Late season swoon / and other DPO articles - The Orange Mane

baja · 11-14-2012, 08:19 AM

When the calendar makes the turn from October to November, the leaves fall, the clocks fall back and the Broncos have followed suit in recent years.
Since their appearance in the AFC championship game to close out the 2005 season, the Broncos are a less-than-robust 22-32 (a .407 winning percentage) in regular-season games played in November, December and January. They have watched potentially promising season after season dissolve in their almost annual struggles down the stretch.
Which is why, even with a chance to put a two-hand, lock-it-down grip on the AFC West race Sunday with a victory over the San Diego Chargers at Sports Authority Field at Mile High, the Broncos have tried to add some perspective to things.
"The biggest key right now is to just keep doing what we're doing," cornerback Champ Bailey said. "It's easy to get caught up in things. We've had some success. But we've seen this before. You can't let the little things get away from you. The little things lead to the big things.

Read more: Recent history has not been kind to Broncos' late-season efforts - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDMhtoNY
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baja · 11-14-2012, 08:20 AM

Not gonna happen this season, we got Peyton f'n Manning

baja · 11-14-2012, 08:21 AM

...and we don't have the Mastermind

baja · 11-14-2012, 08:24 AM

Footnote. The Broncos cleared the way to add linebacker D.J. Williams to the 53-man roster. The team waived rookie safety Duke Ihenacho on Tuesday, opening up a spot. The Broncos have a roster exemption this week to allow Williams to practice with the team as he comes back from two suspensions that totaled nine games.

Read more: Recent history has not been kind to Broncos' late-season efforts - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDNyTGSD
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baja · 11-14-2012, 08:27 AM

Mike, I am starting to have visions of John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy, handing it to Manning and saying "This one's for Peyton." Should I book my Super Bowl trip now?
--James Johnson, Denver

I believe the prearranged tribute is John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy and saying: "This one's for Pat." For owner Pat Bowlen.

But as long as you can get some sort of refund or credit, James, I'd say, yes, the Broncos have a chance to be around for the NFL's season final week in New Orleans. The Las Vegas Hotel sports book came out with their odds adjusted through Sunday's games and the Broncos are tied as third favorites to win the Super Bowl. Here are the odds:

He better say, "This one's for Champ"

baja · 11-14-2012, 08:50 AM

What a difference a quarter makes. There is a vast difference in perception and results when it comes to the two quarterbacks who will be on the field in Denver on Sunday.
Play word association and say "Peyton Manning." The compliments likely will follow as Manning has shown an amazing ability to come back from a season on the sideline to lead the Broncos back into the playoff hunt.
Say "Philip Rivers," and the discussion will be a little more pessimistic this season. His team is 4-5. His coach is on the hottest of seats. And Rivers is on track to set a career high for interceptions in a season.
And it basically comes down to how the two have handled the fourth quarter.
In the first through third quarters this

Denver QB Peyton Manning (Denver Post file)
season, Manning has completed 175-of-244 passes (71.7 percent) for 2,054 yards to go with 12 touchdowns and six interceptions.
In the first through third quarters this season, Rivers has completed 153-of-219 passes (69.9 percent) for 1,725 yards to go with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions.
Then there is the fourth quarter. Manning has the second-highest, fourth-quarter passer rating in the league behind Jay Cutler, and Cutler has thrown 35 fewer fourth-quarter passes than Manning.

Manning has been virtually unstoppable in the final 15 minutes this season, having completed 55-of-86 passes (64 percent) for 651 yards to go with nine touchdowns (42.9 percent of his season total) and no interceptions.
The Broncos have three comeback victories because of it, including the improbable victory in San Diego when Denver trailed 24-0 at halftime. Playoff seasons are made of such performances, when any team, no matter the resume, will get pushed to the edge at some point.
Rivers is 33rd in the league in fourth-quarter passer rating (56.5) or last among the league's starters. Both Arizona quarterbacks, John Skelton and Kevin Kolb, are ahead of him on the list.

Read more: Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers separated by fourth-quarter performances - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDTuhasF
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bronco militia · 11-14-2012, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

...and we don't have the Mastermind

....and Josh Mcdaniels

bronco militia · 11-14-2012, 08:51 AM

....and Tebow

Rohirrim · 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM

This is a completely different team. We've been watching the evolution this season. It started out rough. Different elements were not working together. From game to game, we've watched them come together, offense, defense and ST. They've built up the confidence, bit by bit. Now, the engine is starting to hum. The tire selection is correct. The chassis is tuned. The driver is in control. Now it's just a matter of getting out on the track and opening up the throttle.

