Ok, so let's analyze this one - The Orange Mane

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 09:47 AM

Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze.

It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB.

Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

Requiem · 12-03-2012, 09:49 AM

Those guys are losers for doing it.

Rohirrim · 12-03-2012, 09:53 AM

No class organization and coach.

55CrushEm · 12-03-2012, 09:55 AM

We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 09:57 AM

I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."

edog24 · 12-03-2012, 09:58 AM

I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going.

Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.

canadianbroncosfan · 12-03-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

No class organization and coach.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1228005.ece

I wouldn't say "No class"

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 10:00 AM

Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 10:01 AM

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

Those ****ers knew if they touched Manning, they would be dismembered and drug through the streets of Denver.

enjolras · 12-03-2012, 10:05 AM

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

Bronco Boy · 12-03-2012, 10:06 AM

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Beantown Bronco · 12-03-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

gyldenlove · 12-03-2012, 10:09 AM

I would try a fake kneel down to see if I could get a cheap TD if they did it more than once.

Bronco Boy · 12-03-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

I don't think execution is the discussion here.

Chris · 12-03-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

ColoradoDarin · 12-03-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

I love Moreno on this play!

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 10:12 AM

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.

One of their Dlineman is going to get hurt. Then what are they going to say.

ludo21 · 12-03-2012, 10:13 AM

i dont mind the attempt whatsoever, small small chance of working, but you gotta try.. you never know

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

I've never seen it done other than TB.

Beantown Bronco · 12-03-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

I don't think execution is the discussion here.

It's prominently featured in the OP, and in more than one reply.

Crushaholic · 12-03-2012, 10:15 AM

This became funny, when I realized that Manning kept the ball. You had all these Buc players trying to strip a non-existing ball...

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

i dont mind the attempt whatsoever, small small chance of working, but you gotta try.. you never know

I think they need to concentrate more on how to prevent victory formations from happening, instead of how to blow up a victory formation.

12-03-2012, 09:47 AM	#1
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Ok, so let's analyze this one Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze. It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB. Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

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12-03-2012, 09:49 AM	#2
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,541 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Those guys are losers for doing it.

12-03-2012, 09:53 AM	#3
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,814	No class organization and coach.

12-03-2012, 09:55 AM	#4
55CrushEm Wolverine or Superman? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,591 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Squid"Quan	We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.

12-03-2012, 09:57 AM	#5
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,159	I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."

12-03-2012, 09:58 AM	#6
edog24 Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 745	I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going. Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.

12-03-2012, 10:00 AM	#8
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball? Douches.

12-03-2012, 10:01 AM	#9
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,159	Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

12-03-2012, 10:05 AM	#11
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,940	I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

12-03-2012, 10:06 AM	#12
Bronco Boy Avid Ambien Abuser It all makes so much sense! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

12-03-2012, 10:09 AM	#14
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,020 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	I would try a fake kneel down to see if I could get a cheap TD if they did it more than once.

12-03-2012, 10:12 AM	#19
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

12-03-2012, 10:13 AM	#21
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	i dont mind the attempt whatsoever, small small chance of working, but you gotta try.. you never know

12-03-2012, 10:15 AM	#24
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,041	This became funny, when I realized that Manning kept the ball. You had all these Buc players trying to strip a non-existing ball...