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View Poll Results: Who has more fantasy upside while McG is out? Ball or Hillman?
Ball has more fantasy upside 4 12.12%
Hillman has more fantasy upside 22 66.67%
My boner is warm and ready 7 21.21%
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:35 AM   #26
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Is Moreno even in good enough game shape to be an every down guy? Look, hopefully we'll be playing from ahead the next few weeks so we can get a good look at both Ball and Moreno. Hopwfully one will rise to the top. Ive seen enough of Hillman already and he needs another offseason in the gym.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:36 AM   #27
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I voted the boner option, but I honestly think Ball is going to be the goal line back.
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:56 PM   #28
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I already have Hillman on my team (drafted him and held onto him all season). I am thinking of dropping Joique Bell or Donald Brown so I can pick up Moreno, too. This is purely for depth as my starters are Forte and Richardson. But in case one of them goes down, the starting Broncos RB is a good plug-in option.

Do you think it's worth dropping one of my "scrubs" for Moreno just in case he becomes the feature back?
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:37 PM   #29
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Hillman and it is not close. Ball is a special teamer and situational 3rd down guy, he won't be more than that. As it stands I would expect Moreno to get the shot at carrying the load before they make Ball the every down guy.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #30
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I'll put it this way, neither of them will ever be stud RB's in this league. Hillman is just too small (not short, there are some shorter backs that are physical runners who get it done week to week). He will be, always, a change of pace guy. I just don't understand how you select that type of back as high as we did. I don't know, maybe next year he really hits those weights and can add 10-15 pounds of muscle. Might slow him a tad but if he adds muscle, don't think it will slow him down much, but it sure will help all the other parts of his game.

Ball - he's is what he is. Not super physical, not super fast, doesn't cut super hard, doesn't read blocks super great. Well, he'll just never be super. He is, IMO, an average 2nd option or probably should be that 3rd option at RB.

McGahee is getting older, he's banged up. He's played good, but looking to next year, I think this team needs to draft somebody special at RB, maybe even 1st or 2nd round.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:29 PM   #31
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I already have Hillman on my team (drafted him and held onto him all season). I am thinking of dropping Joique Bell or Donald Brown so I can pick up Moreno, too. This is purely for depth as my starters are Forte and Richardson. But in case one of them goes down, the starting Broncos RB is a good plug-in option.

Do you think it's worth dropping one of my "scrubs" for Moreno just in case he becomes the feature back?
Donald Brown is worthless. I'd drop him.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:33 PM   #32
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Ball. He's the goal-line back anyway, right?

Moreno should be in the poll though ... I think I'd pick him if he was.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:52 AM   #33
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Ball. He's the goal-line back anyway, right?

Moreno should be in the poll though ... I think I'd pick him if he was.
If you are talking FF than it is possible that Ball will get the goal line caries which could screw people who have Hillman.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:21 AM   #34
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if you are in a 12+ team league with an open bench spot and absolutely nothing on the wire, Moreno might be an ok add. there is that 1% chance he gets all of McGahee's carries and puts up the same numbers. Ball is not ownable in any league that is remotely standard. just think about it--even if he gets 100% of the goal line carries going forward, would you ever start him? Hillman is probably addable, but I certainly didn't try in either of my leagues.
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It has got to be Knowshow, simply because he offers upside, albeit very little upside. The physical talent is there; we all just have to hope the time off lit a fire under his ass. You have seen what Hillman and Ball have to offer, which is jack ****. I might vomit if I hear Hillman's 40 time again. He is not NFL fast on the field and in pads, he is not that quick, he has no power and his instincts suck. I know he's just a baby and I truly hope he develops but right now, he is below average.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:32 AM   #36
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Milehighmagic just roasted Hillman lol. Give him a break he's the youngest player in the league. Cecil lammey was all over him in the draft process. He thinks he has lesean McCoy upside . We wanted rahim moores neck last year just let it play itself out maybe he needs more carries per game to get in a groove
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I know hindsight is 20-20 an all, but can you imagine Doug Martin in orange an blue?



