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Old 11-19-2012, 02:02 PM   #26
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Eric Metcalf was a smaller PR fumbled 26 times. Glyn Milburn is about the same size as Holliday fumbled 15 times. Devin Hester fumbled 14 times his first three seasons. 6,5, and 3. He has 5 over the next 4 seasons. I'm sure he has bulked up some since his first few years in the NFL.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:06 PM   #27
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That's not a penalty. There is no "halo rule" any more for punt returners.
Good call.

Here is the rule: No opponent may interfere with the fair catcher, the ball, or his path to the ball. Penalty: 15 yards from spot of foul and fair catch is awarded.

Why are so many NFL rules nebulous? I would consider standing a centimeter away from a guy interfering with the catch. How come you never see guys just get right up on a guy making a fair catch?
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #28
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Yes I really believe when big guys hit little guys the ball comes out, just like you believe that the Saints are a bad football team.

Heh calling clueless republican a-holes..............Saints sucked ass first 4-5 weeks of the season. Get a clue moron, ask anybody you like.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:26 PM   #29
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Heh calling clueless republican a-holes..............Saints sucked ass first 4-5 weeks of the season. Get a clue moron, ask anybody you like.
You do know that I have never once talked politics ever on this board you dumbass? Seriously you are KCstud dumb.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:28 PM   #30
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Eric Metcalf was a smaller PR fumbled 26 times. Glyn Milburn is about the same size as Holliday fumbled 15 times. Devin Hester fumbled 14 times his first three seasons. 6,5, and 3. He has 5 over the next 4 seasons. I'm sure he has bulked up some since his first few years in the NFL.
I get your point but I don't buy it as an excuse. As a professional football player, you don't make excuses.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:13 PM   #31
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I get this bothers people that the ball squirts out when he is down and all but lets be real he is the smallest person in the NFL. When those big guys fall on him the ball will squirt out like a lid coming off a toothpaste tube that is stepped on.


Great analogy. So your saying Holiday is like a bug, ready to get the juice squirted out of him? Never though of it that way. He has 6'2" 240 lb. dudes running down the field full-speed looking to truck him...and he is 5'5".

It's kinda like a 7th grader playing "squash the monkey" with a bunch of high-school Seniors.

Or like a pack of lions hunting a baby gazelle. Sometimes the gazelle gets away and runs back to the pack (Touchdown), and sometimes the gazelle gets ripped to shreds (ball comes out).
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:18 PM   #32
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I get your point but I don't buy it as an excuse. As a professional football player, you don't make excuses.
Well, you should buy it. The dude is only 5'5", 160 lbs., and did 10 bench reps. He is probably the smallest and weakest NFL player (by far).

It's like me, running full speed for 70 yards, and monster tackling my 15 year-old sister.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:30 PM   #33
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Yes I really believe when big guys hit little guys the ball comes out, just like you believe that the Saints are a bad football team.
If he fumbles because he is too small than he should not be playing football. I never saw Gerald McNeil or Glyn Milburn have fumble problems.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:33 PM   #34
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If he fumbles because he is too small than he should not be playing football. I never saw Gerald McNeil or Glyn Milburn have fumble problems.
Then you didn't watch football. I already posted his fumble totals that he lost in his career returning punts.
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Then you didn't watch football. I already posted his fumble totals that he lost in his career returning punts.
So what is your point? ALl I said that is if he fumbles because he is small than he should not be playing. I think he fumbles because he doesn't have good hands and gets nervous. Leonhard is 185 lbs and he hasn't fumbled all year. Size has nothing to do with it.
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Well, you should buy it. The dude is only 5'5", 160 lbs., and did 10 bench reps. He is probably the smallest and weakest NFL player (by far).

It's like me, running full speed for 70 yards, and monster tackling my 15 year-old sister.
Your older sister can rep 225 10 times? That's impressive, can you rep 225 10 times? Putting up 225 10 times when you are 160 means you have tremendous power for a little person. Flip may have a small frame, but he is definitely strong for his size.
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So what is your point? ALl I said that is if he fumbles because he is small than he should not be playing. I think he fumbles because he doesn't have good hands and gets nervous. Leonhard is 185 lbs and he hasn't fumbled all year. Size has nothing to do with it.
So you didn't watch Glyn play then. Gotcha.
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Your older sister can rep 225 10 times? That's impressive, can you rep 225 10 times? Putting up 225 10 times when you are 160 means you have tremendous power for a little person. Flip may have a small frame, but he is definitely strong for his size.
No, it's all relative.

I didn't say Flip wasn't strong. He's about half as strong, and 85 lbs. lighter, than most of the Special teams players trying to tackle him.

A gorilla is about 100 times stronger than me, but would get mac mauled by a lion.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:50 PM   #39
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Your older sister can rep 225 10 times? That's impressive, can you rep 225 10 times? Putting up 225 10 times when you are 160 means you have tremendous power for a little person. Flip may have a small frame, but he is definitely strong for his size.
No, it's all relative.

I didn't say Flip wasn't strong. He's about half as strong, and 85 lbs. lighter, than most of the Special teams players trying to tackle him.

A gorilla is about 100 times stronger than me, but would get mac mauled by a lion.

How many NFL players do you know, who bench press 225 lbs. 10 times, or less? None? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Take for instance David Bruton (a lighter guy, by Special Teams standards).

Bruton is 6'2", 220 lbs., and could bench press 225 lbs. 19 times 4 years ago.

Bruton runs a 4.40. Do some E=mc^2 on that, and see what you got. Pretty much, a whole **** ton of force. Now consider that there are 9 other guys a split second away who are just as fierce.
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Billy Johnson fumbled 24 times during his career. He was 170 pounds too.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:24 PM   #42
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Trindon won't be on the team very long if he can't hold on to the ball.
That would be a waste. The guy is young and with proper coaching his ball security should improve. On the other hand, you can't coach a guy to have that kind of natural athleticism and speed, no matter how hard you try.
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No, it's all relative.
A gorilla is about 100 times stronger than me, but would get mac mauled by a lion.
Because of the claws and teeth, not because of strength. And honestly I'd bet a lion would look for easier prey before going after a male silverback.

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I was married to a skank. There was a good side and a bad side.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:56 PM   #45
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It is going to be an issue when he is down but it isn't conclusive in a replay.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:40 PM   #46
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I'm gonna like the guy right up to when he fumbles away the ball setting up the winning score for the NFC team in the Super Bowl.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:56 PM   #47
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No, it's all relative.

I didn't say Flip wasn't strong. He's about half as strong, and 85 lbs. lighter, than most of the Special teams players trying to tackle him.

A gorilla is about 100 times stronger than me, but would get mac mauled by a lion.

How many NFL players do you know, who bench press 225 lbs. 10 times, or less? None? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Hmmmm, idk. I think a full size gorilla may be able to take a lion.
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An amazing concept that slobber fans will never get.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:43 PM   #49
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I really like Holiday, but sheesh.. he really really needs to hold onto the ball. I hold my breath every time he catches it.
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