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View Poll Results: Who has more fantasy upside while McG is out? Ball or Hillman?
Ball has more fantasy upside 4 12.12%
Hillman has more fantasy upside 22 66.67%
My boner is warm and ready 7 21.21%
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:52 PM   #1
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Default Who has more fantasy upside? Ball or Hillman?

Not asking who is the better player - I'm curious who you think has the potential to score more points while McGahee is out. I guess part of your answer will depend on how you think they'll be used. I.e. Hillman as 1st & 2nd down and Ball as 3rd down, pass-catching, and goal-line?

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Ball: 3.8 YPC on 25 ATT. 94 yds rushing, 61 yds rec., 1 TD & 1 fumble
Hillman: 3.8 YPC on 49 ATT. 188 yds rushing, 62 yds rec., 1 TD & 1 fumble

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Old 11-21-2012, 12:54 PM   #2
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:54 PM   #3
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Even though he is small Denver was not afraid to use him in the redzone against Carolina
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:05 PM   #4
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For some reason, I think Moreno takes over McGahee's role and Hillman/Ball maintain the same role they do currently. Unless of course Moreno poops the bed. Moreno has shown a knack for the endzone so I think he is going to surprise some people. I've also noticed him alot on the sidelines and he seemed engaged in the games althoug being in street clothes. He was jawing with a Charger in the last game so I think he is chomping at the bit to get going.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:12 PM   #5
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I voted Ball and here's why.

By all accounts Hillman is an inferior blocker when it comes to backfield protection for the QB. He never had to do it in college and he's not the most physical guy around in any event.

No one in their right mind is going to voluntarily leave Manning with subpar protection.

So when Hillman's on the field, you can bet he's either going to be carrying the ball or going out as a receiver.

That alone doesn't hurt his fantasy output but what does hurt is that it limits his time in the game, because, as a general rule, the offense is going to want to keep the D guessing. In other words, he's a roleplayer/specialist.

And that means that Ball should see a lot more action as the every-down back. That includes red zone situations. That includes audibles, where Manning sees a good prospective running lane.

The big X factor is Moreno. He could wind up taking away playing time from either of them or both, dpending on how he responds.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:15 PM   #6
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:06 PM   #7
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:12 PM   #8
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I would say Moreno purely because I think he is the redzone back....Although I do think he is the most effective back we have healthy. I just doubt he will get a ton of carries immediately
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:16 PM   #9
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Ball. Trust factor makes Ball the guy that will be on the field more.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:20 PM   #10
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Well, in my Vegas money league, I passed on both Hillman and Ball for Moreno. Some of that was because I wanted to spend my top claim on upgrading another position, but the rest was because I don't have any faith in Hillman or Ball (or a platoon thereof) to be clear cut and consistent enough to be fantasy relevant. However, if Moreno plays like he can, he could be, and with the powderpuff run defense schedule in the playoffs, I rolled the dice on him.
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Hillman and it is not close. Ball is a special teamer and situational 3rd down guy, he won't be more than that. As it stands I would expect Moreno to get the shot at carrying the load before they make Ball the every down guy.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:45 PM   #13
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For some reason, I think Moreno takes over McGahee's role and Hillman/Ball maintain the same role they do currently. Unless of course Moreno poops the bed. Moreno has shown a knack for the endzone so I think he is going to surprise some people. I've also noticed him alot on the sidelines and he seemed engaged in the games althoug being in street clothes. He was jawing with a Charger in the last game so I think he is chomping at the bit to get going.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:30 PM   #16
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Upside obviously that would be Hillman since Ball has been in the league awhile. I want to see them activate Jeremiah Johnson, Dammit!!
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:34 PM   #17
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Hillman. Moreno, even if he plays (I think he'll be third string if not still a healthy scratch), he is not immediately going to get the carries he would have had being the #1. He might earn them after a week or two, but not right away.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:42 PM   #18
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Upside obviously that would be Hillman since Ball has been in the league awhile. I want to see them activate Jeremiah Johnson, Dammit!!
Not trying to be an ass...but what is so special about Johnson that makes some of you want him to be on the field....what has he done to earn being on the field?
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:27 PM   #19
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Idk fellas, our running game is between the tackles. Klis said we lined up in the 3 wide set on every play in the first half last week. Ive seen a large enough sample of Hillman to know that aint his game.
If McCoy wants to switch it up then maybe, but if its status quo then Ball has to be the best bet, but I wouldnt lose a waiver spot for any of them.

I have a feeling that all 3 are going to get a pretty good look this week. Ball will for sure and Moreno will if we have the lead.
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I understand why people may not think Moreno should be on the list... but I think he takes over McGahee's role.
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:06 AM   #21
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Not trying to be an ass...but what is so special about Johnson that makes some of you want him to be on the field....what has he done to earn being on the field?
He is on the Practice Squad and has not been given a chance to earn his time on the field. The only thing Hillman has done to earn his time is get drafted in the 3rd round.

That being said I like Johnson because he is by far the fastest RB Denver has. Hillman's 40 time might be similar to JJ but watching them play in the preseason. Johnson is much quicker to his top speed and he hit the holes faster I thought.

I guess I think Johnson is the most dangers RB. He might not break tackles or be elusive, Hillman has not shown these qualities either, but he is fast and can get to top gear very fast.

Now this is my take on what I saw in preseason. I think JJ is more dangerous.
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He is on the Practice Squad and has not been given a chance to earn his time on the field. The only thing Hillman has done to earn his time is get drafted in the 3rd round.

That being said I like Johnson because he is by far the fastest RB Denver has. Hillman's 40 time might be similar to JJ but watching them play in the preseason. Johnson is much quicker to his top speed and he hit the holes faster I thought.

I guess I think Johnson is the most dangers RB. He might not break tackles or be elusive, Hillman has not shown these qualities either, but he is fast and can get to top gear very fast.

Now this is my take on what I saw in preseason. I think JJ is more dangerous.
4.56 (JJ) not so close to 4.45 (Hillman)

JJ did look decent playing against insurance salesmen and telemarketers
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4.56 (JJ) not so close to 4.45 (Hillman)

JJ did look decent playing against insurance salesmen and telemarketers
I did not say that Johnson ran a faster 40. I said he plays faster. He hits to hole faster and gets into the secondary quicker. Hillman has shown me very little this season.
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if someone started Moreno in fantasy and he hit a home run I would have to tip my hat to that prediction. That would be some fantasy gurumanship right there.

I would think picking up that bkup for the Eagles might be better for a one week rent a rb.
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if someone started Moreno in fantasy and he hit a home run I would have to tip my hat to that prediction. That would be some fantasy gurumanship right there.

I would think picking up that bkup for the Eagles might be better for a one week rent a rb.
Is Moreno even in good enough game shape to be an every down guy? Look, hopefully we'll be playing from ahead the next few weeks so we can get a good look at both Ball and Moreno. Hopwfully one will rise to the top. Ive seen enough of Hillman already and he needs another offseason in the gym.
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