Does Shanahan make it through the season?

[TonyR]

Sagarin currently ranks the divisions as follows:

1) NFC North
2) NFC West
3) NFC South
4) AFC North
5) NFC East
6) AFC East
7) AFC South
8) AFC West

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl12.htm

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

They gave up the Lincoln Monument & sh_t to get RGIII, but that dude has HOF written all over him. As for Shanahan, they're in running to win arguably the toughest div in football with a rookie QB. Good for him. Hope we meet them in the Superbowl!

Dunno if RG3 is gonna be able to keep up looking as good as he does right now. D's are biting hard on the playaction and leaving him the open looks downfield (which he's converting). He has the playaction game down, real Pro playaction fakes, nice accurate throws hitting receivers in stride at all levels off of the playaction. He's a good one - accurate guy with a strong arm and legs also.

Missing their #1's for the next two years has to hurt though. They also got nailed with the Free Agent hit for next year, $18 million penalty they can't spend.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

They went to S.F. this year and embarrassed them. They'll do it again in the playoffs.

Kaeper will nick them this year.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

They also got nailed with the Free Agent hit for next year, $18 million penalty they can't spend.

Take this FWIW, but Schefter was on radio here a few weeks back and he thinks the redskins will get relief from some of that penalty.

Speculation is that since Schefter is close to Shanahan, he knows what's going on behind the scenes...

It was a BS penalty. Karma would be for the redskins to make the playoffs and knockout the Giants from the playoffs or better yet beat them out for the NFC East.

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Easy. How hard was it for Shanahan to go and get RG3. Was there many that said he isn't worth a top 5 pick?
I was responding to SoCal's post.

Well, they did give up three first round picks for him. I imagine any team could have gotten him if they would have offered more and you know what? If he stays healthy he is worth it.

The Skins two starting DEs are out for the season a long wiht other injuries but the offense is rolling. Shanahan will get one more year, I believe, unless for some reason the players do not like him then I could see him being ousted.

I think he is at the point where he has to improve every year or he is out. So He needs 7-9 or better this year and he will need to better tthan hat next year. They are a fun team to watch and RGIII is the perfect QB for Shanahan's system.

I can see why some people might think Shanahan is overrated but I do not see why people are rooting against him?

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

Take this FWIW, but Schefter was on radio here a few weeks back and he thinks the redskins will get relief from some of that penalty.

Speculation is that since Schefter is close to Shanahan, he knows what's going on behind the scenes...

It was a BS penalty. Karma would be for the redskins to make the playoffs and knockout the Giants from the playoffs or better yet beat them out for the NFC East.

Good. They better get serious relief. That was total bull****. The league admitted that they did not violate the CBA, its just that the NFL wanted the owners to collude during hte uncapped year to create a de facto salary cap even though there wasn't one.

Your boy Snyder should let Goodell know that it would be unfortunate if the union started getting leaked evidence of collusion, so rescind the penalty...or else.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by baja

If you said the best playoffs team I would agree but not this year That honor goes to SF.

I disagree. Playoffs are all about franchise Qbs and having a defense that can rush 4 and pressure the opposing teams franchise qb. NYG proved mulitple times their regular season record means nothing and they have the SB formula. SF will get beat by a legit QB.

[Hamrob]

I think you give Shanny 1 more year. Based on his past...and on RGIII. I think it would be a mistake not to.

Here are my thoughts on Shanny:

1. He takes over a mediocre Denver Squad and wins 2 Championships in 4yrs (should have been 3..Jax)
2. He tries Griese...then, signs Plummer...he goes to a AFC title game..
3. He starts over, drafts Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Hixon, Kuper...and reboots
4. He gets 1.5yrs...has the #1 rated offense in the NFL...and is fired
5. He goes to WA...gets Grossman....then drafts RGIII...who is a rookie
6. At least give the guy a 3rd year with a 2nd year with RGIII
7. Give Shanny 4-5yrs with any top-tiered QB and look out!!!

***I will always believe Bowlen (dick head Joe Ellis) pulled the plug prematurely...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense and give Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis one more year....youch!

[baja]

Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

I disagree. Playoffs are all about franchise Qbs and having a defense that can rush 4 and pressure the opposing teams franchise qb. NYG proved mulitple times their regular season record means nothing and they have the SB formula. SF will get beat by a legit QB.

I said that when I thought Smith was the starter but looks like SF will go with Kaepernick. That will make them better or worse but they won't be the same. So now I don't know if I can stay with SF.

Smith did not make mistakes and has a qb rating of 100 and he likely gets benched. Ballsy move. We'll see.

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

I think you give Shanny 1 more year. Based on his past...and on RGIII. I think it would be a mistake not to.

Here are my thoughts on Shanny:

1. He takes over a mediocre Denver Squad and wins 2 Championships in 4yrs (should have been 3..Jax)
2. He tries Griese...then, signs Plummer...he goes to a AFC title game..
3. He starts over, drafts Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Hixon, Kuper...and reboots
4. He gets 1.5yrs...has the #1 rated offense in the NFL...and is fired
5. He goes to WA...gets Grossman....then drafts RGIII...who is a rookie
6. At least give the guy a 3rd year with a 2nd year with RGIII
7. Give Shanny 4-5yrs with any top-tiered QB and look out!!!