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia

....and Josh Mcdaniels

Absolutely!

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

This is a completely different team. We've been watching the evolution this season. It started out rough. Different elements were not working together. From game to game, we've watched them come together, offense, defense and ST. They've built up the confidence, bit by bit. Now, the engine is starting to hum. The tire selection is correct. The chassis is tuned. The driver is in control. Now it's just a matter of getting out on the track and opening up the throttle.

Yes but it is still a defense based on speed, populated by either young or old players.

As the season wears on speed becomes less a factor as the speed players tend to wear down more that the power players and the weather turns wintery.

The rookies often time the rookie wall and the old vets wear out.
In this regard the player personal are similar the the late season fade teams of past years.

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia

....and Tebow

OK that too

Maybe it's the altitude

Beantown Bronco · 11-14-2012, 09:16 AM

If we go on any kind of losing streak with the upcoming cupcake schedule we have, that would be disastrous. I know there are no gimme games in the NFL, but we've got a bunch that are as close to that as you can get.

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

If we go on any kind of losing streak with the upcoming cupcake schedule we have, that would be disastrous. I know there are no gimme games in the NFL, but we've got a bunch that are as close to that as you can get.

I know. Just pointing out the similarities to the fading defenses

Rohirrim · 11-14-2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

Yes but it is still a defense based on speed, populated by either young or old players.

As the season wears on speed becomes less a factor as the speed players tend to wear down more that the power players and the weather turns wintery.

The rookies often time the rookie wall and the old vets wear out.
In this regard the player personal are similar the the late season fade teams of past years.

The emotions of being on a winning team fix that. Don't forget, winning solves everything. It's a drug.

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The emotions of being on a winning team fix that. Don't forget, winning solves everything. It's a drug.

STRONG POINT

That's what I'm counting on too.

HILife · 11-14-2012, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

Mike, I am starting to have visions of John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy, handing it to Manning and saying "This one's for Peyton." Should I book my Super Bowl trip now?
--James Johnson, Denver

I believe the prearranged tribute is John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy and saying: "This one's for Pat." For owner Pat Bowlen.

But as long as you can get some sort of refund or credit, James, I'd say, yes, the Broncos have a chance to be around for the NFL's season final week in New Orleans. The Las Vegas Hotel sports book came out with their odds adjusted through Sunday's games and the Broncos are tied as third favorites to win the Super Bowl. Here are the odds:

He better say, "This one's for Champ"

I think you mean.

"This one for all the fans that had to sit through the Josh McDaniel era!"

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:33 AM

Well they're all for the fans but if you are going to single out one person it should be the long suffering Champ who played at a high level every single game, even when many of his defensive team mates quit.

Kaylore · 11-14-2012, 09:38 AM

I'll play devil's advocate here since Baja clearly needs someone to post in this thread.

Fox's record for the month of November is 18-21 and for December is 26-17. That's an average of 44-38, just slightly above average. I will say last season Fox was 4-0 in November, bucking his usual trend of 1-3 Novembers followed up by 3-1 Decembers (he went to the Coughlin school of coaching, remember)

Manning, on the other hand, is 40-19 in November and 37-19 in December.

Going back six years, I found that it wasn't November that was bad, where we are 15-12 (not awesome, but not terrible) but actually December that kills us where we are 8-19. When you consider some of the events that happened in December; spygate II, blowing the three game lead on the Chargers, and even Tebow magic fizzling late last season, it's clear that December is the month with the bad juju. We'll see how we handle it. I agree our team looks more portable and doesn't feel like we'll fold, but any given Sunday...

Regardless, we have a coach and a QB who usually do better in December, so we'll see what happens. Coach Fox is not a gimmicky coach. He doesn't fool you with scheme and just focuses on fundamentals. By the end of the season when all the tricks are played out and nobody's fooled by anything anymore, his style of football does better. I'm not super confident, but I'm not as worried as I normally am.

baja · 11-14-2012, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I'll play devil's advocate here since Baja clearly needs someone to post in this thread.

