American Capitalism vs. European Socialism

[pricejj]

The American way:
1. Rugged Individualism
2. Low tax rates
3. Easiest place to start a business in the world (by far)
4. Innovation
5. Massive profits can be made
6. Extraordinary compensation among the elite
7. Low cost of living (in certain areas)
8. Melting pot
9. System encourages welfare abuse
10. Low growth

The European way:
1. Individual focuses on how they help and fit into society
2. High tax rates
3. Difficult to start a business (excessive regulation)
4. Not as much disparity between CEO pay and normal workers
5. High cost of living
6. Certain areas are Homogeneous
7. Mass unemployment
8. Large safety net
9. In a recession

Obama is obviously trying to turn America into Europe. Will the world lose the most innovative force the world has ever known in America? How can we have freedom, innovation, and prosperity going forward? Would high taxes kill American innovation? Did the American jobs engine create most of the jobs in the world today?

Which way works? Why?

[W*GS]

More simplistic right-wing laundry listing.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by pricejj

The American way:
1. Rugged Individualism
2. Low tax rates (but apparently not low enough)
3. Easiest place to start a business in the world (by far) (yet you still complain about regulation and taxes on businesses)
4. Innovation
5. Massive profits can be made (many times on the backs of the workers)
6. Extraordinary compensation among the elite (and **** compensation for their employees)
7. Low cost of living (in certain areas)
8. Melting pot
9. System encourages welfare abuse
10. Low growth (so you admit we're out of the recession)

The European way:
1. Individual focuses on how they help and fit into society
2. High tax rates
3. Difficult to start a business (excessive regulation)
4. Not as much disparity between CEO pay and normal workers
5. High cost of living
6. Certain areas are Homogeneous
7. Mass unemployment
8. Large safety net
9. In a recession

Obama is obviously trying to turn America into Europe. Will the world lose the most innovative force the world has ever known in America? How can we have freedom, innovation, and prosperity going forward? Would high taxes kill American innovation?

Which way works? Why?

Americans are not exceptional, neither is the US.

[razorwire77]

I'll take oversimplified right-wing bullet points for $1000 Alec.

[Rohirrim]

Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by pricejj

The American way:
1. Rugged Individualism
2. Low tax rates
3. Easiest place to start a business in the world (by far)
4. Innovation
5. Massive profits can be made
6. Extraordinary compensation among the elite
7. Low cost of living (in certain areas)
8. Melting pot
9. System encourages welfare abuse
10. Low growth

The European way:
1. Individual focuses on how they help and fit into society
2. High tax rates
3. Difficult to start a business (excessive regulation)
4. Not as much disparity between CEO pay and normal workers
5. High cost of living
6. Certain areas are Homogeneous
7. Mass unemployment
8. Large safety net
9. In a recession

Obama is obviously trying to turn America into Europe. Will the world lose the most innovative force the world has ever known in America? How can we have freedom, innovation, and prosperity going forward? Would high taxes kill American innovation? Did the American jobs engine create most of the jobs in the world today?

Which way works? Why?

Did the industrial revolution change the world, or can you think that far back?

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid.

Some say ignorance is bliss.

[pricejj]

No attacks.

Looking for ideas and insight.

[Requiem]

Still batting .000, nice.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by pricejj

No attacks.

Looking for ideas and insight.

No, you're not. You're trolling. And a weak attempt at that.

[Blart]

America:

1. Awesome

Europe:

2. Terrible



ENJOY YOUR SOCIALIST HELL, COMMIES




o wait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

Denmark GDP $59,709 per citizen
United States GDP $48,328 per citizen

The difference? Opportunity. You can't pull bootstraps if nobody gives you boots.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by pricejj

No attacks.

Looking for ideas and insight.

Really?

Well here's an idea for you. Stop being an ethnocentric halfwit. Then you might finally have some insight worth a ****.

The only "insight" provided in this thread is you unintentionally setting aside any pretenses of being a bigoted idiot and laying it all out there for the rest of us to see.

[nyuk nyuk]

What I find most interesting is that those who worship these socialistic systems so much never want to live in these countries. Instead we see people wanting to move here from such countries and facing national quota bottlenecks. They simply can't get in.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Blart

America:

1. Awesome

Europe:

2. Terrible



ENJOY YOUR SOCIALIST HELL, COMMIES




o wait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

Denmark GDP $59,709 per citizen
United States GDP $48,328 per citizen

The difference? Opportunity. You can't pull bootstraps if nobody gives you boots.

