Raiders - what could have been

[gunns]

If you want to see picks, decisions, etc that made the Raiders or the Broncos go back to when Elway almost went to the Raiders. Instead the Broncos got him and now he is back to make us a competitive organization again. For the Raiders, it all came down to Al Davis and his piss poor, egomaniac decisions. Who knows, they might become more competitive now that he is gone.

[Bronco X]

Would Aaron Rodgers be the Aaron Rodgers we know now if the Raiders drafted him? He sat three years and studied the pro game. He'd probably have started as a rookie with the Raiders.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.

Wow! Talk about a record of ineptitude!

[Tim]

The ultimate joke of the faid was them trading gruden to the bucs then he won a Super Bowl and the faid have been bottom feeders for a decade

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by CBF1

I went from loving the original post to now hating it after reading Fontaine's damn rebuttal.

Yeah and you were a superfan defender of that piece of **** too, rep bombing anyone that was critical of his incompetence.

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.

Well, if they would have gotten Fitzgerald then they would not have drafted that early the next year so the theory goes out the window. But it does show you repeated misses over and over. Funny ****!!

[Bacchus]

WHat this thread is really saying is that you want to be picking right after the Raiders!!

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Well McDaniels did try smart and tough. . . . .

2009
12 Knowshon Moreno Broncos RB Georgia
13 Brian Orakpo Redskins LB Texas

18 Robert Ayers Broncos DE Tennessee
22 Percy Harvin Vikings WR Florida
26 Clay Matthews Packers LB USC

37 Alphonso Smith Broncos DB Wake Forest
42 Jairus Byrd Bills DB Oregon

48 Darcel McBath Broncos DB Texas Tech
53 LeSean McCoy Eagles RB Pittsburgh

64 Richard Quinn Broncos TE North Carolina
65 Shonn Greene Jets RB Iowa

2010
25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida
42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots TE Arizona

2009 - First at Bat: Ball one, fouls off pitch, swing and a miss, swing and a miss, swing and a miss
2010 - Second at Bat: Called first strike, argues call, ejected from game.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Bronco X

Would Aaron Rodgers be the Aaron Rodgers we know now if the Raiders drafted him? He sat three years and studied the pro game. He'd probably have started as a rookie with the Raiders.

If he would have had Larry Fitzgerald to throw to, who knows...

[broncosteven]

I just hope kFc's next draft is just like the above!

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Tim

The ultimate joke of the faid was them trading gruden to the bucs then he won a Super Bowl and the faid have been bottom feeders for a decade

Sure is, since it was the very same year of the trade, and they beat OAK in the Super Bowl. That was a mind-boggling trade for Tampa to make, though.

OAK got 2 1sts and 2 seconds for Gruden. And drafted Phillip Buchanon, Langston Walker, Tyler Brayton, and Jake Grove.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

ahhh make it go away ,make it go away the Al Davis ZOMBIE SCARES ME
i apologize i shouldn't make jokes about poor al davis but i just had to .
RIP you crotchety old bastard you was the raiders DARTH VADER to our John Elway Denver Broncos Luke Skywalker .

[MagicHef]

Here's Denver's over the same time period:

2004 DJ Williams -> Will Smith
2005 No 1st, 2nd was: Darrent Williams -> Justin Miller
2006 Jay Cutler -> Haloti Ngata
2007 Jarvis Moss -> Leon Hall
2008 Ryan Clady -> Jonathan Stewart
2009 Knowshon Moreno -> Brian Orakpo
Robert Ayers -> Jeremy Maclin
2010 Demaryius Thomas -> Brian Bulaga
Tim Tebow -> Dan Williams

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Here's Denver's over the same time period:

2004 DJ Williams -> Will Smith
2005 No 1st, 2nd was: Darrent Williams -> Justin Miller
2006 Jay Cutler -> Haloti Ngata
2007 Jarvis Moss -> Leon Hall
2008 Ryan Clady -> Jonathan Stewart
2009 Knowshon Moreno -> Brian Orakpo
Robert Ayers -> Jeremy Maclin
2010 Demaryius Thomas -> Brian Bulaga
Tim Tebow -> Dan Williams

Touché

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Touché

Meh.

2 obvious wins (Clady and Thomas)
2 obvious losses (Moss and Moreno)

I'm also tempted to include Cutler in obvious win based on positional value.

Compare that with Oakland (no obvious wins and 5 obvious losses).

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Meh.

2 obvious wins (Clady and Thomas)
2 obvious losses (Moss and Moreno)

I'm also tempted to include Cutler in obvious win based on positional value.

Compare that with Oakland (no obvious wins and 5 obvious losses).

Myself I'd rather have taken Nigota over cutlet, whose QBR hovers mid 80's and is currently 81. If his defense and ST over the past few years were not great, I'd guess his numbers would even be lower as he would be forcing the ball more.
NIgota has been consistently good to great.

[Cache Glades]

If Aaron Rodgers were drafted by the Raiders he'd probably be out of the league by now. Those 3 years on the bench behind Favre were invaluable.
Or imagine the 2nd rounder Montana being drafted by the Bucs and having no Rice or Craig or Walsh.
Or imagine Brady going to the Lions. He probably ends up their starter but no way does he have the success he's having now with Belicheck.

Thats what helps Manning's case when you're talking about the Goat IMO. Same with Elway. It just seems like those guys created the system and culture and wernt brought up in it.

[Kaylore]

I agree with Cache Glades. Does Rodgers starting behind that crappy line with Art Shell's tutelage kill his development? There is something to be said for players being put in the right situation. Does Arian Foster get a chance if he doesn't go to a great rushing team with a coach who has seen low round backs blossom?

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

These hindsight threads are normally pretty stupid, but it's hard not to imagine a team with Rodgers, Johnson, Fitzgerald and McFadden tearing it up for a few seasons, then watching it all implode in a way only the Raider organization could accomplish.

Why does your avata fella there have 2 noses?

[canadianbroncosfan]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Well, if they would have gotten Fitzgerald then they would not have drafted that early the next year so the theory goes out the window. But it does show you repeated misses over and over. Funny ****!!

That early? They drafted 23rd in 2005.

[Killericon]

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