Moreno stepped his game up - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

spdirty · 11-25-2012, 02:42 PM

Hope he didn't pull a hammy today. Otherwise it was a good game. I was happy with his effort. 2 hands on the ball at all times. I can handle the goofiness, but ball security is so important. Had he fumbled today it would have been unforgivable, and I'm happy he didn't.

Vine · 11-25-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Again. He's a talented back. His health has been his biggest downfall. He's a polarized player because of who drafted him. If he was a 4th round Fox selection... we'd all be praising him as one of the better back-ups in the league.

The issue will be his health. Hopefully he can finally stay on the field.

This. Good post.

2KBack · 11-25-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vine

So you are going to try to claim that some fumbles don't have as big an effect on games as other fumbles? Last year, he several fumbles that hurt us big time. You never want to see one of your own players fumble, but if you fumble when you are up by 3 touchdowns, that is a lot less costly than some of the other times he has fumbled.

Moreno had 1 fumble last year

Vine · 11-25-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Moreno had 1 fumble last year

Sometimes perception is bigger than reality.

spdirty · 11-25-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Why do I get the feeling a lot of you are sitting at home crossing your fingers and hoping the guy fails massively? You do get that Moreno finally putting it together and staying healthy from here on out will help our playoff hopes right?

I HOPE he stays healthy and plays well. It would be nice if he could show enough to be the guy next year as I don't trust McGahee and Knowshon only makes 1.3 million.

DENVERDUI55 · 11-25-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBound

I can't count how many times I screamed out "just hit the ****ing hole!!!" I appreciated his patience but damn man get your legs moving at least...

Agreed. He gets one or two runs where his dancing allowed play to developed then he true that on every play. He ran good today but his funniest move is the stop and stiff arm.

Agamemnon · 11-25-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vine

I don't know if you are thinking of me, but I said it before, if he sees the field, I root for him. It is in the Broncos best interests for him to perform well when he does play. Only fake fans would not agree with that. I am happy for him, and was glad that he hit those holes and broke tackles. He played very well.

I'm not referencing you specifically, no. My post was directed at a lot of people on the OM, some of whom haven't even posted in this particular thread. I'm no Moreno fan, but I've never understood the hate for the guy.

DENVERDUI55 · 11-25-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Again. He's a talented back. His health has been his biggest downfall. He's a polarized player because of who drafted him. If he was a 4th round Fox selection... we'd all be praising him as one of the better back-ups in the league.

The issue will be his health. Hopefully he can finally stay on the field.

Beantown needs proof that he gets hurt.

spdirty · 11-25-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Again. He's a talented back. His health has been his biggest downfall. He's a polarized player because of who drafted him. If he was a 4th round Fox selection... we'd all be praising him as one of the better back-ups in the league.

The issue will be his health. Hopefully he can finally stay on the field.

Yeah well its not only who drafted him but where he was drafted and who he was drafted ahead of. When you are drafted that high you are expected to be basically Adrian Peterson 2.0. He isn't. So excuse some of us when we get a little bit pissed off if seeing him reminds us of the wasted draft picks we had.

Not only that but he really hasn't shown himself worthy of being a starting running back in this league.

That said I'm glad he had that kind of effort today and I hope that kind of effort continues and continues injury free.

spdirty · 11-25-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'm no Moreno fan, but I've never understood the hate for the guy.

Why? Why wouldn't you understand? Do I need to bring out the laundry list of reasons why people don't like him?

Lestat · 11-25-2012, 02:58 PM

he looked like he was ready to go. maybe we should have played him more earlier.
wonder if the team thought he wasn't fully back or what.
definitely didn't look like a 4th string RB. which further pisses me off about Lance Ball getting carries over him.

Agamemnon · 11-25-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

Why? Why wouldn't you understand? Do I need to bring out the laundry list of reasons why people don't like him?

I understand why a person doesn't like him or trust him to get the job done. I understand that he's underachieved for where he was drafted. None of that justifies the hate for him that I see on these boards.

gyldenlove · 11-25-2012, 03:01 PM

I loved how he looked out of the backfield, he has always been a very talented receiving back, 4 targets, 4 catches and some key first downs.

Crushaholic · 11-25-2012, 03:04 PM

That 4.2 average was awesome....

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Bladerunner · 11-25-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBound

I loved his performance today but God does he make it look bad. He is the clumsiest back I have ever watched run. It's embarrassing. He trips over his own feet, misses obvious holes and shows no confidence. The only thing he's confident about are his abilities to get up off the ground. He pops up like boss.

If he showed half the confidence running the ball that he shows getting up from tripping over his own feet we'd be alright.

Perfect summation of Knowshon...my sentiments exactly!

DENVERDUI55 · 11-25-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I'm very happy for him.

Next week will be a tough test for sure. TB has the #1 ranked run defense in the league. If he can even somewhat replicate today's numbers, we'll do just fine. We need more consistent blocking though. We were largely dominated up front today.

He will have his chances the rest of the way though. Nobody we face after TB has an even somewhat decent run defense.

You couldn't be farther off Tampa has an awful run D and I would dare say bottom 5. I know for a fact SF has the number 1 and Chicago isn't far off.

swaiy · 11-25-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

You couldn't be farther off Tampa has an awful run D and I would dare say bottom 5. I know for a fact SF has the number 1 and Chicago isn't far off.

Chicago and 9ers hqve #1 and #2 overall. If youre just talking Run D, Tampa is pretty stout but their secondary sucks.

Cito Pelon · 11-25-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

he looked like he was ready to go. maybe we should have played him more earlier.
wonder if the team thought he wasn't fully back or what.
definitely didn't look like a 4th string RB. which further pisses me off about Lance Ball getting carries over him.

