Espn Insider: Orlando Franklin is the best pass blocking RT in the NFL - The Orange Mane

bronco0608 · 11-10-2012, 06:53 PM

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Williamson’s ESPN Insider rankings has Tom Brady at second behind only Aaron Rodgers, with superstar tight end Rob Gronkowski in the top 15. Vince Wilfork checks in at 38, and Wes Welker is nestled in ten spots below the star DT in the 48th slot. It is surprising to see that Wilfork is on the list over Sebastian Vollmer, because Wilfork hasn’t been nearly as dominant this season. Meanwhile, Vollmer has been the class of the right tackles in the league this season.

Elsayed did not leave off Vollmer from his list and recognized his prowess in pass protection and run blocking. He wrote, “Is there a better right tackle in football right now? I’d say not.” Elsayed also noted that only Denver Broncos second-year right tackle Orlando Franklin has a better pass blocking efficiency rating than Vollmer this season. Franklin’s improvement from his rookie season has been huge for the Broncos, and they have a top bookend duo in Ryan Clady and Franklin this season.

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extralife · 11-10-2012, 07:14 PM

the real question: why the **** are you reading a patriots blog?

baja · 11-10-2012, 07:19 PM

Didn't the OM brain trust decide he would be a better RG

baja · 11-10-2012, 07:21 PM

Oh and then there were those that said he should be cut.

errand · 11-10-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

Oh and then there were those that said he should be cut.

....and then there were those that correctly pointed out that a significant change at another position would drastically upgrade the OL.

theAPAOps5 · 11-10-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by errand

....and then there were those that correctly pointed out that a significant change at another position would drastically upgrade the OL.

MLB?

Bacchus · 11-10-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

http://musketfire.com/2012/11/09/new...-top-50-lists/Elsayed did not leave off Vollmer from his list and recognized his prowess in pass protection and run blocking. He wrote, “Is there a better right tackle in football right now? I’d say not.” Elsayed also noted that only Denver Broncos second-year right tackle Orlando Franklin has a better pass blocking efficiency rating than Vollmer this season. Franklin’s improvement from his rookie season has been huge for the Broncos, and they have a top bookend duo in Ryan Clady and Franklin this season.

The Manning effect.

swaiy · 11-10-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

MLB?

BAZINGA!

Doggcow · 11-10-2012, 11:40 PM

manning effect

BroncoBuff · 11-10-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

Didn't the OM brain trust decide he would be a better RG

Yes we did (LG actually, Kuper is RG).

Weird ... I don't think this guy is tapped into conventional wisdom, or perhaps any kind of wisdom. If Franklin were playing that well, Fox and others would be singing his praises.

theAPAOps5 · 11-10-2012, 11:54 PM

So then by using the logic that the coaches aren't singing the praises of the OL they are bad. Well I guess that means they all suck except Clady.

Drek · 11-11-2012, 05:25 AM

I have a hard time with any measurement claiming Franklin is the best pass blocking RT would then say someone else is the best overall RT. Franklin is clearly a superior run blocker, so while he's come a long ways as a pass blocker and is getting a nice bump from Manning I just have a hard time putting faith in a metric that underrates his run blocking relative to his pass blocking skills.

Anyhow, Franklin's biggest problem at this point is Orlando Franklin. He's handled pretty much all of his match ups quite well this season, its the penalties that drag down his overall level of play. When he gets that under control he'll be an elite RT.

cutthemdown · 11-11-2012, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

Didn't the OM brain trust decide he would be a better RG

There is a reason why we are fans and not coaches.

TheReverend · 11-11-2012, 06:14 AM

Franklins doing great. Not about Franklin but re:topic

I don't understand why people keep trying with these metrics.

Time and time again they've been humiliated because there's too many variables influencing ceteris Paribus.

DivineLegion · 11-11-2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

Didn't the OM brain trust decide he would be a better RG

To be fair Baja much of that stemed from deep mistrust in Zane Beadles. Honestly, did you see Zane blossoming like this in his third season? I'll be honest, I didn't. Even as a huge proponent of patient player development I never saw this coming. Contextually the Manes arguments were reasonable, and if I'm not mistaken fueled further by a speculative John Fox comment where he suggested the potential shift. Plus, when SoCal isn't drooling over a Broncos draft pick from the U I get worried. Naw wadda mean?

errand · 11-11-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

The Manning effect.

This^

And yet oddly enough when people on here were told he would make those around him better it was met with belly grabbing, knee slapping, milk shooting out the nose laughter by those who thought it was stupid to bring him here.

Punisher · 11-11-2012, 09:00 AM

Oh No patriots blog jinx

TheReverend · 11-11-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by errand

This^

And yet oddly enough when people on here were told he would make those around him better it was met with belly grabbing, knee slapping, milk shooting out the nose laughter by those who thought it was stupid to bring him here.

