what a "extreme right" cantidate is. Cause so far what I see, is a bunch of Liberals with their heads shoved as far up their asses as the GOP.

Was Bush a "extreme right" cantidate? No, he was a ****ing moderate. So Liberals, pull your ****ing heads out and tell me what an "extreme right" Republican is. As far as I can tell, the most hated Republican in the history of the USA by Liberals was Bush, who was a moderate.

You hit it out of the park but for most of these hard core anyone to the right of Nobama is a Goldwater republican..

The fear of anything less than big government taking care of them is mind boggling.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Obushma is an extreme rightist who denies being one.

Wigssy, I remember when you were sucking Bush's dick...wasn't that long ago....then 09 hit and you jumped onto the Obama bandwagon.

At first I was thinking it was strange, both spoke completely different philosophies. As everyone can see, when it comes to action, they're exactly the same. The thing is, you're one of the few people whos been consistent in their positions on this board...even if it is voting for the banker backed, crooked, slimeballs.

Originally Posted by ZONA

First off, there is an extreme right.....and an extreme left. But it does involve a bit of opinion. There is no line.

Exactly, which is why i'm trying to understand what the Democrats on this board define as "extreme-right". I've heard every single philosophy of Rebublicanism (NeoCon's, SoCon's, FiscalCons, Libertarians, etc) discussed on this board as extreme right. So i'm trying to understand if Democrats on this board even know what they're talking about when they say "extreme right". Each philosophy that represents the Republican party as a whole, has different beliefs, those beliefs are not similar.

Originally Posted by ZONA

But we can start with that "pledge". Why should any candidate be held to some pledge? There is no "pledge" being forced on any democrat candidate.

I think you're talking about Grover Norquist's pledge. While I don't like the mans philosophy, I also dont like paying for the debt burden that the government the generation before me left. While I disagree with Federal Income Tax, I'd be willing to raise it, if, and only if, the government brought all the troops home from around the world, closed all foreign bases. That right there would save just under a trillion dollars a year. Then they'd have to hit entitlement spending, I don't care what you have to cut, but you cut 500 billion. Then i'd be willing to give those greedy bastards in Washington some more of my money, but not now, not when they're paying off the bankers all the while turning the dollar to toilet paper. They dont deserve to waste another ****ing dime of my money, that I earned, though my own labor.

Originally Posted by ZONA

Extreme right IMO would be:

Anybody who believes a woman should be prosecuted for an abortion. Nobody can "prove" God does exist and if or when a soul goes into an embryo. It's faith based. If there was evidence of a soul in an embryo then I could see the point. But there isn't so that's that.

I agree with you, while i'm personally pro life, I dont believe the federal government has the right to determine a state rights issue. As far as the philosophy, i'd guess that person you are describing is a SoCon.

Originally Posted by ZONA

Anybody who thinks the regulations on Wallstreet after the crash were too strict. It's been proven over and over and over again. When there are lose rules on Wallstreet, their greed takes over and they do things to favor the few rich while hurting most middle class and poor. I'm not in favor of over regulation but cmon, some of these people talk like there should be no rules at all, that the "market" will solve all problems on it's own, which is total BS.

This is one area where Democrats make no sense. What regulations that were put on Wall St? Are you talking about the derivative trading scam that they put to a stop after it had already blew up? Then after that, they took a trillion from the taxpayer and gave it right back to the bankers. You know, the QE1 that all the Democrats and a bunch of Republicans said had to be done or the economy would fail.

When something is illegal, it doesnt need to be regulated, it needs to be enforced. Basically the government put in a bunch of loopholes for people to jump through and now they're back to derivative trading.

So I ask you, why not be pissed that the government took your money and paid the same bankers who ****ed up playing the derivative game?

Originally Posted by ZONA

Anybody who straight up will not sign a jobs bill to help millions of Americans (during the worst financial era in the past 60 years) get a job, all to prevent somebody from becoming president.

