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Old 11-28-2012, 08:43 AM   #101
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Didn't trent dilfer go from super bowl champ to bench or cut? Or am i remembering that incorrectly?
Yeah, I think you're right. But these situations are the exception. And I wouldn't put Jake in the same cellar as Dilhole.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:44 AM   #102
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Thank you for that link and look at why they needed comebacks. Jeez, Plummer was Tebow before Tebow was Tebow!

In only one of those games did the other team score 20 points either! Jake, JAKE!
Haha that is SO true.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:47 AM   #103
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Do not forget the NE peformance at home. He sucked pretty bad that day too. If the Defense and ST's did not acrue 5 TO's against NE we do not even get the lone win he did register in the playoffs. Also, INDY's defense was nothing special in those game either. And Jake threw a pick six to open the scoring for INDY that first year as well.
He didn't really suck. He did enough. A lot of short fields, so not tons of yards. But he didn't **** the bed or anything. Remember, that was back in the day when the Pats still played defense. They usually made PFM look pretty inept back in those days.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:42 AM   #104
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10 comebacks, as a Bronco...just as many, in Arizona...


http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=PlumJa00
Twice as many in Arizona. And the comebacks he registered with us are primarily "one score" comebacks, or "keep pace" comebacks. When I think of a comeback, I think of being down by two scores and managing to "come back" and win.

Here's an example:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0409120den.htm

Being down 23-24 in the third quarter, and then scoring in the 4th to pull ahead and win isn't really what I consider a comeback. That's what most of these "comebacks" are.

More to the point, we couldn't get down two scores with Plummer and expect him to pull the game out. Pressure was too high in that situation.

Just look at his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...7/jake-plummer

On first and second down, he throws close to 60%. On third downs, he doesn't even break 50%. When he's down by one score his QB rating is 111.0. When he's down by two or more, his QB rating was 44.2 - a huge drop off in performance.

I liked Plummer. We came from the same home state. I got a chance to be on the field with him in High School (he killed us - he was a legend in Southern Idaho when he was playing). But he was never able to handle pressure at the pro level - certainly not in the aquarium we call being a Denver Broncos starting QB. He was the right medicine at the time, but he wasn't the guy who was ever going to be able to win a Superbowl.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:02 AM   #105
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Jake was the man, all we did was win in those days. Thought we made the switch too soon to Jay and it all went to hell in a handbasket.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:05 AM   #106
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Just look at his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...7/jake-plummer

On first and second down, he throws close to 60%. On third downs, he doesn't even break 50%. When he's down by one score his QB rating is 111.0. When he's down by two or more, his QB rating was 44.2 - a huge drop off in performance.
Some circular logic in this. QB's often aren't playing well while they're getting their asses kicked. It's chicken and egg.

Look at Peyton this year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...peyton-manning

His worst numbers by far are when down by multiple scores. Does that mean he played worse when "under the pressure" then he would have otherwise? Or does it mean that we get down multiple scores to teams who do a good job containing Peyton Manning?
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:06 AM   #107
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Not to mention, nobody in the NFL ever had as good a porn 'stache as Jake.

He looked like somebody right out of Boogie Nights.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:14 PM   #108
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I'm sure this has already been said, but looking back on Jake's time in Denver, the consensus amongst Bronco fans and around the league was that the Broncos usually won in spite of him because of a great running game and defense. Personally I really liked Jake and his time in Denver was really successful. The only times the Broncos got beat was when they played against marquee QB's like Manning.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:24 PM   #109
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Twice as many in Arizona. And the comebacks he registered with us are primarily "one score" comebacks, or "keep pace" comebacks. When I think of a comeback, I think of being down by two scores and managing to "come back" and win.

Here's an example:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0409120den.htm

Being down 23-24 in the third quarter, and then scoring in the 4th to pull ahead and win isn't really what I consider a comeback. That's what most of these "comebacks" are.

More to the point, we couldn't get down two scores with Plummer and expect him to pull the game out. Pressure was too high in that situation.

Just look at his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...7/jake-plummer

On first and second down, he throws close to 60%. On third downs, he doesn't even break 50%. When he's down by one score his QB rating is 111.0. When he's down by two or more, his QB rating was 44.2 - a huge drop off in performance.
I would love to see more of just what you remember for what is considered a comeback. Many QBs have the same situation considering a comeback. Also, you give us the splits for Plummer on downs situations but what is it with some of his peers? If it is 3rd and 10, good chance we are passing and the defense is playing in a nickel to thwart it. Now on 1st and 10, defenses don't quite know for certain what is coming at them. Play action works well in these situations and QBs should be having a better rating in these situations. I am just smelling more of a hater than actual facts and figures to back this up.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:03 PM   #110
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I would love to see more of just what you remember for what is considered a comeback. Many QBs have the same situation considering a comeback. Also, you give us the splits for Plummer on downs situations but what is it with some of his peers? If it is 3rd and 10, good chance we are passing and the defense is playing in a nickel to thwart it. Now on 1st and 10, defenses don't quite know for certain what is coming at them. Play action works well in these situations and QBs should be having a better rating in these situations. I am just smelling more of a hater than actual facts and figures to back this up.

That's fine with me. I've been through this argument a billion times, and a billion times there is always someone who is willing to say that all of Plummer's problems in dealing with pressure were on everyone else, explain why his multitude of turnovers in playoff games weren't his fault, and praise the guy for not being Brian Griese. Whatever you want to say about circumstantial evidence, Jake Plummer was bad under pressure. The evidence was there for anyone who wanted to see it in the books, but manifested itself in with wide open once he had a young buck behind him and he folded his tent and quit the league.
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