Fox's record for the month of November is 18-21 and for December is 26-17. That's an average of 44-38, just slightly above average. I will say last season Fox was 4-0 in November, bucking his usual trend of 1-3 Novembers followed up by 3-1 Decembers (he went to the Coughlin school of coaching, remember)

Manning, on the other hand, is 40-19 in November and 37-19 in December.

Going back six years, I found that it wasn't November that was bad, where we are 15-12 (not awesome, but not terrible) but actually December that kills us where we are 8-19. When you consider some of the events that happened in December; spygate II, blowing the three game lead on the Chargers, and even Tebow magic fizzling late last season, it's clear that December is the month with the bad juju. We'll see how we handle it. I agree our team looks more portable and doesn't feel like we'll fold, but any given Sunday...

Regardless, we have a coach and a QB who usually do better in December, so we'll see what happens. Coach Fox is not a gimmicky coach. He doesn't fool you with scheme and just focuses on fundamentals. By the end of the season when all the tricks are played out and nobody's fooled by anything anymore, his style of football does better. I'm not super confident, but I'm not as worried as I normally am.

No I don't. I'm doing a good job all by myself.

Good points on Fox. I feel better now.

Lots of free time in semi retirement. my other option is exercise that sounds too much like work.

Besides I ran out of Colon Blow last week.

Kaylore · 11-14-2012, 09:48 AM

Mmmm Colon Blow...

Requiem · 11-14-2012, 09:49 AM

Broncos smoother than Ismail with fish scale flippin' off the Peter Pan. If you haven't realized it yet, we are winning the Super Bowl. I'm not kidding.

DENVERDUI55 · 11-14-2012, 09:50 AM

We have folded up like a cheap tent because of the talent void past couple years.

Kaylore · 11-14-2012, 08:56 PM

I hope that's why.

lonestar · 11-14-2012, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

...and we don't have the Mastermind

on this we agree.

11-14-2012, 08:19 AM	#1
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Late season swoon / and other DPO articles When the calendar makes the turn from October to November, the leaves fall, the clocks fall back and the Broncos have followed suit in recent years. Since their appearance in the AFC championship game to close out the 2005 season, the Broncos are a less-than-robust 22-32 (a .407 winning percentage) in regular-season games played in November, December and January. They have watched potentially promising season after season dissolve in their almost annual struggles down the stretch. Which is why, even with a chance to put a two-hand, lock-it-down grip on the AFC West race Sunday with a victory over the San Diego Chargers at Sports Authority Field at Mile High, the Broncos have tried to add some perspective to things. "The biggest key right now is to just keep doing what we're doing," cornerback Champ Bailey said. "It's easy to get caught up in things. We've had some success. But we've seen this before. You can't let the little things get away from you. The little things lead to the big things. Read more: Recent history has not been kind to Broncos' late-season efforts - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDMhtoNY Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse Last edited by baja; 11-14-2012 at 08:50 AM..

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11-14-2012, 08:20 AM	#2
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Not gonna happen this season, we got Peyton f'n Manning

11-14-2012, 08:21 AM	#3
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	...and we don't have the Mastermind

11-14-2012, 08:24 AM	#4
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Footnote. The Broncos cleared the way to add linebacker D.J. Williams to the 53-man roster. The team waived rookie safety Duke Ihenacho on Tuesday, opening up a spot. The Broncos have a roster exemption this week to allow Williams to practice with the team as he comes back from two suspensions that totaled nine games. Read more: Recent history has not been kind to Broncos' late-season efforts - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDNyTGSD Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

11-14-2012, 08:27 AM	#5
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Mike, I am starting to have visions of John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy, handing it to Manning and saying "This one's for Peyton." Should I book my Super Bowl trip now? --James Johnson, Denver I believe the prearranged tribute is John Elway holding up the Lombardi Trophy and saying: "This one's for Pat." For owner Pat Bowlen. But as long as you can get some sort of refund or credit, James, I'd say, yes, the Broncos have a chance to be around for the NFL's season final week in New Orleans. The Las Vegas Hotel sports book came out with their odds adjusted through Sunday's games and the Broncos are tied as third favorites to win the Super Bowl. Here are the odds: He better say, "This one's for Champ"