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Moreno, even if he plays (I think he'll be third string if not still a healthy scratch)...
Moreno a healthy scratch? You think they'll suit up 2 RB's? I say Moreno starts.
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Moreno a healthy scratch? You think they'll suit up 2 RB's? I say Moreno starts.
Based on the fact that he hasn't even suited the last month+

Hillman will get the bulk of the carries
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Based on the fact that he hasn't even suited the last month+

Hillman will get the bulk of the carries
The Broncos are not going to suit up only 2 RB's. Moreno not suiting up probably had more to do with Ball playing special teams than anything else. Hillman is a change of pace back and isn't ready to get the bulk of the carries.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:35 PM   #41
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The Broncos are not going to suit up only 2 RB's. Moreno not suiting up probably had more to do with Ball playing special teams than anything else. Hillman is a change of pace back and isn't ready to get the bulk of the carries.
Hillman will probably never be ready for the bulk of the carries. Dude is just too tiny.
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Milehighmagic just roasted Hillman lol. Give him a break he's the youngest player in the league. Cecil lammey was all over him in the draft process. He thinks he has lesean McCoy upside . We wanted rahim moores neck last year just let it play itself out maybe he needs more carries per game to get in a groove
So far all I've seen is decent speed. I haven't seen him juking and making people miss, and I haven't seen him make plays in the open field. He looks way too much like a smaller, slower Tatum Bell to me. Give him a big hole and he'll get you yards, but otherwise you get nothing.
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if you are in a 12+ team league with an open bench spot and absolutely nothing on the wire, Moreno might be an ok add. there is that 1% chance he gets all of McGahee's carries and puts up the same numbers. Ball is not ownable in any league that is remotely standard. just think about it--even if he gets 100% of the goal line carries going forward, would you ever start him? Hillman is probably addable, but I certainly didn't try in either of my leagues.
Well, if Ball got a TD every game from goal line carries he would give you abotu 10 FF points.
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Well, if Ball got a TD every game from goal line carries he would give you abotu 10 FF points.
provided he also got 40 yards, and provided he scored a TD every game. do you know how many RBs are averaging a TD a game this year? that would be one (Foster).
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:11 PM   #47
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I know hindsight is 20-20 an all, but can you imagine Doug Martin in orange an blue?



WaH waH wah
My wahwahwah. Denver trades down twice and ends up with Wolfe, Hillman, Bolden, and Blake.

NE gets Donta Hightower and TB gets Martin.
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My wahwahwah. Denver trades down twice and ends up with Wolfe, Hillman, Bolden, and Blake.

NE gets Donta Hightower and TB gets Martin.
Wolfe has a lot of potential while Hillman has showed me nothing. The other two I can't really judge, other than to say Bolden seems to have Bruton-type ST potential.

I can't lie though, I'd trade them all for Doug Martin.
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Yep, I believe he can be a very successful player in this league, but was drafted into a poor situation and has had some poor luck with injuries. He was drafted into a team with Kyle Orton and one of the poorest OLs in the league. Fast forward to 2012 and couple a huge passing game with a much improved OL and I think we'll see what Moreno is truly capable of; something he has shown flashes of for us and displayed full time at UG, but never fully showed in the pros.

If he stays healthy throughout the season, I believe Moreno may make us miss McGahee less than we should.

Or maybe I just like to be optimistic.
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Yep, I believe he can be a very successful player in this league, but was drafted into a poor situation and has had some poor luck with injuries. He was drafted into a team with Kyle Orton and one of the poorest OLs in the league. Fast forward to 2012 and couple a huge passing game with a much improved OL and I think we'll see what Moreno is truly capable of; something he has shown flashes of for us and displayed full time at UG, but never fully showed in the pros.

If he stays healthy throughout the season, I believe Moreno may make us miss McGahee less than we should.

Or maybe I just like to be optimistic.
Moreno has tons of skill, but he's never put together more than 5-6 consecutive games on the field. If he doesn't get it done here with this chance, he'll get another chance somewhere else. I hope he puts it together here, we need production from the tailbacks.
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