Fast-food chain to charge 5% Obamacare Surcharge

[bronco militia]

higher taxes are getting passed on to the consumers??!?!?

"we are only going to tax the rich"

WHAT THE **** EVER

[Rigs11]

Good, were the fattest nation earth. the righties always say that healthcare costs keep going up, maybe this will prevent fatties from sucking down the fast food.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

But the average Joe still wants to be able to take his kids to Dennys where kids eat free and he can get a Grand Slam for $4.99 ........

And when he loses his job and can't find anything but minimum wage part time positions?

Or when his kids grow up and every state is right to work and the best jobs they can find are $11 an hour?

Then they become the food stamps "takers" your boys love to vilify, only growing the size of government.

The government doesn't make more food stamps/welfare recipients, the private economy providing sub-standard employment does. If they make the jobs then they also make the wages and own the absence of jobs. You can't parse blame on this. The very specific role of our government, the entire reason our government is a representative republic and not a true democracy, is because our founding fathers understood that the masses were not capable of acting in their own best long term interests. The very reason our government exists is to protect these people from themselves, be that electorally or fiscally by enacting minimum wages, ensuring universal health care, etc..

You small gov't. types should be preaching to the private sector about taking ownership for the well being of their employees if you want real results. The government will always have to pick up whatever slack the private sector leaves for it. These problems will only get worse the more you argue for letting the private sector shirk as much of that responsibility as possible.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Oh shiate...... truck stop food is not on the healthy list .................Mrs O not gonna be happy with Spider

all kidding aside you are correct ....I am over 45 now and still in dayum good shape ..But I saw a driver so fat he couldnt walk to the back of his trailer without stopping and grasping for air ...I asked him how old he was ...25 years old ....no way could he drive a 1950 -1980 semis ..no power steering ..5&4 transmissions etc ...another was a guy 31 in houston I worked him under the table ... It would be nice to see healthier selections on menues (keep the old ones for fat ass freddie) ....

[Mr.Meanie]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

What if they all do it?

What if they do?

[ludo21]

this will probably only move up the food chain from these smallish restauants to big corps.

we will see

[Kid A]

If it does work out to 5% then that means the $4.99 meal goes up by a quarter. Family of four totals to an extra dollar for the whole meal due to providing employees health care.

This is not to say those added quarters don't add up. There will be adjustments, growing pains. But, the hard truth is that a $4.99 meal is an artificially low price, there are lots of hidden costs that society still pays for to make that meal possible even though the employer doesn't see them directly—food subsidies make the meat and eggs way cheaper than actual cost, fuel and transport costs are well below they "should" be in terms of impact on society/environment.

And, for a long long time, the cost of that meal barely factored in the labor involved because restaurants could employ people at almost no salary or benefits. But this too had a hidden cost: employers saved money by not giving employees health care (and, yes, passed that saving down to menu pricing), but those uninsured employees ended up on the public tab anyway. We all still pay when those people go to the ER, have to enroll their kids on Medicaid, etc. Great deal for employers to just toss their employees on the safety net for everyone to pay for.

But now we as a country have passed laws requiring that those people be given health care. So the costs that places like Denny's got to conveniently disperse on the government is now more concentrated. Before: we all helped pay medical costs for uninsured Denny's employees. Now: Denny's customers will pay medical coverage costs for Denny's employees. Makes a little more sense, IMO.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Spider

all kidding aside you are correct ....I am over 45 now and still in dayum good shape ..But I saw a driver so fat he couldnt walk to the back of his trailer without stopping and grasping for air ...I asked him how old he was ...25 years old ....no way could he drive a 1950 -1980 semis ..no power steering ..5&4 transmissions etc ...another was a guy 31 in houston I worked him under the table ... It would be nice to see healthier selections on menues (keep the old ones for fat ass freddie) ....

I did notice a Subway at a Loves Truck stop........ they have healthy options.
I have been on a healthy option food diet for several years not by choice but I'm getting use to it.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Kid A

If it does work out to 5% then that means the $4.99 meal goes up by a quarter. Family of four totals to an extra dollar for the whole meal due to providing employees health care.