11-14-2012, 08:50 AM	#6
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	What a difference a quarter makes. There is a vast difference in perception and results when it comes to the two quarterbacks who will be on the field in Denver on Sunday. Play word association and say "Peyton Manning." The compliments likely will follow as Manning has shown an amazing ability to come back from a season on the sideline to lead the Broncos back into the playoff hunt. Say "Philip Rivers," and the discussion will be a little more pessimistic this season. His team is 4-5. His coach is on the hottest of seats. And Rivers is on track to set a career high for interceptions in a season. And it basically comes down to how the two have handled the fourth quarter. In the first through third quarters this Denver QB Peyton Manning (Denver Post file) season, Manning has completed 175-of-244 passes (71.7 percent) for 2,054 yards to go with 12 touchdowns and six interceptions. In the first through third quarters this season, Rivers has completed 153-of-219 passes (69.9 percent) for 1,725 yards to go with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions. Then there is the fourth quarter. Manning has the second-highest, fourth-quarter passer rating in the league behind Jay Cutler, and Cutler has thrown 35 fewer fourth-quarter passes than Manning. Manning has been virtually unstoppable in the final 15 minutes this season, having completed 55-of-86 passes (64 percent) for 651 yards to go with nine touchdowns (42.9 percent of his season total) and no interceptions. The Broncos have three comeback victories because of it, including the improbable victory in San Diego when Denver trailed 24-0 at halftime. Playoff seasons are made of such performances, when any team, no matter the resume, will get pushed to the edge at some point. Rivers is 33rd in the league in fourth-quarter passer rating (56.5) or last among the league's starters. Both Arizona quarterbacks, John Skelton and Kevin Kolb, are ahead of him on the list. Read more: Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers separated by fourth-quarter performances - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz2CDTuhasF Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

11-14-2012, 08:51 AM	#8
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	....and Tebow

11-14-2012, 09:06 AM	#9
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,854	This is a completely different team. We've been watching the evolution this season. It started out rough. Different elements were not working together. From game to game, we've watched them come together, offense, defense and ST. They've built up the confidence, bit by bit. Now, the engine is starting to hum. The tire selection is correct. The chassis is tuned. The driver is in control. Now it's just a matter of getting out on the track and opening up the throttle.

11-14-2012, 09:16 AM	#13
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,047 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	If we go on any kind of losing streak with the upcoming cupcake schedule we have, that would be disastrous. I know there are no gimme games in the NFL, but we've got a bunch that are as close to that as you can get.

11-14-2012, 09:33 AM	#18
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Well they're all for the fans but if you are going to single out one person it should be the long suffering Champ who played at a high level every single game, even when many of his defensive team mates quit.

11-14-2012, 09:38 AM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I'll play devil's advocate here since Baja clearly needs someone to post in this thread. Fox's record for the month of November is 18-21 and for December is 26-17. That's an average of 44-38, just slightly above average. I will say last season Fox was 4-0 in November, bucking his usual trend of 1-3 Novembers followed up by 3-1 Decembers (he went to the Coughlin school of coaching, remember) Manning, on the other hand, is 40-19 in November and 37-19 in December. Going back six years, I found that it wasn't November that was bad, where we are 15-12 (not awesome, but not terrible) but actually December that kills us where we are 8-19. When you consider some of the events that happened in December; spygate II, blowing the three game lead on the Chargers, and even Tebow magic fizzling late last season, it's clear that December is the month with the bad juju. We'll see how we handle it. I agree our team looks more portable and doesn't feel like we'll fold, but any given Sunday... Regardless, we have a coach and a QB who usually do better in December, so we'll see what happens. Coach Fox is not a gimmicky coach. He doesn't fool you with scheme and just focuses on fundamentals. By the end of the season when all the tricks are played out and nobody's fooled by anything anymore, his style of football does better. I'm not super confident, but I'm not as worried as I normally am.

11-14-2012, 09:48 AM	#21
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Mmmm Colon Blow...

11-14-2012, 09:49 AM	#22
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,611 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Broncos smoother than Ismail with fish scale flippin' off the Peter Pan. If you haven't realized it yet, we are winning the Super Bowl. I'm not kidding.

11-14-2012, 09:50 AM	#23
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,179 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	We have folded up like a cheap tent because of the talent void past couple years.

11-14-2012, 08:56 PM	#24
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I hope that's why.