Secession petitions filed in 20 states

[W*GS]

Idiots.

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

The money quote:

Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union:"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

Good luck with that, dickhead.

[elsid13]

Guess we know who really honors the sacrifices of those that bleed for this country and those that are whining b****es.

[Meck77]

I'd be fine with texicans becoming part of mexico. Not sure what it is about those ****ers when they visit Colorado but they want everyone to know they are from Texas. Loud ass twangy bastards, wearing jeans and starter jackets on our slopes. WTF!?

[bpc]

Freedom is not paying more than others in taxes. That's a form of indentured servitude and is not acceptable.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by bpc

Freedom is not paying more than others in taxes. That's a form of indentured servitude and is not acceptable.

So you agree that me and you paying 40%+ in taxes while the upper 1% pay <15% is wrong?

[cutthemdown]

Fed is lying no way you are paying 40% to the feds.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Fed is lying no way you are paying 40% to the feds.

Didn't say 40% to the feds. I said 40%.

about 18% income, 12-16% payroll (taking into account employer portion), 4% state income, 7% sales tax

18+12+4+7 = 41%
18+16+4+7 = 45%

The upper 1% don't have significant payroll, income or sales tax. They pay almost exclusively LTCG, which is 15%.

I know you want to remain willfully ignorant of the tax system, but after a while explaining this **** to you gets old.

[Rohirrim]

Stupid people do stupid things. I guess those folks in Mississippi don't realize that without the federal government propping them up, they would sink like a stone. I wholly approve of this motion in the case of Texas, however. Losing them would be no loss to the United States.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Didn't say 40% to the feds. I said 40%.

about 18% income, 12-16% payroll (taking into account employer portion), 4% state income, 7% sales tax

18+12+4+7 = 41%
18+16+4+7 = 45%

The upper 1% don't have significant payroll, income or sales tax. They pay almost exclusively LTCG, which is 15%.

I know you want to remain willfully ignorant of the tax system, but after a while explaining this **** to you gets old.

BS rich people pay state income tax and sales tax also.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

BS rich people pay state income tax and sales tax also.

They don't pay ****ing income tax anywhere if they get their money from capitol gains, idjit.

As for sales tax, they pay a pittance because they spend nowhere near the same % of their income as regular folk do. Most people spend nearly 100% of their income each year (see the savings rate figures). This means they pay very close to the full sales tax rate.

The upper 1% don't spend anywhere near 100%, meaning they pay an equally tiny amount in taxes compared to their income.

Seriously. This is not a ****ing hard concept. Are you really this daft?

[Play2win]

Hope Florida Secedes... but wait til I GTFO first!!

[ScottXray]

Obviously these idjits also haven't taken a History class either.
The ability of any state to secede from the union was decided
by the civil war ( 1861-1865) and there is NO secession allowed,
by law.

Its kind of like the mafia...once you are in you are in for good.
Your kids are in, your grandkids, etc. No going back.

[houghtam]

Even if they could secede, they wouldn't last 30 seconds, even with "the 15th largest economy in the world".

Who subsidizes student loans for college students in Texas?

Who subsidizes the interstate system in Texas?

How many times has Texas filed for federal money due to natural disasters?

And the piece de resistance: What do you think is going to happen to all the citizens and businesses that are located there solely because of relaxed state tax laws?

I hope they secede, to be honest. That way all the rest of the idiots in the south and the GOP can actually see firsthand what the federal government does for them.

[Odysseus]

This is just a tragic replay of the civil war. The election state map shows that clearly.

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Obviously these idjits also haven't taken a History class either.
The ability of any state to secede from the union was decided
by the civil war ( 1861-1865) and there is NO secession allowed,
by law.

There's more to history classes than the civil war. I'm sure there was no secession allowed for the American colonies, by law. The same goes for Soviet states seceding from the Soviet Union.

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

This is just a tragic replay of the civil war. The election state map shows that clearly.

Oregon, Michigan, Minnesota, and several other blue states have petitions too.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Arkie

Crazy people in Oregon, Michigan, Minnesota, and several other blue states have submitted petitions too.

FYP

[swaiy]

So I guess these states would be pretty vulnerable not being part of the US. You know, with no UNITED STATES MILITARY and all...

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Obviously these idjits also haven't taken a History class either.
The ability of any state to secede from the union was decided
by the civil war ( 1861-1865) and there is NO secession allowed,
by law.

Its kind of like the mafia...once you are in you are in for good.
Your kids are in, your grandkids, etc. No going back.

I think you are incorrect since Texas was a sovereign Nation before joining, it retains the right to..

In fact the the state flag in Texas IIRC fly's at the same height that Old Glory does.. unlike every other state whose flag fly's lower than it..

Just as a side note Texas' GDP is a good portion of the USA'..

To late to look it all up, but Texans are proud group of people pretty sure those comments made above are indeed facts....

Night night..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

I think you are incorrect since Texas was a sovereign Nation before joining, it retains the right to..

In fact the the state flag in Texas IIRC fly's at the same height that Old Glory does.. unlike every other state whose flag fly's lower than it..

Just as a side note Texas' GDP is a good portion of the USA'..

To late to look it all up, but Texans are proud group of people pretty sure those comments made above are indeed facts....

Night night..

Don't let the door hit ya...

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

They don't pay ****ing income tax anywhere if they get their money from capitol gains, idjit.

As for sales tax, they pay a pittance because they spend nowhere near the same % of their income as regular folk do. Most people spend nearly 100% of their income each year (see the savings rate figures). This means they pay very close to the full sales tax rate.

The upper 1% don't spend anywhere near 100%, meaning they pay an equally tiny amount in taxes compared to their income.

Seriously. This is not a ****ing hard concept. Are you really this daft?

Capital gains are less because investments don't always make money. They are risky. Take my brother in law for example. He is a software engineer and now works for a company making good money. Wasn't always so though. He tried to strike it big working for a start up back in the early 90's. He worked for only 60 grand a yr but got a ton of stock options. Had the company done well he would have made a ton of money. Unfortunately it didn't work out and in the end the stock was worthless.

That is why capital gains is lower, it encourages people to go for it, to try and make a splash in the world.

You ask me why don't i understand. Let me ask you do you understand that investements are risky and don't always make money?

Now if someone can show me how we can stop a CEO from accepting his pay in stock that is already super valuable, then maybe I could go along with it. I do agree a very small % of CEO in the right position are skirting paying their fair share by taking stock options in low risk, or no risk situations and paying less % then they probably should be. But that is a low % of the overall captial gains taxes going on in the country.

[cutthemdown]

Capital gains is a touchy one to screw with because you don't want to make investors say maybe building that shopping center not worth it right now etc etc.

it should only be raised ever so slightly if at all IMO.

[Rohirrim]

Bunch of ****ing traitors. Get the **** out.

[Smiling Assassin27]

It's all posturing. But interestingly, I don't recall you or anyone else starting a thread or ridiculing the idea when counties filed for secession when W was in office. Was it 'legitimate dissent' back then and utterly retarded now?

Secession is foolish. Nullification is where it's at.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

It's all posturing. But interestingly, I don't recall you or anyone else starting a thread or ridiculing the idea when counties filed for secession when W was in office. Was it 'legitimate dissent' back then and utterly retarded now?

Secession is foolish. Nullification is where it's at.