That's the thing, Moreno was coming off the ACL, was wearing a knee brace all through the preseason, but they tried to work him into the lineup. Now he's back to 100% and hopefully they can get some miles out of him, sure need it for the stretch run.

HILife · 11-25-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBound

I can't count how many times I screamed out "just hit the ****ing hole!!!" I appreciated his patience but damn man get your legs moving at least...

razorwire77 · 11-25-2012, 03:20 PM

I thought Moreno ran hard today against a surprisingly motivated Chef defense. He's earned the right to start next week, but I don't see the big-time talent whose only limitations are that he is hampered by injuries narrative that some of you guys are spinning.

KM doesn't really have the 2nd gear and explosiveness that an elite back his size should have. He doesn't have the great feet that you want in an every down back. Willis is 30 pounds heaver, significantly older and running with a no cartilage knee and he is still more sudden and quick in space.

KM showed decent vision today, which is encouraging. He's better than Ball, and he finished the game strong, but I don't think this was a coming out party or anything. We're really going to struggle running the ball consistently against decent teams with KM, Ball, or Hillman.

Swedish Extrovert · 11-25-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

That 4.2 average was awesome....

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He was averaging 5.5ypc until those last three carries for negative yardage with KC stacking the line.

Lestat · 11-25-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

That's the thing, Moreno was coming off the ACL, was wearing a knee brace all through the preseason, but they tried to work him into the lineup. Now he's back to 100% and hopefully they can get some miles out of him, sure need it for the stretch run.

but still, Lance Ball! i know Moreno wasn't 100% but Balls sucks.

Agamemnon · 11-25-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by razorwire77

I thought Moreno ran hard today against a surprisingly motivated Chef defense. He's earned the right to start next week, but I don't see the big-time talent whose only limitations are that he is hampered by injuries narrative that some of you guys are spinning.

KM doesn't really have the 2nd gear and explosiveness that an elite back his size should have. He doesn't have the great feet that you want in an every down back. Willis is 30 pounds heaver, significantly older and running with a no cartilage knee and he is still more sudden and quick in space.

KM showed decent vision today, which is encouraging. He's better than Ball, and he finished the game strong, but I don't think this was a coming out party or anything. We're really going to struggle running the ball consistently against decent teams with KM, Ball, or Hillman.

Pretty good take. Moreno is almost certainly never going to live up to 1st round status. I think that ship has sailed. But he's still better than Hillman and Ball, so I'm glad we have him on the roster right now. This offense doesn't really need elite RB play, just competent RB play.

orinjkrush · 11-25-2012, 03:25 PM

I'd grade Knowsho a B+ for the game (compared to his usual C-). Am really glad for him and for us 'cause we NEED him to play at this level through the playoffs. Go Knowsho!

I think the Oline was a B- today, Peyton was feeling lotsa pressure.
I'd give Peyton an A for his dealing with the pressure, but a brain fart or two.
I think the WRs were B today, coupla drops but made some big catches (awesome TD).

I think the DL was a C today, not the pressure I expected.
I think the LBs were a C+...lotsa runs past Doom and Von.
And the DBs were a solid A, great coverage and good run support.
ST was a C+, with Prater's misses but good PR performance (thank goodness on Leonard)

24champ · 11-25-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

He was averaging 5.5ypc until those last three carries for negative yardage with KC stacking the line.

Yeah, and his average was higher than that of Willis.

Not to mention he caught the bell well today from Peyton. Some people are going to hate on Moreno no matter what.

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11-25-2012, 02:42 PM	#26
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	Hope he didn't pull a hammy today. Otherwise it was a good game. I was happy with his effort. 2 hands on the ball at all times. I can handle the goofiness, but ball security is so important. Had he fumbled today it would have been unforgivable, and I'm happy he didn't.

11-25-2012, 02:58 PM	#36
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,168	he looked like he was ready to go. maybe we should have played him more earlier. wonder if the team thought he wasn't fully back or what. definitely didn't look like a 4th string RB. which further pisses me off about Lance Ball getting carries over him.

11-25-2012, 03:01 PM	#38
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,027 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	I loved how he looked out of the backfield, he has always been a very talented receiving back, 4 targets, 4 catches and some key first downs.

11-25-2012, 03:20 PM	#45
razorwire77 Tapenade Swagga Splotchy Headed Assassin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 3,262 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mario Fannin	I thought Moreno ran hard today against a surprisingly motivated Chef defense. He's earned the right to start next week, but I don't see the big-time talent whose only limitations are that he is hampered by injuries narrative that some of you guys are spinning. KM doesn't really have the 2nd gear and explosiveness that an elite back his size should have. He doesn't have the great feet that you want in an every down back. Willis is 30 pounds heaver, significantly older and running with a no cartilage knee and he is still more sudden and quick in space. KM showed decent vision today, which is encouraging. He's better than Ball, and he finished the game strong, but I don't think this was a coming out party or anything. We're really going to struggle running the ball consistently against decent teams with KM, Ball, or Hillman.

11-25-2012, 03:25 PM	#49
orinjkrush ... Prospects for the future... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DistrictOfCorruption Posts: 4,914 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben Garland	I'd grade Knowsho a B+ for the game (compared to his usual C-). Am really glad for him and for us 'cause we NEED him to play at this level through the playoffs. Go Knowsho! I think the Oline was a B- today, Peyton was feeling lotsa pressure. I'd give Peyton an A for his dealing with the pressure, but a brain fart or two. I think the WRs were B today, coupla drops but made some big catches (awesome TD). I think the DL was a C today, not the pressure I expected. I think the LBs were a C+...lotsa runs past Doom and Von. And the DBs were a solid A, great coverage and good run support. ST was a C+, with Prater's misses but good PR performance (thank goodness on Leonard)