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Old 11-24-2012, 10:14 AM   #26
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This move will either shut up or fire up the Jeremiah Johnson cult following we have.

IF this kid is half of what people here think he is, He will be picked up by another team, If he does not get picked up and lands back on the PS, He is who we thought he was.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:21 AM   #27
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He could have been signed to anyone's active roster at any time as a member of the PS, no team thinks he's better than any RB they currently have on their roster.

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:34 AM   #28
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Having a guy that is good at blocking like Ball is great but it still is a liability for Manning. Ball comes in teams know he is in there to block not run so they can send more people. One missed block and bam down goes Manning.
In fairness to Ball, he had 35 yards on 6 carries with a longest of 14 (5.8 ypa) in our last game, and his only extended amount of work the past few weeks.

And on 1st down with 10 yards to go, he's actually done quite well...12-63-5.7ypa

and for those worried he can't run between the tackles...his numbers say otherwise 15-62 for a 4.1 ypa.

By contrast Hillman on 1st and 10 has 31-154 (5.0 ypa.) but has struggled between the tackles with 43 yards on 17 attempts (2.5 ypa)

Granted they're not McGahee, but they've shown something to the coaching staff that makes them have confidence in their ability to help this team make plays in the run game..

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:38 AM   #29
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I think everyone in the world knew that Denver didn't have a running back able to run after McGahee. The FO didn't need to snap the fingers they just needed to be prepared for something like this. Moreno and Hillman should be on the roster. They had all offseason to do something to improve on Ball.

Having a guy that is good at blocking like Ball is great but it still is a liability for Manning. Ball comes in teams know he is in there to block not run so they can send more people. One missed block and bam down goes Manning.
Good just what we want or do you think Manning can't beat a 6 man rush with a quick out, he's only the best ever at it.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:40 AM   #30
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John knows what a big time runningback can mean to a team. He wouldn't have won crap without TD. How we can continue to prance out such crap behind the QB is amazing, its been our biggest weakness on this team by far. Moreno will run like a stud for 5 plays, fumble and get hurt and Lance Ball whose best attribute is blocking for Peyton will be our go to guy again. Thank God we are playing the Chefs.
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John knows what a big time runningback can mean to a team. He wouldn't have won crap without TD. How we can continue to prance out such crap behind the QB is amazing, its been our biggest weakness on this team by far. Moreno will run like a stud for 5 plays, fumble and get hurt and Lance Ball whose best attribute is blocking for Peyton will be our go to guy again. Thank God we are playing the Chefs.
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John knows what a big time runningback can mean to a team. He wouldn't have won crap without TD. How we can continue to prance out such crap behind the QB is amazing, its been our biggest weakness on this team by far. Moreno will run like a stud for 5 plays, fumble and get hurt and Lance Ball whose best attribute is blocking for Peyton will be our go to guy again. Thank God we are playing the Chefs.
Yet the offense puts up better than 26 points a game every week. I'll take those results.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #33
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In fairness to Ball, he had 35 yards on 6 carries with a longest of 14 (5.8 ypa) in our last game, and his only extended amount of work the past few weeks.

And on 1st down with 10 yards to go, he's actually done quite well...12-63-5.7ypa

and for those worried he can't run between the tackles...his numbers say otherwise 15-62 for a 4.1 ypa.

By contrast Hillman on 1st and 10 has 31-154 (5.0 ypa.) but has struggled between the tackles with 43 yards on 17 attempts (2.5 ypa)

Granted they're not McGahee, but they've shown something to the coaching staff that makes them have confidence in their ability to help this team make plays in the run game..
Ball touched the ball 9 times last game and fumbled once. When the game was on the line they gave the ball to Hillman to run the clock out pounding in between the tackles.
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Good just what we want or do you think Manning can't beat a 6 man rush with a quick out, he's only the best ever at it.
Just because the ball is getting out quick doesn't mean Manning won't take a shot or two he doesn't need to take.
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Just because the ball is getting out quick doesn't mean Manning won't take a shot or two he doesn't need to take.

Well there you go. You defeated your own argument against Ball because that is exactly why Ball, a lesser back, is playing
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Well there you go. You defeated your own argument against Ball because that is exactly why Ball, a lesser back, is playing
No I didn't. Ball can't block everyone man. You act like Ball can block multiple blitzing people.
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So you think Jeremiah Johnson is as good as Arian Foster?
No but sure as **** better than Mareno (who is inactive for a reason) and Ball who has more experience than Johnson.
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No I didn't. Ball can't block everyone man. You act like Ball can block multiple blitzing people.
You said they would rush more people because Ball is not a threat to run successfully (which is not true, he is a thread abit he's not McGahee)

The truth is Ball is the best back we have to off set that very rush you said he would allow to happen.

IE best line up to protect Manning the very point I have tried to make on this issue.


Ask yourself this. Why activate Ball at all if blocking is not a huge asset with him in the game.
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You said they would rush more people because Ball is not a threat to run successfully (which is not true, he is a thread abit he's not McGahee)

The truth is Ball is the best back we have to off set that very rush you said he would allow to happen.