Europe isn't Socialist, it's welfare state capitalism with heavy speech censorship to avoid offending the spineless.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

What I find most interesting is that those who worship these socialistic systems so much never want to live in these countries. Instead we see people wanting to move here from such countries and facing national quota bottlenecks. They simply can't get in.

Provide proof of a tidal wave of Europeans (start with Norwegians and Swedes) just trying to immigrate to the US.

[Rohirrim]

America has become a plutocracy. Wake the **** up.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Europe isn't Socialist, it's welfare state capitalism with heavy speech censorship to avoid offending the spineless.

Box of rocks!

In the annual evaluation from Reporters Without Borders, the US dropped from 20th to 47th in the world Press Freedom Index.

1. Finland and Norway
3. Estonia and the Netherlands
5. Austria
6. Iceland and Luxembourg
8. Switzerland
9. Cape Verde
10. Canada and Denmark
12. Sweden
13. New Zealand
14. Czech Republic
15. Ireland 94. Macedonia
16. Cyprus, Jamaica and Germany
19. Costa Rica
20. Belgium and Namibia
22. Japan and Surinam
24. Poland 100. Mongolia
25. Mali, OECS and Slovakia
28. United Kingdom
29. Niger
30. Australia and Lithuania
32. Uruguay
33. Portugal
34. Tanzania
35. Papua New Guinea
36. Slovenia
37. El Salvador
38. France
39. Spain
40. Hungary
41. Ghana
42. South Africa and Botswana
44. South Korea
45. Comoros and Taiwan
47. United States of America, Argentina and Romania

Have you any idea how much the FCC censors TV and Radio in the US?

Probably not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-U-K-drop.html

[Rohirrim]

All one needs do is look at the cop brutality thread. I doubt there are many countries out there with so many of their people in prison for non-violent crimes, and cops beating so many people to death, or just shooting them outright. Then you have the Patriot Act, not to mention drone surveillance. A paragon of liberty, America is not.

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Provide proof of a tidal wave of Europeans (start with Norwegians and Swedes) just trying to immigrate to the US.

Yep, from what I hear those Danes in that there Denmark are just lining up to trade their universal health system, top flight educational system, and top quality of life index status for the chance to buy a 3,900 sq foot McMansion on an ARM, pay through the roof for insurance from Kaiser and the opportunity to lease an Escalade.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

Yep, from what I hear those Danes in that there Denmark are just lining up to trade their universal health system, top flight educational system, and top quality of life index status for the chance to buy a 3,900 sq foot McMansion on an ARM, pay through the roof for insurance from Kaiser and the opportunity to lease an Escalade.

And if they get some catastrophic illness, like cancer, they can look forward to bankruptcy and ruin. Yay!

[orinjkrush]

This is where I want to live...the third option


guys rule! Girls drool.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

Yep, from what I hear those Danes in that there Denmark are just lining up to trade their universal health system, top flight educational system, and top quality of life index status for the chance to buy a 3,900 sq foot McMansion on an ARM, pay through the roof for insurance from Kaiser and the opportunity to lease an Escalade.

L0L!

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

Yep, from what I hear those Danes in that there Denmark are just lining up to trade their universal health system, top flight educational system, and top quality of life index status for the chance to buy a 3,900 sq foot McMansion on an ARM, pay through the roof for insurance from Kaiser and the opportunity to lease an Escalade.

Denmark only has 5.6 million people. America has 1.5 million Danish-Americans. That's a large percentage of them. Historically, America has been the land of opportunity even for the Danish. It's not that way anymore. Globalization has "Americanized" the rest of the world while making America less free.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Arkie

Denmark only has 5.6 million people. America has 1.5 million Danish-Americans. That's a large percentage of them.

The 1.5 million figure (source?) doesn't necessarily say what you want it to say when you don't know when those folks emigrated to the U.S.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Blart

...

U.S. disposable household income is 2nd in the world.

U.S. median disposable household income - $31,000
Denmark median disposable household income - $22,000

European tax rates are the highest in the world.