Are there any consequences?

[manchambo]

Fox News lied to its audience throughout the entire election. They told them that Obama is wildly unpopular and Romney would win easily. Rove, Krauthammer, Dick Morris and others were just spectacularly wrong. And Rove is now on every day to provide "expert" analysis on what happened. He made a complete fool of himself on election night. How wrong would he have to be to lose credibility with these people? At what point would the Fox News audience be unhappy with Fox for lying nonstop to their faces?

[baja]

No they will tell them this is God's work.

Obama had to win to fill the anti Christ prophecy

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Fox News lied to its audience throughout the entire election. They told them that Obama is wildly unpopular and Romney would win easily. Rove, Krauthammer, Dick Morris and others were just spectacularly wrong. And Rove is now on every day to provide "expert" analysis on what happened. He made a complete fool of himself on election night. How wrong would he have to be to lose credibility with these people? At what point would the Fox News audience be unhappy with Fox for lying nonstop to their faces?

Can't get those that "should"want credibility to seek it if they refuse to get out of that Fox News spin bubble. Some folks happily want to stay uniformed or do want to deal with reality. How Rove is still employed by them is mind boggling.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Fox News lied to its audience throughout the entire election. They told them that Obama is wildly unpopular and Romney would win easily. Rove, Krauthammer, Dick Morris and others were just spectacularly wrong. And Rove is now on every day to provide "expert" analysis on what happened. He made a complete fool of himself on election night. How wrong would he have to be to lose credibility with these people? At what point would the Fox News audience be unhappy with Fox for lying nonstop to their faces?

They apparently need to be lied to, reality is more than they can handle. Limbaugh has been a lying, misogynist hypocrite for years, but the idiots still flock to him and he influences the far right just like Coulter does.

They'll get around to blaming Romney for not being extremist enough.

[houghtam]

As long as Republicans refuse to believe in mathematics, there will be no consequences, because they are telling their viewership exactly what they want to hear.

A perfect example of this was watching Kaylore, That One Guy, a few others, and most notably ColoradoDarin in the Election Day! thread. They kept saying things like, "why are we talking about polls when people are already voting?" and "I think we win Ohio because my sources tell me Democratic turnout is lower and Republican turnout is higher than in 2008."

That's what they wanted to hear, regardless of whether simple math (I'm talking 9th grade algebra and first year college statistics) shows them they are wrong.

It's a fundamental problem with the right these days, IMO. They're the ones who laugh about the lack of substance of "Hope and Change", yet when it comes to real, knowable things such as whether icebergs are melting, whether ocean levels are rising, whether voter fraud is an actual problem, whether the earth is older than 10,000 years, or whether an aggregate of polling methods provides a more accurate answer than one or two with flawed polling methods or "internal polling", they continually believe what they want to, regardless of facts and figures punching them right in the face.

This election, because of all those factors, should have proven once and for all the folly of favoring faith over fact.

Somehow I doubt anything changes for them.

[Rohirrim]

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by houghtam

This election, because of all those factors, should have proven once and for all the folly of favoring faith over fact.

This sentence is pretty ironic.

Obama has driven up a deficit larger than any president has in the past, and yet he got re-elected on a "it's going to get better" platform.

Faith over fact...no?

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

This sentence is pretty ironic.

Obama has driven up a deficit larger than any president has in the past, and yet he got re-elected on a "it's going to get better" platform.

Faith over fact...no?

Apparently someone doesn't read the CBO or TPC research. The "it's going to get better" platform IS based on fact.

[Taco John]

Of course there are consequences. They lost the election, and not only that, they lost it losing 2 million voters since the last one. Of course, same goes for the other side - only they lost about 7 million votes from the last time around and still won.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by houghtam

As long as Republicans refuse to believe in mathematics, there will be no consequences, because they are telling their viewership exactly what they want to hear.