***I will always believe Bowlen (dick head Joe Ellis) pulled the plug prematurely...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense and give Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis one more year....youch!

That is a pretty good analysis. Shanahan spent 6 years after Elway left trying to find a QB then when he got one he was fired two years later. I remember hearing that Elway pissed Shanahan off because he waffled on his retirement and the longer it went the more convinced Shanahan thought he was coming back. When Elway then retired after the draft and after Rich Gannon had already signed with Oakland he was pissed. I guess he wanted Gannon. I wonder how things would have been different wiht Gannon leading the tema for 3 or 4 years after all he did lead Oakland to the SB in 2002.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

Take this FWIW, but Schefter was on radio here a few weeks back and he thinks the redskins will get relief from some of that penalty.

Speculation is that since Schefter is close to Shanahan, he knows what's going on behind the scenes...

It was a BS penalty. Karma would be for the redskins to make the playoffs and knockout the Giants from the playoffs or better yet beat them out for the NFC East.

Schefter is close to Shanny, that's for sure, but Shanny is full of BS also, just have to see what happens I guess. Wash unseating the Giants would set NY on their ears. Probably not gonna happen, but who knows?

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

I think you give Shanny 1 more year. Based on his past...and on RGIII. I think it would be a mistake not to.

Here are my thoughts on Shanny:

1. He takes over a mediocre Denver Squad and wins 2 Championships in 4yrs (should have been 3..Jax)
2. He tries Griese...then, signs Plummer...he goes to a AFC title game..
3. He starts over, drafts Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Hixon, Kuper...and reboots
4. He gets 1.5yrs...has the #1 rated offense in the NFL...and is fired
5. He goes to WA...gets Grossman....then drafts RGIII...who is a rookie
6. At least give the guy a 3rd year with a 2nd year with RGIII
7. Give Shanny 4-5yrs with any top-tiered QB and look out!!!

***I will always believe Bowlen (dick head Joe Ellis) pulled the plug prematurely...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense and give Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis one more year....youch!

Well, you forgot the McNabb fiasco, traded a 2nd rounder and a future 3rd for McNabb.

Yeesh, shanny spent 3 first round picks, two second round picks, a 3rd round pick, two FA signings for Beck and Grossman, and a 4th round pick for Kirk Cousins.

And ended up from all that with RG3, Rex Grossman, and Kirk Cousins. And no 1st round picks for the next two years. Yeesh.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

I think you give Shanny 1 more year. Based on his past...and on RGIII. I think it would be a mistake not to.

Here are my thoughts on Shanny:

1. He takes over a mediocre Denver Squad and wins 2 Championships in 4yrs (should have been 3..Jax)
1. Shanny goes through defensive coordinators like **** through a goose
1. Shanny has too many subpar drafts and some really, really bad FA signings
2. He tries Griese...then, signs Plummer...he goes to a AFC title game..
3. He starts over, drafts Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Hixon, Kuper...and reboots
4. He gets 1.5yrs...has the #1 rated offense in the NFL...and is fired
4. Shanny goes to WA and the first thing he does is turn a top rated defense into garbage from which the skins are still struggling with
5. He goes to WA...gets Grossman....then drafts RGIII...who is a rookie
6. At least give the guy a 3rd year with a 2nd year with RGIII
7. Give Shanny 4-5yrs with any top-tiered QB and look out!!!

***I will always believe Bowlen (dick head Joe Ellis) pulled the plug prematurely...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense and give Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis one more year....youch!

fixed. I could put more in there but you get the point.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

I think you give Shanny 1 more year. Based on his past...and on RGIII. I think it would be a mistake not to.

Here are my thoughts on Shanny:

1. He takes over a mediocre Denver Squad and wins 2 Championships in 4yrs (should have been 3..Jax)
2. He tries Griese...then, signs Plummer...he goes to a AFC title game..
3. He starts over, drafts Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Hixon, Kuper...and reboots
4. He gets 1.5yrs...has the #1 rated offense in the NFL...and is fired
5. He goes to WA...gets Grossman....then drafts RGIII...who is a rookie
6. At least give the guy a 3rd year with a 2nd year with RGIII
7. Give Shanny 4-5yrs with any top-tiered QB and look out!!!

***I will always believe Bowlen (dick head Joe Ellis) pulled the plug prematurely...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense and give Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis one more year....youch!

Add in Shanny starts defense in his last year in Denver that most of players are out of the league after the year and not on another team.

Shanny loses the real brains to his operation Gary Kubiak who has had great success without him. Shanny not so much without Kubiak.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

Karma would be for the redskins to make the playoffs and knockout the Giants from the playoffs or better yet beat them out for the NFC East.

Giants will be in NFC Championship Game. Mark it down.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

...had Shanny received 1 more draft/free agent period to improve the defense...

While I understand your overall sentiment, this part I have to question. He'd been given multiple years to clean up that mess. And he did perhaps his worst job his final year in Denver. That defense was an atrocious joke.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by TonyR

While I understand your overall sentiment, this part I have to question. He'd been given multiple years to clean up that mess. And he did perhaps his worst job his final year in Denver. That defense was an atrocious joke.