IE best line up to protect Manning the very point I have tried to make on this issue.


Ask yourself this. Why activate Ball at all if blocking is not a huge asset with him in the game.
Ball plays on SP teams why Moreno doesn't.
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Ball touched the ball 9 times last game and fumbled once. When the game was on the line they gave the ball to Hillman to run the clock out pounding in between the tackles.
Yes he did fumble...every RB we've trotted out there has fumbled...Peyton has fumbled as well....

Look, I would love to have Adrian Peterson but we don't...and we can piss and moan about woulda shoulda coulda, but the bottom line is we have Ball, and Moreno and Hillman....which is who we're gonna have to hope perform well enough because I doubt the Vikings are gonna release AD
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No but sure as **** better than Mareno (who is inactive for a reason) and Ball who has more experience than Johnson.
so the guys that beat Johnson out for a job and are actually on the roster are not better than the guy they beat out who isn't on the roster and is being released from the practice squad? Is that your final answer?

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No but sure as **** better than Mareno (who is inactive for a reason) and Ball who has more experience than Johnson.
Yet he remained on the Practice Squad........
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Yes he did fumble...every RB we've trotted out there has fumbled...Peyton has fumbled as well....

Look, I would love to have Adrian Peterson but we don't...and we can piss and moan about woulda shoulda coulda, but the bottom line is we have Ball, and Moreno and Hillman....which is who we're gonna have to hope perform well enough because I doubt the Vikings are gonna release AD
This has nothing to do with needing the best RB in the NFL as our back up RB. This has everything to do with us needing a better back up RB then Ball. It's too late to find one now clearly, though I do feel that had Slaton had a full off season with us he would be better then Ball.

Again just because Ball is the "best" we have now doesn't mean he is the best we could have done.
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If Ball wasn't so ****ty at holding on to the football, I'd be comfortable with him as a backup. He's average at just about everything, which is what you want from a backup. But he can do it all. Moreno will get his chance and Hillman will probably keep his same role, with maybe a few more carries. I just wish we'd run one, just one pitch play this year. Have we done that yet?

As for JJ, I am drawn to his skillset, but there has to be some reason that he's on the PS and Ball is on the active roster.
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Ball plays on SP teams why Moreno doesn't.
Sure that is part of it but the bigger part is Manning feels comfortable with Ball's blocking.
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This has nothing to do with needing the best RB in the NFL as our back up RB. This has everything to do with us needing a better back up RB then Ball. It's too late to find one now clearly, though I do feel that had Slaton had a full off season with us he would be better then Ball.

Again just because Ball is the "best" we have now doesn't mean he is the best we could have done.
There isn't a poster here that does not want a better running back but we are dealing in realities.

But this is shifting the argument from Ball's value as a blocker. He plays on certain downs because he protects our main asset, Peyton Manning.

If Peyton goes down it won't matter who the running back is.
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No I didn't. Ball can't block everyone man. You act like Ball can block multiple blitzing people.
Any team that blitzes Manning is taking a huge risk regardless.....
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Foster was on the PS for half a season, this is Johnson's 3rd. What a great comparison.
Although, I probably could have made it less subtle, my post was merely sarcastic; which I thought was evident by the emoticon. Even more so, I thought you would have picked up on it with your 15K+ posting prowess. Instead, you opted for the smart ass remark only the irony is that your rather flat zinger failed. What a great response.
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First line in article;

"In a procedural move, the Broncos released running back Jeremiah Johnson from their practice squad Friday with the plan of re-signing him back early next week."
Just further example of what society has become. It's all about the headline. People read the headline only and think they know everything about what's been written. Then they make comments knowing nothing of the full facts.

Stupid people, they're everywhere.
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This has nothing to do with needing the best RB in the NFL as our back up RB. This has everything to do with us needing a better back up RB then Ball. It's too late to find one now clearly, though I do feel that had Slaton had a full off season with us he would be better then Ball.

Again just because Ball is the "best" we have now doesn't mean he is the best we could have done.

Perhaps...


nobody is arguing Ball is better than anyone save for perhaps Jeremiah Johnson who was on our practice squad. But the coaching staff and FO, who have proven that they actually DO know what the **** they're doing (contrary to the numerous wannabe coaches and GM's on this very site) kept McGahee, Moreno, and Ball, and drafted Hillman.....

they felt confident that those guys would produce a decent enough rushing attack to make Manning's offense work at a high level. and you cannot discount their ability to protect the QB in passing situations.....

We might run roughshod over the Chiefs or we may end up with egg on our face because we didn't pursue the Steve Slaton's of the world...who knows? I'll say let's see who plays and how well they do this upcoming game first before we start pushing the panic button?

Now if they **** the bed, then yeah maybe we need to look elsewhere and potentially upgrade the RB position. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by how well Hillman, Moreno, and Ball perform, especially catching some dump offs by Manning (just one man's opinion)
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