Moreno stepped his game up

[Lestat]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

http://walterfootball.com/pro2009kmoreno.php

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2009&genpos=rb

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...M/MoreKn00.htm

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...orical/1114939

All these places had/have him at 207-217

It's really hard to trust these things....any of them. I mean I doubt any of them have changed (including on the broncos site, or ESPN) since his rookie year...and there is a almost 20lb fluxuation

they(most sport sites) normally change a players weight each season once they report to training camp and get weighed in officially. unless the mother is so big they can't get accurate weight.

[NUB]

I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by NUB

I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.

The Chiefs defense isn't why they are so terrible.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by NUB

I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.

The Chiefs actually have a pretty good line, and a good LB and Safety... their run defense is pretty much their only strength.

They run the ball decent, too. The reason they suck is that they don't have a QB and their abysmal redzone offense.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by NUB

I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.

They did a pretty good job on our run game considering they played 5 and 6 man fronts. When they played 7 and 8 in known running situations they manhandled us.

[Doggcow]

Traded Moreno and MoJo for Damaryius Thomas. I got Mojo for Hillman. Lol.

I don't think Mojo is coming back. So basically I got Damaryius Thomas for a waiver move

[NUB]

I was referencing the fact Moreno has only had solid running days against the Chiefs, by the way.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by NUB

I was referencing the fact Moreno has only had solid running days against the Chiefs, by the way.

Another OMane myth.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Another OMane myth.

Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.

[LRtagger]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Another OMane myth.

Exactly. He has several very good games his rookie year and played a big part in all of our wins that year.

[JakeZ01]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.

All these facts get in the way of my stupidity and knowshon hate. Please stop so I can continue to be a happy moron.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by LRtagger

Exactly. He has several very good games his rookie year and played a big part in all of our wins that year.

Knowshow got zero slack because of the off-field stuff. Early promise followed by little progress, garnished with Saucy DUI goodness just smells like a kid pissing away potential.

Sounds like maybe he learned something from his time in Inactiveland and can get a fresh start. I'll drink to that tonight.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.

Perception's reality round these parts. When Knowshon makes a sweet play (that screen pass he took for a TD against SD last year for example), people here only view it negatively, as if he should make plays like that every play. It comes with a "finally" exclamation. Obviously he's been a disappointment, and he's played far under his talent level, but people need to get their head checked when he's mentioned in the same breath as Lance Ball.

[DENVERDUI55]

Slowshon is a hof player. Rack it.

[Play2win]

really, the only time Moreno has looked good, is when he is catching the ball. Sometimes he looks REAL GOOD catching the ball out of the backfield. Seriously, why not turn him into a primary receiving-only type of back. Pass-Pro + Receiving out of the backfield. Find somebody else to actually run the ball....

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Drunk idiot kicker

Seriously, why not turn him into a primary receiving-only type of back. Pass-Pro + Receiving out of the backfield. Find somebody else to actually run the ball....

So you want to come right out and just tell the defense that you're passing the ball every single time he's in the backfield? Nothing could go wrong there.

[Rabb]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

So you want to come right out and just tell the defense that you're passing the ball every single time he's in the backfield? Nothing could go wrong there.

It's like Tebow, but in reverse!

[NUB]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Another OMane myth.

Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.

If only he could stay healthy...

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by NUB

Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field?

Ummm, what? Forget to take your meds or something?

You're making a COMPLETELY different argument here.

I was responding to the statement that Moreno has only played well against the Chiefs. That statement is flat out wrong and cannot be defended. Sorry.

[Nwp-Apap]

Originally Posted by NUB

Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.

Lol what.

[Lestat]

i wanna see Moreno do some one cut and go tough running on a consistent basis.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by NUB

Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.

Games missed due to injury in the first 2 years as Broncos:
Moreno: 3
Mcgahee: 7

TD per touch ratio:
Moreno: TD every 30.2 touches
Mcgahee: TD every 60.5 touches

As pass catchers only:
Moreno: a TD per 13.5 catches
McGahee: a TD per 40.4 catches

I like Willis, and he is a tough runner, but there are no numbers to back up him being "Vastly superior" when it comes to production for the broncos. All it is is bias.

[Requiem]

Where were the goons who wanted Michael from A&M again? I notice that they vacated the thread as soon as I brought up his history of suckitude.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Where were the goons who wanted Michael from A&M again? I notice that they vacated the thread as soon as I brought up his history of suckitude.

I like Michael as a player....I prefer Cameron Marshall though