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Old 11-26-2012, 05:25 PM   #51
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Cutler never led the broncos to the playoffs.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:18 PM   #52
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never liked Plummer. plenty of people see a guy who won a lot of games; I see a guy who prevented us from winning the ones that mattered.

no hard feelings, but seeing his name certainly doesn't fill me with nostalgia.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:20 PM   #53
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never liked Plummer. plenty of people see a guy who won a lot of games; I see a guy who prevented us from winning the ones that mattered.

no hard feelings, but seeing his name certainly doesn't fill me with nostalgia.
Pray tell how did he prevent those wins?
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:26 PM   #54
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I sure liked Jake the Snake better than I did the Frown Cannon.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:27 PM   #55
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So did most of the locker room.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:48 PM   #56
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:48 PM   #57
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Pray tell how did he prevent those wins?
by not being very good

I mean I could show you the stat line against Pittsburgh in case you forgot, but that doesn't tell a third of it. the guy couldn't throw the ball from the pocket. at all. that's a bit of a problem.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:51 PM   #58
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I liked watching Plummer. The best thing about Jake to me......was, his teammates respected him! I thought that Shanny should have stuck with Plummer to finish out the year...and had him start the next year as well. I really think Plummer was solid...and Cutler could have used another year to year and a half learning. But, I think having drafted Cutler...there was no going back...Plummer didn't like it and thus the locker room was divided.

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by not being very good

I mean I could show you the stat line against Pittsburgh in case you forgot, but that doesn't tell a third of it. the guy couldn't throw the ball from the pocket. at all. that's a bit of a problem.
I suspect you aphave selective memory.

While Jake did not have a stellar game. Having an OL that could not block for the running game, which had all year opened up the passing game with play fakes.

I remember seeing the Blitzers in the backfield sometimes before Jake had a chance to get there himself.

I remember Ben setting a record during the game for 3rd down conversions.

I remember PIT Having almost a 14 minute TOP advantage.

I remember PIT coaches completely out coaching the mastermind.

I remember Jake almost being the rushing leader that day and getting sacked and harassed all day.

I remember about the only player on O that was still trying to win the game late in the game was Jake.

Dick Leabuea kicked Mikey's ass that day and mikey had no adjustments to counter with.


But hey for you cutlet fans I'm sure you forgot some of those things.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:49 PM   #60
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ok, I get it. the root of your shanahan hate was his benching of the pick throwing handball player. good to know.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:52 PM   #61
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Elway is that guy that is bringing everybody back....I find it amazing that I like him better as a VP than as a QB.
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Elway is that guy that is bringing everybody back....I find it amazing that I like him better as a VP than as a QB.
As exciting as John was as a player/ gunslinger I understand that sentiment as outrageous as some will say that statement of yours is.

He is certainly more Ozzie Newsome than Matt Millian
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Pray tell how did he prevent those wins?
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Plummer was a terrible big game quarterback. I really hoped a lot out of him, but when it came to big games where we HAD to have a win, the pressure got to the guy. And it showed up in spades once he had Cutler riding on his shoulder. Plummer isn't cut out for stress. He'll tell you as much himself if you bother to read between the lines of what he says.

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I liked watching Plummer. The best thing about Jake to me......was, his teammates respected him! I thought that Shanny should have stuck with Plummer to finish out the year...and had him start the next year as well. I really think Plummer was solid...and Cutler could have used another year to year and a half learning. But, I think having drafted Cutler...there was no going back...Plummer didn't like it and thus the locker room was divided.

Great player...good QB.
knowing what we now know about Jay Cutler if he had to sit out a whole year he probably would have quit the NFL and moved onto competitive sulking.
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ok, I get it. the root of your shanahan hate was his benching of the pick throwing handball player. good to know.
Not at all. My dislike for mikey the GM started in about 03 when I started looking at his pathetic personnel decisions whether it be UFA, the DAFT in his case or coaching moves.

As for that pick thrower, as you call him. ..after setting down with Kubes in the offseason before the championship run in 05. He was near the NFL record at the time for passes between picks..

He had the lowest pick number of his career and had a career year.

BTW his number of (7) picks was lower than anyone in the top 20 that year.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Sounds like your jealous of a guy that walked away from the game, a very rich man with his hot girlfriend and now plays handball because he loves the sport.

But then that was how I read your post.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:33 AM   #66
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Plummer was a terrible big game quarterback. I really hoped a lot out of him, but when it came to big games where we HAD to have a win, the pressure got to the guy. And it showed up in spades once he had Cutler riding on his shoulder. Plummer isn't cut out for stress. He'll tell you as much himself if you bother to read between the lines of what he says.
Iirc he held the record for come back games, in the fourth quarter. Hardly something that chokers manage to do.

As for cutlet what did you expect him to do. Kubes left his buffer between Jake and mikey. When he left mikey brought in his college room mate IIRC to run a drop back passing style offense, even though the OL was not designed for it.
Mikey did not even have the guts to call Jake to tell him they were drafting cutlet, he had to learn of it from a reporter calling to get his reaction.

The guy had a career year and gets the triple whammy from his HC..

Sure fire way to build trust and a relationship.

