American Air Boss Speaks Softly, Carries Stick

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Originally Posted by chadta

That explains alot.

I always get a kick out of bad managers who blame everything on the guys who just show up to work and do what they are told.

Auto industry, it was the fault of the guy putting the right wheel on Cadilac Escalades fault that the company was losing money, it had nothing to do with a management decision to make big tanks that nobody wanted and not make little cars. Yup blame the guy putting the wheels on.

You can blame the crappy workers all you want, in some cases it may even be true, who hired them ? They didnt just so up and start work, a good manager can see and pick a good worker.

If you have a clue in the 90 day probation period you can see if the person is going to work out,(if you dont have a 90 day probation period where either party can terminate employment without reason I apologize) if you choose to keep them, you are responsible for whatever they may turn into, you failed, you should have seen it, thats on the manager, not the monkey pushing the broom.

Explains what? that I do not overall like unions..

It is not because of not being able to fire bad employees in my past experience 98% of the time it made it easier and cleaner to get some one that did not do their job..

You are dead on about knowing which folks are going to work out and which are not and usually if your good that happens in the first few days certainly by 90 days..

But there are always a few that either sneak by or go bad after the fact.. Again in my experience those marginal employees are the ones that felt entitled after a relatively good career and just got lazy on the job..


Just like their are bad managers, same thing happens..

but my dislike for unions is IMO they have out lived their usefulness, they do not protect employees from bad management nor do they do again IMHO anything but suck money from those that do work hard.

there are enough federal and state laws the have the employes back protecting them against bad work place environments. Rarely does a union employee have any better benefits than do non union within the same company..

or for that matter more holidays, work hours, OT or DT provisions.. all of those things are covered by LAW enacted decades ago..

YES there was abuse centuries ago but not sure how that affects workers of today.. to many watch dog agencies as well as whistle blowers out there for a management team to do something stupid..

most management of today value the hard working employees.. are there some that do not sure but they will not be in business long anyway and a union will not stop that either.. IMO..

FWIW I was a union member for about ten years before getting into management.. that same union was voted out after I got into management when they figured out they were ineffective.. and a waste of their money..

Now talk to me about teachers unions protecting SOME folks that are not qualified to do Dog training and it is a totally different conversation..

let me say I have loads of respect for Teachers but their NEA and local unions in some areas are killing public respect for most that are great.. a few bad apples are killing them..

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Bondholder Group Says AMR Board Should Go
November 29, 2012


A group of some of bankrupt American Airlines' most significant bondholders said it will not support a standalone restructuring unless a new board is brought in, a move that may increase hurdles for chief executive Tom Horton and his team.

The 12-member bondholder group, which includes JPMorgan Chase, Pentwater Capital Management and York Capital Management, is the primary well-organised group to have expressed an interest in funding an independent exit for the airline's parent company AMR.

AMR filed for bankruptcy in November 2011, seeking to reduce costs.

Entities that gain a controlling equity stake in a company through bankruptcy routinely appoint new boards, and those boards do not necessarily oust the company's incumbent managers.

But AMR's current management team, led by Horton who is also chairman of the board, has lost the confidence of the company's unions, which support a takeover bid by smaller competitor US Airways.

The bondholders, who hold more than USD$700 million in AMR debt, said in the letter to Keith Wilson, president of American's pilots' union, its support for an independent exit was "conditioned, among other things, on that plan providing for the naming of a new board of directors."

It added that the new board would be selected with input from other shareholders.

That could include the pilots' union if the union votes to ratify a proposed contract offering it a 13.5 percent equity stake in the company, which means Horton's future at the company could depend on his ability to convince other shareholders of his team's leadership credentials.

"The board will... be responsible for selecting a management team," the bondholders said in the letter. "We expect the board to share our view that an important criteria for selecting the leader of that team will be a demonstrated ability to maximize shareholder value."

The letter, sent on November 15, was not public, but the Allied Pilots' Association made it available to its 8,000 members on Wednesday and reporters obtained a copy.

A spokesman for AMR declined to comment on Wednesday.

The circulation of the letter may also signal an attempt by the union to nudge its members toward ratifying the new contract proposed by AMR.

Resolving the bitter, years-long dispute between AMR and its pilots is a top priority for the company and its creditors, as AMR tries to convince investors of its long-term stability.

The bondholders' commitment to work cooperatively with shareholders "shows that APA's 13.5 percent equity claim is of critical importance in shaping what the new American Airlines will look like and who will lead it," the union said in a statement circulated to its members along with the letter.

A vote on the proposed contract is set for December 7.

(Reuters)

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1354188475.html

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Being a pilot not the awesome job it used to be.

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The funniest post was the why do the judges get to just void a contract the company signed with the union? Thats not fair! ! What don't people understand about the term bankruptcy?

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Darn bankruptcy laws. If we get rid of those then all da union members get paid! HAHA!

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Being a pilot not the awesome job it used to be.

not the same as it was when Pan Am was flying but they are not over taxed..

• can only work so many days in a row,
• so many hours per day
• so many hours a month..
• they have mandatory rest of 8 hours after they reach their max hours per day.

lots of folks trying to get those airline jobs so not worried about it being job vacancies...

Not like stocking shelves at wal mart..

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The funniest post was the why do the judges get to just void a contract the company signed with the union? Thats not fair! ! What don't people understand about the term bankruptcy?

I can say I have yet to meet a union member that has a clue.. most are high level morons, especially those that really believe that unions can get them more than they could have.... that unions give them job security..

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now here is the height of unions stupidity..

American Flight Attendants To Join Merger Talks
December 21, 2012


The Association of Professional Flight Attendants union, which represents workers at American Airlines, said it had been invited to take part in confidential talks on a potential merger with US Airways.

The union said it signed a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that will permit its involvement in discussions with the two airlines and American's unsecured creditors' committee.

"This non-disclosure agreement gives us further opportunity to affect the potential merger as we engage in direct and confidential discussions with key stakeholders," the flight attendants union said in a communications update.

"We know from previous major mergers that labour discussions like these were critical milestones," the union added. A spokeswoman for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants declined further comment.

American Airlines filed for Chapter 11 protection last year, and US Airways has been pursuing a merger with its larger rival for much of 2012.

Merger discussions among US Airways, AMR and its creditors are at an advanced stage, with a decision on whether to pursue a combination or emerge as an independent company expected as soon as January, people familiar with the matter have said.

Pilot unions at American and US Airways have also joined merger talks with AMR creditors and the companies.

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American's pilots, said this week those talks were aimed at addressing merger-related concerns of both pilot groups and reaching a memorandum of understanding that would serve as an interim agreement while a merger is undertaken. The talks are continuing, an APA spokesman said on Thursday.

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why do I say that..

US Air merged with American West 6 or 7 years or more ago and the two different unions that represent each of the FA groups still has not been able to come to an agreement on how to merge the FAs into one working group..

Which means America West FA fly separately from US Air FAs.. they only work with FA from their former airline.. the seniority lists are separate and bidding for rotations are different.. different work rules apply and America West FAs do not work on USA planes and vice versa..

now another union is going to join this Disney parade..

let me add that within a year of the Delta and North West merger the FA groups were merged together..

of course that was because the NW union was voted out of the work place AND SANITY HAS PREVAILED....\\ ****ing unions..









whihc menad now that