A perfect example of this was watching Kaylore, That One Guy, a few others, and most notably ColoradoDarin in the Election Day! thread. They kept saying things like, "why are we talking about polls when people are already voting?" and "I think we win Ohio because my sources tell me Democratic turnout is lower and Republican turnout is higher than in 2008."

That's what they wanted to hear, regardless of whether simple math (I'm talking 9th grade algebra and first year college statistics) shows them they are wrong.

It's a fundamental problem with the right these days, IMO. They're the ones who laugh about the lack of substance of "Hope and Change", yet when it comes to real, knowable things such as whether icebergs are melting, whether ocean levels are rising, whether voter fraud is an actual problem, whether the earth is older than 10,000 years, or whether an aggregate of polling methods provides a more accurate answer than one or two with flawed polling methods or "internal polling", they continually believe what they want to, regardless of facts and figures punching them right in the face.

This election, because of all those factors, should have proven once and for all the folly of favoring faith over fact.

Somehow I doubt anything changes for them.

Well said.....................

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

This sentence is pretty ironic.

Obama has driven up a deficit larger than any president has in the past, and yet he got re-elected on a "it's going to get better" platform.

Faith over fact...no?

Quit making Missourians look stupid.............you know damn well a very large portion of that defecit was and is still cleaning up the mess of the greatest recession in history next to the great depression.

Pull your head out ...your side's policies suck ass or they would have won.........

[BowlenBall]

Originally Posted by houghtam

As long as Republicans refuse to believe in mathematics, there will be no consequences, because they are telling their viewership exactly what they want to hear.

A perfect example of this was watching Kaylore, That One Guy, a few others, and most notably ColoradoDarin in the Election Day! thread. They kept saying things like, "why are we talking about polls when people are already voting?" and "I think we win Ohio because my sources tell me Democratic turnout is lower and Republican turnout is higher than in 2008."

That's what they wanted to hear, regardless of whether simple math (I'm talking 9th grade algebra and first year college statistics) shows them they are wrong.

It's a fundamental problem with the right these days, IMO. They're the ones who laugh about the lack of substance of "Hope and Change", yet when it comes to real, knowable things such as whether icebergs are melting, whether ocean levels are rising, whether voter fraud is an actual problem, whether the earth is older than 10,000 years, or whether an aggregate of polling methods provides a more accurate answer than one or two with flawed polling methods or "internal polling", they continually believe what they want to, regardless of facts and figures punching them right in the face.

This election, because of all those factors, should have proven once and for all the folly of favoring faith over fact.

Somehow I doubt anything changes for them.

Nice post... but you forgot to add "thinks the deficit can be balanced by cutting taxes for the rich".

Basically, the republican party is math- and science-challenged, and proud of it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

This sentence is pretty ironic.

Obama has driven up a deficit larger than any president has in the past, and yet he got re-elected on a "it's going to get better" platform.

Faith over fact...no?

^

Speaking of the Fox News audience...

Good Lord, you're an embarrassment.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted is fast becoming one of the most despised election officials in the country for his many attempts to restrict early voting and throw out legitimate provisional ballots. He’s also alienating federal judges left and right. After Husted issued a last-minute directive that could invalidate thousands of Ohioans’ votes, US District Judge Algenon Marbley did not bother to hide his impatience with the secretary’s hijinks.

Judge Blasts Ohio’s Last Minute Disenfranchisement Effort: ‘I Don’t Want To See Democracy Die In The Darkness’

[Rohirrim]

The next big fight will be the Right trying to apportion electors to congressional districts. Since they've gerrymandered the hell out of many states in order to keep their dominance in the House, this would almost automatically give them the WH as well, without having to change their ideology one iota. BTW, they lost the popular vote in the House as well, but because of their gerrymandering of districts, they keep control, bypassing the will of the people.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...eaker-boehner/

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Of course there are consequences. They lost the election, and not only that, they lost it losing 2 million voters since the last one. Of course, same goes for the other side - only they lost about 7 million votes from the last time around and still won.

