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Old 11-27-2012, 04:56 PM   #151
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http://walterfootball.com/pro2009kmoreno.php

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2009&genpos=rb

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...M/MoreKn00.htm

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...orical/1114939

All these places had/have him at 207-217

It's really hard to trust these things....any of them. I mean I doubt any of them have changed (including on the broncos site, or ESPN) since his rookie year...and there is a almost 20lb fluxuation
they(most sport sites) normally change a players weight each season once they report to training camp and get weighed in officially. unless the mother is so big they can't get accurate weight.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:54 PM   #152
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I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:53 PM   #153
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I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.
The Chiefs defense isn't why they are so terrible.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:58 PM   #154
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I want to see him run successfully against a team not named the Chiefs.
The Chiefs actually have a pretty good line, and a good LB and Safety... their run defense is pretty much their only strength.

They run the ball decent, too. The reason they suck is that they don't have a QB and their abysmal redzone offense.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:42 PM   #155
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They did a pretty good job on our run game considering they played 5 and 6 man fronts. When they played 7 and 8 in known running situations they manhandled us.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:32 PM   #156
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Traded Moreno and MoJo for Damaryius Thomas. I got Mojo for Hillman. Lol.

I don't think Mojo is coming back. So basically I got Damaryius Thomas for a waiver move
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I was referencing the fact Moreno has only had solid running days against the Chiefs, by the way.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:19 AM   #158
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I was referencing the fact Moreno has only had solid running days against the Chiefs, by the way.
Another OMane myth.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:51 AM   #159
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Another OMane myth.
Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.
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Another OMane myth.
Exactly. He has several very good games his rookie year and played a big part in all of our wins that year.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:18 AM   #161
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Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.
All these facts get in the way of my stupidity and knowshon hate. Please stop so I can continue to be a happy moron.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:40 AM   #162
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Exactly. He has several very good games his rookie year and played a big part in all of our wins that year.
Knowshow got zero slack because of the off-field stuff. Early promise followed by little progress, garnished with Saucy DUI goodness just smells like a kid pissing away potential.

Sounds like maybe he learned something from his time in Inactiveland and can get a fresh start. I'll drink to that tonight.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:43 AM   #163
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Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.
Perception's reality round these parts. When Knowshon makes a sweet play (that screen pass he took for a TD against SD last year for example), people here only view it negatively, as if he should make plays like that every play. It comes with a "finally" exclamation. Obviously he's been a disappointment, and he's played far under his talent level, but people need to get their head checked when he's mentioned in the same breath as Lance Ball.
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Slowshon is a hof player. Rack it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:07 PM   #165
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really, the only time Moreno has looked good, is when he is catching the ball. Sometimes he looks REAL GOOD catching the ball out of the backfield. Seriously, why not turn him into a primary receiving-only type of back. Pass-Pro + Receiving out of the backfield. Find somebody else to actually run the ball....
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Seriously, why not turn him into a primary receiving-only type of back. Pass-Pro + Receiving out of the backfield. Find somebody else to actually run the ball....
So you want to come right out and just tell the defense that you're passing the ball every single time he's in the backfield? Nothing could go wrong there.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:24 PM   #167
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So you want to come right out and just tell the defense that you're passing the ball every single time he's in the backfield? Nothing could go wrong there.
It's like Tebow, but in reverse!
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Another OMane myth.
Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.
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Indeed, People get stuck on the final yard totals. Hard to have a ton of yards when you've only gotten 20+ carries 8 times in your career. On the other side he has averaged 4+ yards per carry in 18 games. (he averages 4.2 in the games he got 20+ carries in, same as his career ypa actually).

If he maintained a 4.2 average and averaged 20 carries he'd be a 1300-1400 yard back, and that is purely rushing the ball. Get him a few catches a game, which he excels at, and you are looking at 1700-2000 all purpose yards.

All that is based purely on his actual performance stats. Not superstar worthy, which is what people still expect, but a damn productive back still.
If only he could stay healthy...
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Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field?
Ummm, what? Forget to take your meds or something?

You're making a COMPLETELY different argument here.

I was responding to the statement that Moreno has only played well against the Chiefs. That statement is flat out wrong and cannot be defended. Sorry.
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Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.
Lol what.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:08 PM   #172
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i wanna see Moreno do some one cut and go tough running on a consistent basis.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:13 AM   #173
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Oh, is that why he was inactive this season, to be replaced by the youngest player in the entire NFL? Because he's so consistent and stays on the field? Someone mentioned he never gets 20+ carries as if that's a coaching decision. Moreno doesn't get 20+ carries because he breaks in half after ten. Wanna know why McGahee is an immensely superior runningback? Because he runs hard, he knows how to cut into holes, and he stays on the field. Which of those can Moreno do? The only myth here is that Moreno is a great blocker and ball catcher. But in a pass-heavy offense he's inactive. Makes perfect sense. You apologists are nuts.
Games missed due to injury in the first 2 years as Broncos:
Moreno: 3
Mcgahee: 7

TD per touch ratio:
Moreno: TD every 30.2 touches
Mcgahee: TD every 60.5 touches

As pass catchers only:
Moreno: a TD per 13.5 catches
McGahee: a TD per 40.4 catches

I like Willis, and he is a tough runner, but there are no numbers to back up him being "Vastly superior" when it comes to production for the broncos. All it is is bias.
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Where were the goons who wanted Michael from A&M again? I notice that they vacated the thread as soon as I brought up his history of suckitude.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:43 AM   #175
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Where were the goons who wanted Michael from A&M again? I notice that they vacated the thread as soon as I brought up his history of suckitude.
I like Michael as a player....I prefer Cameron Marshall though
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