This is not to say those added quarters don't add up. There will be adjustments, growing pains. But, the hard truth is that a $4.99 meal is an artificially low price, there are lots of hidden costs that society still pays for to make that meal possible even though the employer doesn't see them directly—food subsidies make the meat and eggs way cheaper than actual cost, fuel and transport costs are well below they "should" be in terms of impact on society/environment.

And, for a long long time, the cost of that meal barely factored in the labor involved because restaurants could employ people at almost no salary or benefits. But this too had a hidden cost: employers saved money by not giving employees health care (and, yes, passed that saving down to menu pricing), but those uninsured employees ended up on the public tab anyway. We all still pay when those people go to the ER, have to enroll their kids on Medicaid, etc. Great deal for employers to just toss their employees on the safety net for everyone to pay for.

But now we as a country have passed laws requiring that those people be given health care. So the costs that places like Denny's got to conveniently disperse on the government is now more concentrated. Before: we all helped pay medical costs for uninsured Denny's employees. Now: Denny's customers will pay medical coverage costs for Denny's employees. Makes a little more sense, IMO.

^^ This. A thousands times, ^^this.

It's amazing how head-in-the-sand some people can get about health care. You can try to hide the real cost of a good or service by exploiting labor, but at the end of the day that cost gets pushed to the taxpayer anyway.

Everyone b****ing that Obamacare is some "new" cost is an idiot. It's not a new cost -- it's just that the cost is being made explicit and attributed more closely to the people that owe it (in this case, the owners and customers that require employees/server/etc. -- dare I call it "personal responsibility") and -- in your face. Kinda like a 332:206 electoral asswhuppin'.

Obamacare is far from perfect, but it does that much at least.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

I did notice a Subway at a Loves Truck stop........ they have healthy options.
I have been on a healthy option food diet for several years not by choice but I'm getting use to it.

yeah you see em at Loves Piliots ....Full service truckstops are working on it ...But out here on the road it is nice to sit down and eat a dinner

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by lonestar

I think you are confusing net profits from gross.

Certainly they do more than $ 175,000.00 in revenue a year. But with the expenses and overhead most do not make that much in profit.

BS,overhead for a restaurant is extemely low.80% percent of the overhead gets 2 dollars an hour. the rest get minnimum wage. just to give you an idea, say you have a staff of 10 servers,one table comes in spends 40 bucks. your 80% of your overhead is already taken care of for 4 hrs. 2 tbles & your waitstaffs pay is taken care of for a 8 hr shift. that coke your buying for 2 dollars only cost dennys like 2 cents. dennys as well as other restaurants are doing just fine.

[That One Guy]

The problem, as I see it, is there's no alternative to taking the jobs anymore. You can just go back to the farm or anything anymore. The reason people have jobs with **** wages and no benefits is because people keep undercutting each other to get a job. If the people of the US had enough dignity to not work for pennies, businesses wouldn't have a choice but to pay better wages. So not only are the current workers responsible for their own situation but the only way those conditions will change is if people as a whole start to move away from those positions.

My assumption is that if they stay at those jobs, they must not be too bad. Anyone that's been working at a Denny's for years and doesn't have goals they're working towards deserve everything they get.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

BS,overhead for a restaurant is extemely low.80% percent of the overhead gets 2 dollars an hour. the rest get minnimum wage. just to give you an idea, say you have a staff of 10 servers,one table comes in spends 40 bucks. your 80% of your overhead is already taken care of for 4 hrs. 2 tbles & your waitstaffs pay is taken care of for a 8 hr shift. that coke your buying for 2 dollars only cost dennys like 2 cents. dennys as well as other restaurants are doing just fine.

Even if these numbers that you pulled out of your ass were true, which they arent, the business plan accounts for those costs, so as soon as obama care mandated more costs, guess what, up go the prices, these guys are just being honest about it, I dont get what all the outrage is about. It would seem that just like a few of us have been saying all along, you raise taxes on business the costs get passed along to the customer, I cant tell you how shocked I am.