But then Jake did retire taking one more thing form the broncos besides all the star money mikey threw at hi each time he needed cap relief.p, that would be one of their cheerleaders. Jake laughed all the way to the bank in Idaho with his wife.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:46 AM   #67
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As for that pick thrower, as you call him. ..after setting down with Kubes in the offseason before the championship run in 05. He was near the NFL record at the time for passes between picks..

He had the lowest pick number of his career and had a career year.

BTW his number of (7) picks was lower than anyone in the top 20 that year.
yes, jake plummer didn't throw picks for the same reason alex smith doesn't toss interceptions today (and still found a seat on the bench): he wasn't allowed to. if mike and gary put together a gameplan in which jake plummer was to drop back in the pocket and throw it 40 times a game, he would have thrown 30 picks. they maximized the one thing he was able to do (roll out, read half the field), plopped him behind the best running game in the NFL, and literally took everything else out of the playbook. hence, liability.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:26 AM   #68
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Iirc he held the record for come back games, in the fourth quarter. Hardly something that chokers manage to do.
I don't care what he did in Arizona. When he played for the Broncos, there wasn't a big game he didn't manage to choke on. Some guys have it, some guys dont. Plummer had a lot of heart, but he couldn't manage the pressure, and eventually cracked his way out of the league. I'm glad for the guy - he's got a hell of a great life now. And I'll give him some credit as well - he pulled the Broncos out of a dark place and gave people hope again, even if it was short lived.

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Old 11-27-2012, 02:23 AM   #69
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As for Jake, he was basically the 2nd winningest QB we've had and brought excitement back to Broncos football. He'll always be a favorite. Those were some fun years.

But, this year and the next couple should be even more fun.
Not sure what games you were watching but, I was always excited watching Al Wilson, Champ, Portis, Anderson, Rod, Sharpe.

Watching a gimmick QB run around trying to complete a pass to one half of the field wasn't exciting.
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No way Morton is 7 on that list! You have a backup as your 3rd best QB?

1) Elway
2) Morton
3) Manning (with a bullet)
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4) Cutler
4) SOB (mostly for the one good year he had)
4) Plummer (could be higher if he didn't quit like a loser)
The theme wasn't "Best Broncos QBs". The theme was "Favorite QBs". Morton wasn't particularly loveable....
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As for that pick thrower, as you call him. ..after setting down with Kubes in the offseason before the championship run in 05. He was near the NFL record at the time for passes between picks..

He had the lowest pick number of his career and had a career year.

BTW his number of (7) picks was lower than anyone in the top 20 that year.
If I remember correctly, the only reason Plummer did not set the record for most passes or snaps without a turnover was a pre-half time Hail Mary which was intercepted. Without that play he owns it.
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I'll have to dig through my archives one of these days and post pics of Jake's first day of training camp. Things were so dark in Denver after the Griese ere you could hardly find a fan wearing a Broncos hat on the streets. That's no BS!

All of you internet haters don't understand how bad it was.

Then in comes Jake Plummer. First day of camp the crowd erupts. The crowd suddenly has playoff aspirations. The collective chant of "Superbowl! Superbowl! Superbowl!" explodes from the crowd! Jake is pumping his arm in the air leading the crowd!

Mile High becomes magical again. Tailgating scene is rocking! Broncos are suddenly thrust into the playoff picture year after year with a climax of the AFC West Championship game.

Screw the haters. The city of Denver, the fans at the Stadium appreciated what Jake brought to our city. It was called winning!
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the Orange Manes favorite quitter has returned!

I put JP on the same plane as McDaniels, Orton, Brister, Griese, etc...
Who cares...
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I don't care what he did in Arizona. When he played for the Broncos, there wasn't a big game he didn't manage to choke on. Some guys have it, some guys dont. Plummer had a lot of heart, but he couldn't manage the pressure, and eventually cracked his way out of the league. I'm glad for the guy - he's got a hell of a great life now. And I'll give him some credit as well - he pulled the Broncos out of a dark place and gave people hope again, even if it was short lived.
IIRC he had a lousy winning record in AZ, and a lot of those comebacks were in DEN. Not going to look it up but if anyone wants to fine by me.

But I'm pretty sure he was getting close to JOHNs number of saves.

So beleive what you will, I'd take heart and hustle over a another Jeff George any day. That we're the choices after Gary left, whom in a lot of folks minds was really getting the job done as OC.
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I'll have to dig through my archives one of these days and post pics of Jake's first day of training camp. Things were so dark in Denver after the Griese ere you could hardly find a fan wearing a Broncos hat on the streets. That's no BS!

All of you internet haters don't understand how bad it was.

Then in comes Jake Plummer. First day of camp the crowd erupts. The crowd suddenly has playoff aspirations. The collective chant of "Superbowl! Superbowl! Superbowl!" explodes from the crowd! Jake is pumping his arm in the air leading the crowd!

Mile High becomes magical again. Tailgating scene is rocking! Broncos are suddenly thrust into the playoff picture year after year with a climax of the AFC West Championship game.

Screw the haters. The city of Denver, the fans at the Stadium appreciated what Jake brought to our city. It was called winning!
Iirc his last game with AZ was at mile high or one of the last ones. I seem to remember the announcers toward the end of the game were saying the crowd was in unison chanting Jake Jake.

It was the start of a love affair with the kid. I know during the game I was thinking this kid has heart and never quit.
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