Fast-food chain to charge 5% Obamacare Surcharge

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Good, were the fattest nation earth. the righties always say that healthcare costs keep going up, maybe this will prevent fatties from sucking down the fast food.

Exactly. how about a fa(s)t food tax. the people who eat and work at Dennys are usually the type that end up at the emergency room without insurance anyway. Am i not right? A Denny's tax and a taco tax. I like it!

[DenverBrit]

So the cheap bastard has had full time employees for years and never provided healthcare.

Who does he think has been paying for their healthcare? It's his customers and those who have never stepped foot in a Dennys......the taxpayer.

Obviously his buckets of swill have always been too cheap, leading to more obesity, sending even more to the ER at the taxpayers expense.
People like him have been shortchanging their employees for years and we pick up the bill.

Cry me a ****ing river!

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Drek

What's your point?

That you have a hard time understanding that the line

"the entire reason our government is a representative republic and not a true democracy, is because our founding fathers understood that the masses were not capable of acting in their own best long term interests. The very reason our government exists is to protect these people from themselves, be that electorally or fiscally by enacting minimum wages, ensuring universal health care, etc.."

Uses "these people" and "themselves" in the collective tense? Hence why it is then followed by large scale programs like minimum wage laws and universal health care?

So are you just a weak reader or do you have some other kind of point you were trying to make here? Because your post actually fits perfectly with the argument I was making.

I'll let Thomas Jefferson say it for me.

"if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy."

-The man whose every breath is Constitution

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dems should thank him - as long as these greedy a$$holes and their sycophants "stay the course," Dems will continue to win elections.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[lonestar]

Just bet cartoon boi struck again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Just bet cartoon boi struck again.

Look in the mirror if you want to see a cartoon.

You're a laughing stock.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by chadta

Even if these numbers that you pulled out of your ass were true, which they arent, the business plan accounts for those costs, so as soon as obama care mandated more costs, guess what, up go the prices, these guys are just being honest about it, I dont get what all the outrage is about. It would seem that just like a few of us have been saying all along, you raise taxes on business the costs get passed along to the customer, I cant tell you how shocked I am.

Id bet alot of guys will just add 10 cents or 20 cents to every single item and not mention it, but Id bet most are just going to cut everybodys hours back to just under 30, so now these people likely making minimum wage not only dont get a full forty hour paycheque, they still dont have health benis. The best of intentions not properly thought out achieve terrible results.

you don't know ****.I have 10 yrs plus in the industry. the gap between what a restaurant pays wholesale vs what they sell it to customers is huge. this doesn't include restaurants that serve liquor. the overhead for a restaurant can be taken care of in one night for entire week(that's putting mildly).

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by lonestar

OK what about utilities, rent or loans on the expense of building a store, I guess the equipment that they cook and clean with were free or the tables and chairs then ewe have liability insurance. UN-employment insurance, the employers portion of FICA,
Yep just a few things that are called overhead I Can go on.

But I think I just blew your thoughtless post of out of the water.

About 80% of restaurants that go into business fail within 5 years.

Oh just another expense franchise fees often 5-7% of the revenue.

I know to liberals overhead is just those pesky employees dollar values.

don't be an idiot & open a restaurant in a bad location. most rstaurants that open won't see profit for the 1st 2 yrs assuming they got an avg. location. equip. etc. is covered in the loan you get to open restaurant BTW.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

don't be an idiot & open a restaurant in a bad location. most rstaurants that open won't see profit for the 1st 2 yrs assuming they got an avg. location. equip. etc. is covered in the loan you get to open restaurant BTW.

Yeah a loan you pay back whether you make money or not.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

I'll let Thomas Jefferson say it for me.



-The man whose every breath is Constitution

What's your point? Just decided to throw a Thomas Jefferson quote out there as a reply out of context because you can't read a few century old prose and get the inherent meaning form it?

You know what Thomas Jefferson would say is "wasting the labours of the people"?

Having the highest per person health care expenses and not being anywhere near the top in terms of productivity.

Having a massive military industrial complex that spends more time fighting wars for corporate interests and other nation's defenses than doing it's job defending the U.S.

Having an ever growing privatized prison industry that is actively subverting sentencing laws to increase profits.

I could go on. Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, etc. - All the greatest leaders this nation has had - recognized that the government has a legitimate role to play in balancing the economic landscape for all citizens and picking up the slack where the private sector refuses due to a lack of profit margins.

That is the intended purpose of government. Hence why Jefferson was in favor of things like estate taxes.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

you don't ****.I have 10 yrs plus in the industry. the gap between what a restaurant pays wholesale vs what they sell it to customers is huge. this doesn't include restaurants that serve liquor. the overhead for a restaurant can be taken care of in one night for entire week(that's putting mildly).

I was talking to a McDonalds Franchise owner once and he said that he starts making profit by noon.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by fwf

I was talking to a McDonalds Franchise owner once and he said that he starts making profit by noon.

the success of a restaurant is largely dictated by how good of a location they're in, a restaurant I worked in on a busy night(we had alot busy nights a week)would pull 30,000 dollars in sales.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Yeah a loan you pay back whether you make money or not.

either way if said restaurant is in a great location,paying off that loan,rent,or whatever is the least of your worries.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by fwf

I was talking to a McDonalds Franchise owner once and he said that he starts making profit by noon.

