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Old 12-03-2012, 02:43 PM   #26
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Manning is taking away the possibility of a turnover via interception, strip sack, etc. He is being conservative and allowing the special teams/defense do what they do. I hate the call but its the right call.
Yeah, me too and I agree.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:53 PM   #27
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I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of letting teams creep back in and it coming down to an onsides kick.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:55 PM   #28
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At least its not obvious like last year so the hell with it
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:07 PM   #29
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i only like running on third and long if it's a lateral or draw play that's well blocked.
in most cases it doesn't work and you could have called something beyond the sticks(which btw annoys the crap out of me when they run plays 4-5 yards underneath the first down marker and expect the receiver to make a defender miss.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:24 PM   #30
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The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.
I do not understand the op when everyone knows Fox is not calling offensive plays. At worst it was a call in from Mc Coy, but we all know that Manning saw what he saw and called the play at the LOS.

Now had that happened between 2-6 years ago you could blame the HC.

But not now.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:57 PM   #31
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Peyton read a quarter 3 deep coverage and checked down to a Hillman draw... we had a better chance at picking up the first on the draw than passing against a coverage like that.

I called it right before it happened. I was like "watch, this should be a draw."
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:18 PM   #32
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It was the right call - Peyton understands what kind of defense Denver has. In pure passing situations we are probably the best in the NFL right now - play to your strength.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #33
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What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.
It really pisses me off when a white RB picks up a first down when they were playing for a punt on 3rd and really long.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:40 PM   #34
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They got within 8 points with under 2 minutes and no timeouts left in the game. How many times do teams throw a costly pick or fumble theball late in the game? What they are doing is working.
Teams that don't have Peyton Manning. The Lions played conservatively with the lead just like the Broncos did, except they ended up losing. All I want is to keep attacking, don't let up on the gas pedal.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:56 PM   #35
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Teams that don't have Peyton Manning. The Lions played conservatively with the lead just like the Broncos did, except they ended up losing. All I want is to keep attacking, don't let up on the gas pedal.
When we called 3 straight running plays forcing them to call all their timeouts. I wish they would have tried passing for another first not allowing them to get the ball back. In the end we won but the score should have never been that close.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:16 PM   #36
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When we called 3 straight running plays forcing them to call all their timeouts. I wish they would have tried passing for another first not allowing them to get the ball back. In the end we won but the score should have never been that close.
So how many more wins would Denver have gotten if they had won by more points?
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:28 PM   #37
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Fox is a defensive coach. He trusts his defense to close games.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:38 PM   #38
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I'm pretty sure everyone and their mother knows that the score was a lot closer than the game actually was. Even the post-game crew commented that the Broncos dominated, and the score did not justify our performance. I still never felt threatened that the Bucs were going to win - even when we went into the half losing 10-7. Manning effect ftw.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #39
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Hated it with a passion last year. This year I'm honestly at a point that I'm more mystified than angry. It at least made some sense with Tebow, but with Manning? WTF?
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So how many more wins would Denver have gotten if they had won by more points?
Just saying to not even give them a chance at an onside by going for the kill. As long as it doesn't bite us in the ass it doesn't matter.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:03 AM   #41
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I do not understand the op when everyone knows Fox is not calling offensive plays. At worst it was a call in from Mc Coy, but we all know that Manning saw what he saw and called the play at the LOS.

Now had that happened between 2-6 years ago you could blame the HC.

But not now.
So Fox just sits on the sidelines and has no say in any of the play calling? Sounds like a sweet gig!
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:04 AM   #42
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It really pisses me off when a white RB picks up a first down when they were playing for a punt on 3rd and really long.
Well I can agree with that.
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So Fox just sits on the sidelines and has no say in any of the play calling? Sounds like a sweet gig!
When you have a HOF QB on the field that can make instant decisions on what he sees, something that Fox and frankly 30 other HCs do not have, he places the general flow of the game into his and the OC hands.

We all know that Fox is a run first very conservative coach that errors on the side of caution, believes in TOP, his defense and field position. This call would have been right up his alley.

Had we been behind at the time then it is another whole conversation.

Myself I'm the kind of guy that wants to step on their throat and win by 40, so saying what just posted goes against my wishes, but was the right thing to do given the situation had the blocking been there it should have been a really good gain.

That is a whole different story.
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When you have a HOF QB on the field that can make instant decisions on what he sees, something that Fox and frankly 30 other HCs do not have, he places the general flow of the game into his and the OC hands.

We all know that Fox is a run first very conservative coach that errors on the side of caution, believes in TOP, his defense and field position. This call would have been right up his alley.

Had we been behind at the time then it is another whole conversation.

Myself I'm the kind of guy that wants to step on their throat and win by 40, so saying what just posted goes against my wishes, but was the right thing to do given the situation had the blocking been there it should have been a really good gain.

That is a whole different story.
If the blocking is there every single running play should be a really good gain
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