One more year Tony. The Mastermind only needed one more year. Word on the light rail was he had an ingenious scheme to trade out of the 1st for multiple extra picks in later rounds. Then he was going to draft 8 corners. From there, law of averages said one of them had to be good enough to learn something from Champ.

2009 wouldda been something special.

[DENVERDUI55]

For anyone that thinks Shanny needed one more year it took him years to build this thing of beauty.

Broncos Defense
LE 60 John Engelberger, 96 Tim Crowder
LT 95 Sam Adams, 93 Antwon Burton
RT 63 Amon Gordon, 79 Marcus Thomas, 99 Alvin McKinley
RE 92 Elvis Dumervil, 94 Jarvis Moss
WLB 52 Ian Gold, 51 Wesly Mallard
MLB 55 D.J. Williams, 54 D.D. Lewis
SLB 58 Nate Webster, 53 Louis Green
LCB 24 Champ Bailey, 41 Karl Paymah, 28 Jeff Shoate
RCB 32 Dré Bly, 22 Domonique Foxworth
SS 25 Nick Ferguson, 40 Curome Cox
FS 47 John Lynch, 21 Hamza Abdullah

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

For anyone that thinks Shanny needed one more year it took him years to build this thing of beauty.

Broncos Defense
LE 60 John Engelberger, 96 Tim Crowder
LT 95 Sam Adams, 93 Antwon Burton
RT 63 Amon Gordon, 79 Marcus Thomas, 99 Alvin McKinley
RE 92 Elvis Dumervil, 94 Jarvis Moss
WLB 52 Ian Gold, 51 Wesly Mallard
MLB 55 D.J. Williams, 54 D.D. Lewis
SLB 58 Nate Webster, 53 Louis Green
LCB 24 Champ Bailey, 41 Karl Paymah, 28 Jeff Shoate
RCB 32 Dré Bly, 22 Domonique Foxworth
SS 25 Nick Ferguson, 40 Curome Cox
FS 47 John Lynch, 21 Hamza Abdullah

As bad as you think that one was, you should go back and look at the talent he had in the 2004 and 2005 playoff years. DEN started 7 UDFA players going into INDY in 2004 and Trevor Pryce sat out like a little baby in the playoffs. He got things done on Offense, but he left little for his DC's to work with over the years except headcase DT's nicknamed IHOP

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

...this thing of beauty.

And here were the starters Shanny's last year, 2008:

LDE E Ekuban
LDT D Robertson
RDT M Thomas
RDE E Dumervil

LLB J Winborn
MLB N Webster
RLB D Williams

LCB C Bailey
RCB D Bly
SS M Manuel
FS M McCree

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by TonyR

And here were the starters Shanny's last year, 2008:

LDE E Ekuban
LDT D Robertson
RDT M Thomas
RDE E Dumervil

LLB J Winborn
MLB N Webster
RLB D Williams

LCB C Bailey
RCB D Bly
SS M Manuel
FS M McCree

Jeez, that was pathetic.
That right there alone, was more than enough to warrant the firing.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Giants will be in NFC Championship Game. Mark it down.

I will take that friendly wager. IMO, they get knocked out early this year.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Well, they did give up three first round picks for him. I imagine any team could have gotten him if they would have offered more and you know what? If he stays healthy he is worth it.

The Skins two starting DEs are out for the season a long wiht other injuries but the offense is rolling. Shanahan will get one more year, I believe, unless for some reason the players do not like him then I could see him being ousted.

I think he is at the point where he has to improve every year or he is out. So He needs 7-9 or better this year and he will need to better tthan hat next year. They are a fun team to watch and RGIII is the perfect QB for Shanahan's system.

I can see why some people might think Shanahan is overrated but I do not see why people are rooting against him?

I dont root against him as I hate the Cowboys and Giants. I actually liked Redskins back to when they had old Billy Kilmer. He spent a lot to get RG3 and he better find a way to improve that defense or it is Broncos circa 2008 all over again. I believe that QB is worth it and should do well if Shanny has it still for Offense. It is the other side of the ball that can kick his teeth in again and would be the reason for a firing. I do believe he deserves another year but this year better get better and next year better be near the top of the NFC. So many teams are better than his right now. He better aim for 10 wins next season or the fans will be (more) restless.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Good. They better get serious relief. That was total bull****. The league admitted that they did not violate the CBA, its just that the NFL wanted the owners to collude during hte uncapped year to create a de facto salary cap even though there wasn't one.

Your boy Snyder should let Goodell know that it would be unfortunate if the union started getting leaked evidence of collusion, so rescind the penalty...or else.

This we agree on

Hopefully, your boy shanny rides rg3 all the way to the playoffs

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by TonyR

And here were the starters Shanny's last year, 2008:

LDE E Ekuban
LDT D Robertson
RDT M Thomas
RDE E Dumervil

LLB J Winborn
MLB N Webster
RLB D Williams

LCB C Bailey
RCB D Bly
SS M Manuel
FS M McCree

and don't forget Bob Slowick.