Id bet alot of guys will just add 10 cents or 20 cents to every single item and not mention it, but Id bet most are just going to cut everybodys hours back to just under 30, so now these people likely making minimum wage not only dont get a full forty hour paycheque, they still dont have health benis. The best of intentions not properly thought out achieve terrible results.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

BS,overhead for a restaurant is extemely low.80% percent of the overhead gets 2 dollars an hour. the rest get minnimum wage. just to give you an idea, say you have a staff of 10 servers,one table comes in spends 40 bucks. your 80% of your overhead is already taken care of for 4 hrs. 2 tbles & your waitstaffs pay is taken care of for a 8 hr shift. that coke your buying for 2 dollars only cost dennys like 2 cents. dennys as well as other restaurants are doing just fine.

OK what about utilities, rent or loans on the expense of building a store, I guess the equipment that they cook and clean with were free or the tables and chairs then ewe have liability insurance. UN-employment insurance, the employers portion of FICA,

Yep just a few things that are called overhead I Can go on.

But I think I just blew your thoughtless post of out of the water.

About 80% of restaurants that go into business fail within 5 years.

Oh just another expense franchise fees often 5-7% of the revenue.

I know to liberals overhead is just those pesky employees dollar values.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by chadta

Even if these numbers that you pulled out of your ass were true, which they arent, the business plan accounts for those costs, so as soon as obama care mandated more costs, guess what, up go the prices, these guys are just being honest about it, I dont get what all the outrage is about. It would seem that just like a few of us have been saying all along, you raise taxes on business the costs get passed along to the customer, I cant tell you how shocked I am.

Id bet alot of guys will just add 10 cents or 20 cents to every single item and not mention it, but Id bet most are just going to cut everybodys hours back to just under 30, so now these people likely making minimum wage not only dont get a full forty hour paycheque, they still dont have health benis. The best of intentions not properly thought out achieve terrible results.

Great post. But it will be lost inside those liberal minds.

Anyone that owns a business is a greedy bastard. That deserves not to make a dime.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

BS,overhead for a restaurant is extemely low.80% percent of the overhead gets 2 dollars an hour. the rest get minnimum wage. just to give you an idea, say you have a staff of 10 servers,one table comes in spends 40 bucks. your 80% of your overhead is already taken care of for 4 hrs. 2 tbles & your waitstaffs pay is taken care of for a 8 hr shift. that coke your buying for 2 dollars only cost dennys like 2 cents. dennys as well as other restaurants are doing just fine.

Servers are only one part of it. Short order cooks make a lot more then that. My mexican buddy is probably the best short order cook in the city. He works at a local breakfast place that is only open from 5am-11am. They pay him 25 bucks an hour. Also food delivery costs, electricity, leasing the building, upkeep on the building, paying for the food, insurance.

Running a sucessful restaurant one of the toughest ways to make a living. Even the chains have a ton of overhead to get good managers, servers, bartenders, cooks.

Oh by the way your an idiot if you think the restaurant biz is easy money. Big deal so they are going to charge more to pay for healthcare. What did you think they were going to do? Just pissed that you will actually pay for it peacepipe? Ya I got you brother. You just love everything as long as you don't have to pay anything for it. You love everyone being covered as long as your fantasy of not having your costs go up comes true.

Forget about it everyone will pay more for insurance to cover Obamacare.

Still cmon you can afford 5% when you go to a restaurant can't you Peace?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Servers are only one part of it. Short order cooks make a lot more then that. My mexican buddy is probably the best short order cook in the city. He works at a local breakfast place that is only open from 5am-11am. They pay him 25 bucks an hour. Also food delivery costs, electricity, leasing the building, upkeep on the building, paying for the food, insurance.

Running a sucessful restaurant one of the toughest ways to make a living. Even the chains have a ton of overhead to get good managers, servers, bartenders, cooks.

Oh by the way your an idiot if you think the restaurant biz is easy money. Big deal so they are going to charge more to pay for healthcare. What did you think they were going to do? Just pissed that you will actually pay for it peacepipe? Ya I got you brother. You just love everything as long as you don't have to pay anything for it. You love everyone being covered as long as your fantasy of not having your costs go up comes true.

Forget about it everyone will pay more for insurance to cover Obamacare.

Still cmon you can afford 5% when you go to a restaurant can't you Peace?

you know the morons will never get it.. why bother?