Just curious, what would be the price of a Denny's $4.99 grand slam breakfast or a McDonalds 99 cent double cheeseburger be if they are required to pay union scale wages and provide full healthcare benefits for all their employees?

Is it time for these fast food chains to disappear from the landscape? I know myself that I can live without them. What will you replace them with?

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Just curious, what would be the price of a Denny's $4.99 grand slam breakfast or a McDonalds 99 cent double cheeseburger be if they are required to pay union scale wages and provide full healthcare benefits for all their employees?

Is it time for these fast food chains to disappear from the landscape? I know myself that I can live without them. What will you replace them with?

price would be the same, they'll eat the cost vs going out of bussiness. besides the price of a combo meal has been going up during a time of real low taxes,so they'll raise the price on you regardless of what the tax code is.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Just curious, what would be the price of a Denny's $4.99 grand slam breakfast or a McDonalds 99 cent double cheeseburger be if they are required to pay union scale wages and provide full healthcare benefits for all their employees?

Is it time for these fast food chains to disappear from the landscape? I know myself that I can live without them. What will you replace them with?

McDonalds & dennys aren't going to shut down over unions. they're not that stupid.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

McDonalds & dennys aren't going to shut down over unions. they're not that stupid.

You are right, McDonalds and Denny's are not going to shut down but they will not absorb the extra cost and they will find a way to pass it on to the consumer. They will operate with part time employees ..... as you say, they are not that stupid and will always be one step ahead of the FEDs and their excessive regulations.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

You are right, McDonalds and Denny's are not going to shut down but they will not absorb the extra cost and they will find a way to pass it on to the consumer. They will operate with part time employees ..... as you say, they are not that stupid and will always be one step ahead of the FEDs and their excessive regulations.

they will if it means they'll lose bussiness.

FEDS? regulations? yeah god forbid restaurants be forced to have sanitary conditions in the kitchen.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

you don't know ****.I have 10 yrs plus in the industry. the gap between what a restaurant pays wholesale vs what they sell it to customers is huge. this doesn't include restaurants that serve liquor. the overhead for a restaurant can be taken care of in one night for entire week(that's putting mildly).

Nobody said that the markup wasn't there, but they are not going to just let the profit disappear. If everybody just gave up their money you wouldnt need the IRS, nobody would try to find ways not to pay. They have 2 options, pass along the increased costs, or reduce the number of people that qualify for healthcare, unless they get an exemption.

Originally Posted by peacepipe

price would be the same, they'll eat the cost vs going out of bussiness. besides the price of a combo meal has been going up during a time of real low taxes,so they'll raise the price on you regardless of what the tax code is.

So the price would be the same because all businesses ( which are around to try and make money) would just absorb the cost, but then just in case they do raise prices as we know they will have too, you toss in that they have been going up anyways.

Why do you think they have been going up ? With the dollar going down, buying power is down, the costs are going up, just like when the taxes get raised on them, you seem to understand that when costs go up prices get adjusted accordingly, yet you are in denial that it will happen because of a new tax.

[Broncos_OTM]

Originally Posted by Spider

all kidding aside you are correct ....I am over 45 now and still in dayum good shape ..But I saw a driver so fat he couldnt walk to the back of his trailer without stopping and grasping for air ...I asked him how old he was ...25 years old ....no way could he drive a 1950 -1980 semis ..no power steering ..5&4 transmissions etc ...another was a guy 31 in houston I worked him under the table ... It would be nice to see healthier selections on menues (keep the old ones for fat ass freddie) ....

It doesnt help when ta gives you a free aditional meal when you buy one

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

they will if it means they'll lose bussiness.

FEDS? regulations? yeah god forbid restaurants be forced to have sanitary conditions in the kitchen.

You have a choice of where you eat, if you are eating at a restaurant that the only reason the have a sanitary kitchen is federal and state regulations then you deserve whatever they feed you. Goods restaurants don't need the feds to force them to have sanitary conditions in the kitchen and to serve quality and safe meals.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

You have a choice of where you eat, if you are eating at a restaurant that the only reason the have a sanitary kitchen is federal and state regulations then you deserve whatever they feed you. Goods restaurants don't need the feds to force them to have sanitary conditions in the kitchen and to serve quality and safe meals.

BS, I guess when you get samonella you'l know not to go back to that restaurant.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

BS, I guess when you get samonella you'l know not to go back to that restaurant.

Assuming he survives.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

they will if it means they'll lose bussiness.

FEDS? regulations? yeah god forbid restaurants be forced to have sanitary conditions in the kitchen.

Most sanitary rules laws are of a local nature enforced by local inspectors mostly union in larger cities so unlikely they will be passé unless there is a consideration made.

Most restaurants that have been in business for awhile KNOW that it is a sound business practice to run a clean shop. It usually means you are not killing your customers.

But I suspect that just escapes the liberal mind.