So What's the Common Ground Moving Forward

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So what things are the dems going to offer up in the compromise if they want touch any entitlement programs? And if no compromise then why lie to the American people and say you want to? Why not just use the election power and say we won, we are right, its our way or the highway?

Good job completely ignoring the content of my post.

Want to try again?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

The elephant is not dead nor ready for soup.

The Dixiecrat still exist. The antebellum south is alive and well and banksters (Carpet baggers) are like JP Morgan selling dead weapons for gold.

Nobody wins a war of absolutes and an animal is most dangerous when it has nothing to lose. This is a poor game but I wish you the best.

The elephant, like any other species, can go extinct if it fails to adapt.

Here's hoping the party "stays the course."

[orinjkrush]

Originally Posted by W*GS

'cutthemdown' is the honorary Archie Bunker of the OM. None too bright, but 100% sure of his opinions.

100% certainty is a hallmark of fools. either left or right.

best to keep a healthy margin of doubt.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

100% certainty is a hallmark of fools. either left or right.

best to keep a healthy margin of doubt.

Except when it comes to that which is indubitable, e.g., arithmetic (hint, hint right-wingers.)

[orinjkrush]

umm, mathematics is still a model for whatever reality is.

i never could wrap my head around imaginary numbers.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"2+2=4" is true for any reality.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

umm, mathematics is still a model for whatever reality is.

i never could wrap my head around imaginary numbers.

"Figures never lie, liars always figure!!"

As proven in the last presidential election.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

"Figures never lie, liars always figure!!"

As proven in the last presidential election.

L0L!

Sore loser alert.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[orinjkrush]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

"2+2=4" is true for any reality.

umm. no. -2x -2= 4 too. or two.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Irish Stout

I'd like to believe that all of us as Americans have a strong desire to see our partisan Federal Government work together to reach some solutions that will help to lead us out of our current economic woes and away from the fiscal cliff.

Maybe we can't start immediately with a balanced budget, but there has to be some common ground where both parties can concede and agree. Dems won't give up Obamacare or tax increases for the wealthy, Republicans wants corporate tax rates lowered.

What else do the parties want and where can concessions be made? I'd like honest input. I'd like to write my representatives and ask them to work towards compromise, but I think its important that we as citizens have an idea where we would mutually agree first.

My current suggestion is to lower the corporate tax rates. I don't know that anyone has an issue there. I'd also take Romney's idea to close corporate tax loopholes (though I do not know what they are). I would suggest that the Republicans stop fighting against Obamacare, unless they have a way to improve it. Are these not things that can be agreed on? What else can we agree on?

What's the common grown going forward.

The cliff we all are about to go over.

[Cito Pelon]

Well, the Beltway guys are finally facing some realities after the election. They're still posturing of course, but they don't have to posture so close to another election. The midterms don't mean so much now, so the GOP House can relax some, give some ground, which will benefit all of us.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They speak for their supporters everywhere...

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

umm. no. -2x -2= 4 too. or two.

How many ways can a person get to the number 2? I like that. Interesting. You made me messing around with numbers for awhile.

The real problem remains nobody is seems capable of talking about the definition of two, too, 2, or tu without getting side tracked over which one was actually the number. The debate should be short but it does not occur.

[Rohirrim]

Blankfein and his buddies want to throw in their two cents. Well, no. Not actually. They don't want to give up so much as a penny. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2185585.html

Their "CEO" solution is simple: Just cut all the poor people ****.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Blankfein and his buddies want to throw in their two cents. Well, no. Not actually. They don't want to give up so much as a penny. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2185585.html

Their "CEO" solution is simple: Just cut all the poor people ****.

"We're job creators, we've earned our welfare."

[Rohirrim]

It reminds me of the NFL. They make rule changes over time to the point where, in order to compete, a team has to have the franchise QB. The rule changes have taken out the possibility of a team winning by dominating on the ground, or defense. Secondaries are extremely constrained in what they can do to stop the pass. The rules protecting the QB have constrained the pass rush. And what do you end up with? A passing league that favors QBs and WRs. And that's where the money goes.

America does the same thing with tax policy and regulation. The hedge fund managers and derivatives wizards are raking in all the money, while producing nothing of value for society, because that's the way the rulebook has been changed. Hell, this recession was barely a blip on the radar for many of them. The jobs and factories go overseas because that's the way the game is set up. People respond to reward and punishment. And when you give the rich and powerful the capacity to buy that kind of government which will write the rules to benefit them the most, don't expect any change in the status quo.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Chart: In the fiscal fight, the American mainstream disagrees with congressional Republicans on everything.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/28/15510982-gop-fiscal-plans-sharply-at-odds-with-public-opinion?lite

[Cito Pelon]

Maybe we'll see some compromise get done here in the next few weeks. Both sides hopefully are facing the political realities, backing away from their far-wingers, embracing the middle as best they can.

Grover Norquist of course is fighting back, trying to hold on to his power postion, as is Nancy Pelosi. Those two kind of represent the far wings, and hopefully they're being marginalized. The Center of both parties have to gain control, and it seems like they are doing so.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Maybe we'll see some compromise get done here in the next few weeks. Both sides hopefully are facing the political realities, backing away from their far-wingers, embracing the middle as best they can.

Grover Norquist of course is fighting back, trying to hold on to his power postion, as is Nancy Pelosi. Those two kind of represent the far wings, and hopefully they're being marginalized. The Center of both parties have to gain control, and it seems like they are doing so.

The center is not always the best solution.

[Bronco Yoda]

Lowering taxes and raising military spending is always an easy sale (say at a later time...anytime). Cutting Social programs is not. Even a 50/50 compromise is an overwhelming win for Republicans. You would have thought that they would have accepted a victory by now.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The center is not always the best solution.

so true

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

All this talk of compromise with economic terrorists (read: rethugs) is insane.

You don't make deals with your reckless and irresponsible 16 year-old son who just totaled the family sedan - you ground him and take away his allowance!

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The center is not always the best solution.

IMO, it is. Otherwise you end up with stagnation which benefits nobody. That's how society works, various forces compete for supremacy, eventually they settle their differences through compromise to create stability.

Society isn't supposed to be Hatfield's vs. McCoy's endlessly.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

Lowering taxes and raising military spending is always an easy sale (say at a later time...anytime). Cutting Social programs is not. Even a 50/50 compromise is an overwhelming win for Republicans. You would have thought that they would have accepted a victory by now.

The GOP will end up with a victory of some sort. Controlling the House of Representatives is a BFD. And it's not like the GOP is total idiots, some of their ideas have merit, they're gonna get something and deserve something. 48-49% of the populace can't be ignored.