Tax hike for wealthy won't kill growth: CBO

[Play2win]

The whole selling monkeys/Goldman Sachs joke can also work for tax cuts for the rich: ie., REAGAN vs. GWB vs. Current Era.

Even with allowing Bush era tax cuts to expire, it is still a raw deal. Pre-Reagan, then we can actually start talking about fair share.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Drunk idiot kicker

The whole selling monkeys/Goldman Sachs joke can also work for tax cuts for the rich: ie., REAGAN vs. GWB vs. Current Era.

Even with allowing Bush era tax cuts to expire, it is still a raw deal. Pre-Reagan, then we can actually start talking about fair share.

FTW.

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[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

I would love to see what this looked like or what it really affected.

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[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

FTW.

So your comparing stocking shelves to building cars? This is why you make no sense, ever.

[cutthemdown]

Ford offered more to entice the best and brightest to come build cars. It took skill and brains that Walmart doesn't take. Thats why at the time you were better off going to build cars then working in a drug store etc.

Comparing building cars to walmart is a joke.

[cutthemdown]

Icelands standard of living is now lower then before and they have trouble getting any loans. In 10 yrs there growth won't keep up with the rest of the EU.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Ford offered more to entice the best and brightest to come build cars. It took skill and brains that Walmart doesn't take. Thats why at the time you were better off going to build cars then working in a drug store etc.

Comparing building cars to walmart is a joke.

Have you ever been on an assembly line? Are you even aware of how an assembly line works? Apparently not.

It takes WAY more skill to stock shelves than it does to work on an assembly line, doing the same ONE task, over and over, for 8 hours.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Have you ever been on an assembly line? Are you even aware of how an assembly line works? Apparently not.

It takes WAY more skill to stock shelves than it does to work on an assembly line, doing the same ONE task, over and over, for 8 hours.

whatever. Go tell that to the guys building cars.

[BroncoBeavis]

Pretty awesome suddenly these guys want businesses run like Henry Ford did.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7...3441--,00.html

The $5-a-day rate was about half pay and half bonus. The bonus came with character requirements and was enforced by the Socialization Organization. This was a committee that would visit the employees' homes to ensure that they were doing things the "American way." They were supposed to avoid social ills such as gambling and drinking. They were to learn English, and many (primarily the recent immigrants) had to attend classes to become "Americanized." Women were not eligible for the bonus unless they were single and supporting the family. Also, men were not eligible if their wives worked outside the home. Other groups also offered classes to help immigrants and southern blacks adapt to the Detroit area, but none were so prominent as the Ford plan.

The truth is that manufacturing jobs have a ton more value-added than retail. So there's a lot more margin for higher wages. Big-box retail is essentially a commodity business. Price drives everything in retail, so wages will always be as low as feasible.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Pretty awesome suddenly these guys want businesses run like Henry Ford did.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7...3441--,00.html



The truth is that manufacturing jobs have a ton more value-added than retail. So there's a lot more margin for higher wages. Big-box retail is essentially a commodity business. Price drives everything in retail, so wages will always be as low as feasible.

Houghtan thinks its harder to stock shelves then build cars on an assembly line. Why even argue with him anymore lol.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

whatever. Go tell that to the guys building cars.

I was born in Michigan and lived there for over 25 years. I know exactly what goes into building cars, as about half my street growing up worked at either the Olds plant or the GM plant.

Working on an assembly line at an auto plant is one of the most brainless activities there is. You literally do one thing, all day long. You have no clue what you're talking about if you think working on an assembly line takes any brains whatsoever. A stocking job at Wal Mart at least you have to know how to count.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

I was born in Michigan and lived there for over 25 years. I know exactly what goes into building cars, as about half my street growing up worked at either the Olds plant or the GM plant.

Working on an assembly line at an auto plant is one of the most brainless activities there is. You literally do one thing, all day long. You have no clue what you're talking about if you think working on an assembly line takes any brains whatsoever. A stocking job at Wal Mart at least you have to know how to count.

ok. Then we should pay the auto workrs about like walmart.

[cutthemdown]

I'd love to hear Houghtans liberal buddies on the board chime in on what is a tougher, harder, takes more skill to do job.....working at Walmart or working on the GM assembly line building cars.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So your comparing stocking shelves to building cars? This is why you make no sense, ever.

you just cant help yourself can you ? lol this coming from a guy that compared churches and unions

[Spider]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I'd love to hear Houghtans liberal buddies on the board chime in on what is a tougher, harder, takes more skill to do job.....working at Walmart or working on the GM assembly line building cars.

I deliver to alot of stores like Albertsons or Vons in your neck of the woods wal marts within a 300 mile range of Cheyenne wy ..you do understand that stocking shelves is just 1 part of their job right ?

[Spider]

you know cutt you really shouldnt be looking down your nose at people who work in stores ..They do have a pretty hard job with many duties to preform ....Just cause it isnt glamorous doesnt givevyiu the right to belittle them

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I'd love to hear Houghtans liberal buddies on the board chime in on what is a tougher, harder, takes more skill to do job.....working at Walmart or working on the GM assembly line building cars.

What causes the assembly line to be efficient? Answer that and you will know what I'm talking about, because you certainly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Not surprisingly, you avoid challenging the numbers and go straight for the ad hominem.

Keep on living in your fact and arithmetic-free bubble - you're doing more to help Dems win elections than the Dems themselves.

In politics, you HAVE to read between the lines. This was commissioned by the AFL-CIO. They have a political agenda. This poll is as useless as an NRA-commissioned poll that shows the majority don't want more gun control. I'm not surprised at the results...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

In politics, you HAVE to read between the lines. This was commissioned by the AFL-CIO. They have a political agenda. This poll is as useless as an NRA-commissioned poll that shows the majority don't want more gun control. I'm not surprised at the results...

Once again, you avoid challenging the actual numbers and go straight to "shoot the messenger."

But that's been SOP for the fact-free right for sometime now - and not exactly a winning strategy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

This was commissioned by the AFL-CIO. They have a political agenda.

Look at the graphic again.

Do you really believe this is the only poll that generated results like these?

Bottom line: You can't produce polls of your own that show opposite results, so your only recourse is to attack the messenger.

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Just to give you an idea how completely out of touch with reality Crushaholic and the right really are...

New poll shows Americans favor tax increases on wealthy to avoid fiscal cliff

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-...d-fiscal-cliff

Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...g-the-wealthy/

Here's a poll from one of the right's favorite sources:

Rasmussen Poll: Americans Favor Raising Taxes On The Rich

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/tax-...1/16/id/464441

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Even Republicans Oppose Raising The Medicare Age

By Tara Culp-Ressler on Nov 28, 2012 at 9:00 am




A new ABC News/Washington Post poll reports that the majority of Americans strongly oppose raising the Medicare eligibility age in order to strike a deal to stave off the so-called “fiscal cliff,” and that opposition cuts evenly across party lines.

Researchers found that 68 percent of Republicans are opposed to raising the Medicare age from 65 to 67, compared to just 30 percent of Republicans who support it. In fact, similarly strong majorities of respondents in each political group they sampled — Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and self-identifying liberals and conservatives — are opposed to the policy, regardless of their party affiliation or political leaning. Opposition grows even stronger among older Americans, peaking at 78 percent among adults between the ages of 50 and 64 years old, and also tended to be higher among Americans making less than $100,000 a year.