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Old 11-05-2012, 11:16 AM   #51
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It's because of that whole reminding people of Ed McCaffrey thing that Watt has going on.
Watt sells mustard too?
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Watt sells mustard too?

Watts is having a monster season but Miller is more multifaceted.
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Watts is having a monster season but Miller is more multifaceted.
they play different positions.. huge difference in DE and OLB..

and miller is still learning how to play it in the real world..
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I would like to see Miller in more tackles... It's stunning to me that a defensive end (Watt) has more tackles than Miller who plays on the strong side.
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Defensive MVP -- LB/DE Von Miller: The second-year phenom is not only on pace for a Broncos-record 18 sacks after bringing down Cincinnati's Andy Dalton three times Sunday, but he's blossomed as a run defender, learning how to work past blockers to steer opposing running backs to the outside, where Denver's aggressive cornerbacks and safeties await to close down all available angles.



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Made some great catches almost all if them out of bounds or in the end zone where he could not be tackled.
I think he was afraid of getting hit. Being from the old WAC he was a man amount boys no cb could cover him and he was fast enough no one caught him..

But then everyone in the NFL was as good as he was
Ask him to go over the middle he had alligator arms. What a waste of a DAFT choice.
Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.

Glad we have DT, Decker, Stokely, Willis in our stable now. Back then it was Rod, Eddie (who was losing effectiveness after breaking his leg), and then Leslie. Shanny had to draft Leslie for need and it actually did work out during his tenure. He was no Ed Reed but could have been even better with a QB like Cutler throwing to him Deep or even with Marshall on the other side helping him out... We really needed Lelie in 2006 vs San Fran. I was there and our WR's were crap and could not get seperation or deep.
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Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.

Glad we have DT, Decker, Stokely, Willis in our stable now. Back then it was Rod, Eddie (who was losing effectiveness after breaking his leg), and then Leslie. Shanny had to draft Leslie for need and it actually did work out during his tenure. He was no Ed Reed but could have been even better with a QB like Cutler throwing to him Deep or even with Marshall on the other side helping him out... We really needed Lelie in 2006 vs San Fran. I was there and our WR's were crap and could not get seperation or deep.
Exactly how many of his catches over the middle do you remember.?

I stand by my post for a number one pick at 19 with the following WRs taken after him
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20	Green Bay Packers 	Javon Walker 	WR 	Florida State
33 	Houston Texans 	Jabar Gaffney 	WR 	Florida
both of which were better long term players..

IMO he was a bust..
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Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.
Lelie was really good at what he did. He ran a great go route he was able to out jump the defender and make a lot of plays. The other routes not so much but he was not a bust. A bust is someone that does not contribute and gets cut. Lelie was nto a bust. He just wasn't a complete player and your right Plummer wasn't the best QB for him either.

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Lelie was really good at what he did. He ran a great go route he was able to out jump the defender and make a lot of plays. The other routes not so much but he was not a bust. A bust is someone that does not contribute and gets cut. Lelie was nto a bust. He just wasn't a complete player and your right Plummer wasn't the best QB for him either.

Headsup IMO Lonestar does not know much of what he talks about.
Fixed that for you but then the Same could be said about many folks (you) here.. IMHO

A bust is someone that you draft in the first round (maybe even 2nd) that does not resign with your team..

When you make an investment in time effort and most of all big money for these guys you have to expect that they are the foundation of your team..

other wise why even take first rounders.

trade back and get an equivalent guy in the second for a hell of a lot less money..

unless your picking 28 or later each year for a decade you should be able to get good quality long term guys consistently in the first..

not that mikey ever did that but that is the pox he has to carry as does the broncos..

ashley was not a good choice and yes he made catches but knowing that your QB does not have a big arm why do you draft a long ball hitter,, it was doomed to fail..

THUS a bust.. to have 15 TD over a 7 year career unlike the guy taken directly afterwards that had 31 means some one screwed the pooch on DAFT day in our WAR room..

lest I remind everyone that mikeys 41 rounds 1-3 picks during his time in DEN he only resigned 6 and 5 of those were all picks 1999 or prior..

Now we might have one more that resigns, that would be Clady but the remains to be seen if we do..

BUT right now his batting percentage on those picks is .146..

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I think we may start to see a '"Champ effect" with Von, in that he's so good that it's not even wort trying to run a sweep or screen or anything like that to his side of the field. His speed, quickness and especially use of hands to just blow by blockers is borderline unreal, and he's only scratched the surface. Von is amazing.
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I think we may start to see a '"Champ effect" with Von, in that he's so good that it's not even wort trying to run a sweep or screen or anything like that to his side of the field. His speed, quickness and especially use of hands to just blow by blockers is borderline unreal, and he's only scratched the surface. Von is amazing.
We are already seeing on a weekly basis teams game planning and scheming specifically around Miller, changing up blocking and plays depending on where he is and he is continuously making it harder on teams be improving every aspect of his game - you can't run on him because of how strong he is in getting to the runner, you can throw a screen but his speed and hustle makes that a dangerous proposition as well.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:13 AM   #62
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Miller takes big jump in second season in Denver


By ARNIE STAPLETON AP Pro Football Writer Nov. 8, 2012 5:49 PM ET



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Von Miller was such an athletic freak coming out of Texas A&M that his mentor, former Aggies coach Mike Sherman, joked he probably could have crumpled quarterbacks with one hand tied behind his back.

That's sort of what the Denver Broncos strongside linebacker had to do after tearing ligaments in his right thumb last November. He played the stretch run and the playoffs with a cast that prevented him from grabbing and shedding offensive linemen.