Those that have never owned a business past a lemonade stand will never get it and even those were subsidized by their parents..

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by lonestar

you know the morons will never get it.. why bother?

Those that have never owned a business past a lemonade stand will never get it and even those were subsidized by their parents..

I just thinks its funny he adds up a few servers making min wage and says that is the restaurants overhead lol. I mean it was so stupid, but so typically liberal I had to comment.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I just thinks its funny he adds up a few servers making min wage and says that is the restaurants overhead lol. I mean it was so stupid, but so typically liberal I had to comment.

Yeah I guess I had much teh same in my reply..

But I still think it is a losing cause, educating morons that do not want to learn..

[cutthemdown]

They aren't morons. They probably are really smart when it comes to poetry, reading the works of lenin etc etc.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

They aren't morons. They probably are really smart when it comes to poetry, reading the works of lenin etc etc.

you are on a roll..

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Drek

And when he loses his job and can't find anything but minimum wage part time positions?

Or when his kids grow up and every state is right to work and the best jobs they can find are $11 an hour?

Then they become the food stamps "takers" your boys love to vilify, only growing the size of government.

The government doesn't make more food stamps/welfare recipients, the private economy providing sub-standard employment does. If they make the jobs then they also make the wages and own the absence of jobs. You can't parse blame on this. The very specific role of our government, the entire reason our government is a representative republic and not a true democracy, is because our founding fathers understood that the masses were not capable of acting in their own best long term interests. The very reason our government exists is to protect these people from themselves, be that electorally or fiscally by enacting minimum wages, ensuring universal health care, etc..

You small gov't. types should be preaching to the private sector about taking ownership for the well being of their employees if you want real results. The government will always have to pick up whatever slack the private sector leaves for it. These problems will only get worse the more you argue for letting the private sector shirk as much of that responsibility as possible.

Our government was structured partially to protect the people COLLECTIVELY from themselves (aka faction and mob rule)

It was never intended to protect an individual from himself.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Our government was structured partially to protect the people COLLECTIVELY from themselves (aka faction and mob rule)

It was never intended to protect an individual from himself.

What's your point?

That you have a hard time understanding that the line

"the entire reason our government is a representative republic and not a true democracy, is because our founding fathers understood that the masses were not capable of acting in their own best long term interests. The very reason our government exists is to protect these people from themselves, be that electorally or fiscally by enacting minimum wages, ensuring universal health care, etc.."

Uses "these people" and "themselves" in the collective tense? Hence why it is then followed by large scale programs like minimum wage laws and universal health care?

So are you just a weak reader or do you have some other kind of point you were trying to make here? Because your post actually fits perfectly with the argument I was making.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Drek

What's your point?

That you have a hard time understanding that the line

"the entire reason our government is a representative republic and not a true democracy, is because our founding fathers understood that the masses were not capable of acting in their own best long term interests. The very reason our government exists is to protect these people from themselves, be that electorally or fiscally by enacting minimum wages, ensuring universal health care, etc.."

Uses "these people" and "themselves" in the collective tense? Hence why it is then followed by large scale programs like minimum wage laws and universal health care?

So are you just a weak reader or do you have some other kind of point you were trying to make here? Because your post actually fits perfectly with the argument I was making.

Out of curiosity if it was up to you what would minimum wage be set at?

[chadta]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Out of curiosity if it was up to you what would minimum wage be set at?

This almost deserves its own thread, one of the radio guys here on talk radio had a good long rant the other day about how there should be no minimum wage, I'm not sure I would go that far, but I can understand where he is coming from, and it makes sense. Id like to see just what the liberals think would happen if labour costs suddenly went up dramatically.

I know a while ago when my wife was working part time for minimum wage or just above at Toys R us, I think she was getting about 9 bucks, but had been there for 5 years, it was her part time job all through school, minimum wage at the time was 6.75. Well the government decided to raise minimum wage to 8,75, so everybody who had been there for less than 5 years got a raise, and the loyal employee who just a day earlier made 33% more, was now making 33 cents more. It was very demoralizing for all the long time staff, most of who left within the next year (most finished school and moved into the fulltime working world)