I'll be honest, i'm not familiar with the jobs bill. I'm willing to guess it's most likely a spending bill that will increase debt, i'm not sure. I can almost guarantee you there is something on the back end of that bill. Otherwise sure, sign a bill that says more Americans can have jobs, sounds good...just no more spending.

Originally Posted by ZONA

Anybody who want's to go to war on a credit card, while not taxing the rich at the same rate as every other american, or wanting more tax loop holes for corporations. Let's face the facts here. Bush went to war on a lie of WMD's, to secure contracts for his wealthy friends.

So you're ok with going to war as long as the rich are paying for it? Are you upset that Obama is doing drone bombing on a credit card? What you seem to be describing that Bush did, America has been doing for over half a decade, it's called McCarthyism, and it plagues both the Democrat and Republican party.

Originally Posted by ZONA

That said, I think Romney was not extreme right. I think, obviously he's forced to take that pledge to even be considered to be the candidate. I think he was forced right on many positions to appease the base. I think he was more central on many issues such as health care, tax loop holes. Even medicare. But his running mate and his base wanted vouches so he went with that. I think had Romney run as an independent you would have saw a much different guy. There was a reason why so many people said he flipped flopped on so many different things. Because that's not who he was. He was forced to the far right on those things. Still think Obama was the better choice anyway but there you go..

Romney had no chance, the GOP is in shambles, but yes, Romney is a moderate.

Originally Posted by ZONA

If you want a name, you can start with Rush. He's about as hard core extreme right as they come.

Yeah see, this is where there is more confusion. So if you define "Rush" as "extreme right". Rush is a NeoCon lap dog, and the NeoCons have been in control of the party for almost 40 years. So you see people like Bush as "extreme right"?

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

He's describing the extreme right. You don't recognize them?

Oh, I recognize them. I just dont think Democrats on this board do. As a matter of fact, I think they'd be suprised with as much as they have in common with the Democrat party. Social issues are nice and dandy, it's how Americans define politics these days.

Originally Posted by lonestar

You hit it out of the park but for most of these hard core anyone to the right of Nobama is a Goldwater republican..

The fear of anything less than big government taking care of them is mind boggling.

Too bad the Republican party had another Goldwater and ****ed him. I'm a registered Republican and the GOP can kiss my ass. They better put up a Goldwater cantidate in 2016, otherwise, they'll loose again and my vote will be going third party again.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by lonestar

You act like there was a clear mandate were you won big and have all the government in your pocket.

Nobama won a bare majority and the real government in the law making portion remained the same no change whatsoever.

The will of the people?

You just proved my point. The position of the Republicans is, "If we don't win, it doesn't count." Republicans lost across the board. Their presidential candidate was smashed and they lost ground in both houses. Instead of responding to the clear wishes of the people, as reflected in an open election, and accepting the results with good grace, they go right back to obstruction. That is anti-democracy.

In fact, the refusal of Republicans to play by the rules means the downfall of this Republic. Once one party ignores the results of an election, on its face, that means democracy is done.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You just proved my point. The position of the Republicans is, "If we don't win, it doesn't count." Republicans lost across the board. Their presidential candidate was smashed and they lost ground in both houses. Instead of responding to the clear wishes of the people, as reflected in an open election, and accepting the results with good grace, they go right back to obstruction. That is anti-democracy.

In fact, the refusal of Republicans to play by the rules means the downfall of this Republic. Once one party ignores the results of an election, on its face, that means democracy is done.

Baaaaahahahaha. The 2004 Republican Party called. It would like you to call 2004 Harry Reid.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Baaaaahahahaha. The 2004 Republican Party called. It would like you to call 2004 Harry Reid.

Was thinking much the same thing.

Now the GOP play the same GAME the dumocratics have done for anytime they have been out of total control.

Only way not to wind up a soviet satellite.

Or in today's terms the next state in the EU.