Although he faded toward the finish and was even benched in some situations, the second overall pick in last year's draft went on to win NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year honors in a landslide and made the Pro Bowl, a validation of John Elway's first big move as the Broncos' boss.

It's only gotten better in Year 2.

"I have no doubt that I'll be a totally different player next year," Miller declared after running post-practice sprints one day in January. "It will be night and day between this year and next year."

Even though he has nine sacks, including a career-best three against Cincinnati last week, Miller isn't just Elvis Dumervil's pass-rushing partner anymore.

He's rounded out his game, dropping into coverage more and playing the run better while still getting after the quarterback - he's tied with Houston's J.J. Watt for the NFL lead with 17 tackles for loss, which is two shy of his entire total from his rookie year, and he trails only Watt's 10 1/2 sacks for the league lead.

"I think he's becoming more of a complete player," coach John Fox said. "Some guys don't work on their weaknesses, they just kind of roll around on their strengths. And I think in his case, he's worked on some of the things he didn't do as much in college and that is mostly coverage and how he fits into the cover scheme.

"He's obviously got a lot of great abilities to rush the passer. I think that was evident a year ago, and I think it's evident again this season. He's a really terrific young guy that's not afraid to work hard."

Miller said his thumb injury that required surgery last year was actually a blessing because it forced him to focus on technique and not rely so heavily on his athleticism.

"You really take for granted your hands. You don't know what you've got until it's gone," Miller said. "Playing with one thumb and one and a-half hands, it helped me be more technically sound. Before, I was just moving around, just using all athletic ability."

Linebackers coach Richard Smith said he sees a more cerebral approach in Miller this season, and he bristles at the reminder that he had to pull Miller off the field at times last year, when rookies lacked the enormous benefits of an offseason because of the lockout.

"Last year he was an every-down guy, OK? He had a few times where I had to take him out of the game because of some sort of issues," Smith said. "Right now, what I see, he's bigger, stronger and faster than he was a year ago. Even though he would say he did yoga this summer, first of all, he's got freak athletic ability. So, that's not coaching; that's genetics. That guy's a beast, OK? That stuff is all natural.

"What I like about him is his focus, his attention in the meetings, on details he's getting much better. He's a much better first- and second-down player that he was a year ago."

Miller and Dumervil, who have combined for 15 sacks, making them the most prolific tandem in the league halfway through the season, are a younger version of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis, who complemented quarterback Peyton Manning so well in Indianapolis.

"Certainly, Von has special athletic skills," Manning said. "His ability to run, to cover ground, certain things that he has, you just can't teach."

Miller said there's plenty for him to learn still so that he can reach the goal he laid out for Elway, Fox and Smith before the 2011 draft.

"I want to be a linebacker, not a rush guy, not a pass specialist or run specialist," Miller said.

He won't say he's made big strides in that regard, however.

"Coach Smith, he'll tell you, I've got a long way to go," Miller said, adding, "I've made steps, not too big of hurdles or jumps, but I think I have definitely taken steps to being a great run defender."

Teams certainly no longer run roughshod over the Broncos, who rank 12th in the league against the run a year after ranking 22nd.




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4. Von Miller, OLB, DEN

Could he replicate his rookie year? Well no, but only because heís bettering it. At times last year Miller was nothing more than a pass rusher (a very, very good pass rusher). Now heís a complete player who makes plays at a rate that itís hard to keep up with. His grade is nearly three times as much as the next best 4-3 outside linebacker.

Key Stat: Has 44 combined sacks, hits and hurries on 226 pass rushes. That equates to a 15.6 PRP rating that is the best in the league.


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Can someone please GIF that VM car crash on Newton?

Just ****ing beastly. The kid is an absolute game-changer. Haven't had this much fun watching our defense in ages.


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Lonestar would still take watt over miller without even thinking about it.
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Miller is a monster

Peyton Manning has gotten all the pub in Denver this year, and rightly so. Now that his career resurrection has become a familiar storyline, it's time to remember just how good Broncos linebacker Von Miller is. Miller was all over the field Sunday as the Broncos rolled 36-14 at Carolina. More accurately, he was all over the Panthers' backfield. He sacked QB Cam Newton once (pictured), forced a fumble and had four tackles for a loss. Just as Manning makes defenses adjust to him, and then beats them anyway, Miller remains a disruptive forces even as opposing offenses do everything they can to account for him.

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Miller is a monster

Peyton Manning has gotten all the pub in Denver this year, and rightly so. Now that his career resurrection has become a familiar storyline, it's time to remember just how good Broncos linebacker Von Miller is. Miller was all over the field Sunday as the Broncos rolled 36-14 at Carolina. More accurately, he was all over the Panthers' backfield. He sacked QB Cam Newton once (pictured), forced a fumble and had four tackles for a loss. Just as Manning makes defenses adjust to him, and then beats them anyway, Miller remains a disruptive forces even as opposing offenses do everything they can to account for him.

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One thing that should be mentioned is that Miller was spying Newton on 3rd downs all day, on several 3rd and long situations we actually blitzed and kept Miller back to spy because he is the one linebacker we have who is fast and strong enough to bring Newton down.
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JDR must be like a kid in a candy store with all the options he has on defense.
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Lonestar would still take watt over miller without even thinking about it.
Yes I think I would. Miller is great but JJ is better. IMO

Miller had a great great day. No doubt about it

Please do not get heart broken over it. Because your petty snipes mean nothing to me.
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Von Miller, Broncos D make Carolina's Cam Newton their b****


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WOW. And the easy part of our schedule has just begun! Record breakin time!!!
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Von's safety dance was his best yet. Sooooo funny.
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