Everyone knew Peyton and his release would improve things.

To an extent.

OTOH You're too myopic and incapable to notice that someone like Beadles is getting to, making and finishing blocks where he's been blown off the snap before. Or how much stronger we are at C with Koppen instead of Walton.

Things like that have nothing to do with Manning son.

errand · 11-11-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Everyone knew Peyton and his release would improve things.

To an extent.

OTOH You're too myopic and incapable to notice that someone like Beadles is getting to, making and finishing blocks where he's been blown off the snap before. Or how much stronger we are at C with Koppen instead of Walton.

Things like that have nothing to do with Manning son.

Aww, bull****! We had numerous clowns on here (friends of yours, of course) who said this team was full of non-talented players who wouldn't be able to protect Manning, or catch his passes, or stop opposing offenses from scoring....and scoffed at the idea that a QB with his ability would make those around him better...but these same morons thought some crude version of Alley Oop could.

Koppen is an upgrade, nobody said he wasn't.....but you're still too butt hurt by the dumping of your hero from UF to see that Peyton being a perfectionist and having higher standards is contagious to his teammates.

He holds them accountable because he's a much better leader who commands respect and demands nothing but the very best out of himself and his team mates.

Guys like Thomas and Decker while still making the occasional mistake are head and shoulders better than they were when they had cro-magnon clown throwing the ****ing ball to and mentoring them.

fontaine · 11-11-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Everyone knew Peyton and his release would improve things.

To an extent.

OTOH You're too myopic and incapable to notice that someone like Beadles is getting to, making and finishing blocks where he's been blown off the snap before. Or how much stronger we are at C with Koppen instead of Walton.

Things like that have nothing to do with Manning son.

Exactly.

Manning does have a quick release and gets rid of the ball in a hurry. But there have been plenty of plays - when we've been behind - when the OL has had to pass protect for longer than 2.5 seconds.

The Broncos are among the league leaders in passes thrown over 20 yards and that doesn't happen with quick dump off passes. Combine that with the number of times we're passing the ball (compared to last year) then the OL has individually improved.

Beadles in particular doesn't get blown up in the run game like he used to. He still has the occasional play where the just whiffs but those have been far fewer.

One of the big things has been another full offseason of conditioning and working hard compared to last year where these guys didn't have that opportunity.

fontaine · 11-11-2012, 09:52 AM

The way this offense is run says more about the OL in pass protection than any stat.

1. We routinely pass the ball 30+ times a game.
2. We don't run max protect fronts to protect Manning. We'll keep a RB in there to block but you don't see us really going with 6+ blockers unless it's an overloaded blitz.

That says more about how the coaches feel the OL is performing because if the pass protection wasn't good enough then you'd see a lot more max protect fronts and not passing the ball as often with 5/7 step drops.

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11-10-2012, 07:14 PM	#2
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,897	the real question: why the **** are you reading a patriots blog?

11-10-2012, 07:19 PM	#3
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,872 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Didn't the OM brain trust decide he would be a better RG

11-10-2012, 07:21 PM	#4
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,872 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Oh and then there were those that said he should be cut.

11-10-2012, 11:40 PM	#9
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,299 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	manning effect

11-10-2012, 11:54 PM	#11
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	So then by using the logic that the coaches aren't singing the praises of the OL they are bad. Well I guess that means they all suck except Clady.

11-11-2012, 05:25 AM	#12
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	I have a hard time with any measurement claiming Franklin is the best pass blocking RT would then say someone else is the best overall RT. Franklin is clearly a superior run blocker, so while he's come a long ways as a pass blocker and is getting a nice bump from Manning I just have a hard time putting faith in a metric that underrates his run blocking relative to his pass blocking skills. Anyhow, Franklin's biggest problem at this point is Orlando Franklin. He's handled pretty much all of his match ups quite well this season, its the penalties that drag down his overall level of play. When he gets that under control he'll be an elite RT.

11-11-2012, 06:14 AM	#14
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,990 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Franklins doing great. Not about Franklin but re:topic I don't understand why people keep trying with these metrics. Time and time again they've been humiliated because there's too many variables influencing ceteris Paribus.

11-11-2012, 09:00 AM	#17
Punisher ® You Tell The NFL! We're coming for That Belt! WOOOOO® Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Broncos Video Vault Posts: 6,628 Adopt-a-Bronco: i4jelway7	Oh No patriots blog jinx

11-11-2012, 09:52 AM	#21
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,425	The way this offense is run says more about the OL in pass protection than any stat. 1. We routinely pass the ball 30+ times a game. 2. We don't run max protect fronts to protect Manning. We'll keep a RB in there to block but you don't see us really going with 6+ blockers unless it's an overloaded blitz. That says more about how the coaches feel the OL is performing because if the pass protection wasn't good enough then you'd see a lot more max protect fronts and not passing the ball as often with 5/7 step drops.