But none of those are consequences for Fox News. As a matter of fact they will probably make more money in the next four years than if Romney had won. The consequences should be that, having been spectacularly wrong, Fox News would lose credibility with its viewers. But that unfortunately will not happen.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by manchambo

But none of those are consequences for Fox News. As a matter of fact they will probably make more money in the next four years than if Romney had won. The consequences should be that, having been spectacularly wrong, Fox News would lose credibility with its viewers. But that unfortunately will not happen.

This is good news for Democrats.

"Stay the course," Fox!

[nyuk nyuk]

Obama lost 7 million votes from last election to this one. Would you all say this meant Obama was BMOC?

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

^

Speaking of the Fox News audience...

Good Lord, you're an embarrassment.

In other words, he made a factually accurate statement and your only defense was a drive by Fox News slur. I must give you today's golf clap for originality.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...eaker-boehner/

Without ThinkProgress, where would America's intellectual knowledge arise? Without these guys, I for one would be stumbling around blindly in the dark without a light upon my path for my frightened feet to tread upon.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Quit making Missourians look stupid.............you know damn well a very large portion of that defecit was and is still cleaning up the mess of the greatest recession in history next to the great depression.

Pull your head out ...your side's policies suck ass or they would have won.........

Your boy lost 7 million votes since last election. Such cockiness is idiotic.

And it's spelled DEFICIT, you brainiac.

Instead of spiking the football and pretending that you have the world at your back (you did this in 09 and it exploded in your face in 10), you need to be asking why so many jumped ship and what you can do in '16 besides construct more Republican vote-blocking conspiracy theories to explain your losses.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

In other words, he made a factually accurate statement and your only defense was a drive by Fox News slur.

You and your fellow Fox moon bats wouldn't know a "factually accurate statement" from a gopher hole.

This election is all the proof anyone with the brains God gave a dust mite could possibly need.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Your boy lost 7 million votes since last election.

I know arithmetic has no place inside the cocoon you inhabit, but how do you figure this?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bad news for right-wing bubble dwellers...

Demographics as political destiny

By Greg Sargent

Peter Beinart, reflecting on the spectacular electoral success of Obama’s bet on America’s changing demographics, makes a bold prediction:

Four years ago, it looked possible that Barack Obama’s election heralded a new era of Democratic dominance. Now it looks almost certain....the face of America changed, and only one party changed with it....From the beginning, Obama has said he wants to be a transformational figure, a president who reshapes American politics for decades, another Reagan or FDR. He may just have achieved that Tuesday night.

Along these lines, Pew Research has released its analysis of the the exit poll numbers. It is striking:

Nationally, nonwhite voters made up 28% of all voters, up from 26% in 2008. Obama won 80% of these voters, the same as four years ago.

Obama’s support from nonwhites was a critical factor in battleground states, especially Ohio and Florida. In Ohio, blacks were 15% of the electorate, up from 11% in 2008. In Florida, Hispanics were 17% of the electorate, a slight increase from 14% in 2008. While minority compositional gains were not huge, they offset a strong tilt against Obama among white voters. Nationally, Romney won the white vote, 59% to 39%.

Romney won nearly six out of every 10 white voters, and still lost. The key point here is that the GOP explicitly bet on a reversal of demographic trends. The case for a Romney victory always rested on the hope that the electorate would be whiter and older than it was in 2008. The opposite happened — the election seemed to confirm that these trends will continue marching inexorably forward.

Before yesterday, gay marriage had never been ratified by popular vote. Now that has happened in three states, and gay marriage is legal in nine of them. The Defense of Marriage Act very well may be struck down by the Supreme Court next year, meaning all the gay couples in all these states will enjoy full recognition as married couples from the federal government. Health care reform is here to stay.

Andrew Sullivan:

America crossed the Rubicon of every citizen’s access to healthcare, and re-elected a black president in a truly tough economic climate. The shift toward gay equality is now irreversible. The end of prohibition of marijuana is in sight. Women, in particular, moved this nation forward — pragmatically, provisionally, sensibly. They did so alongside the young whose dedication to voting was actually greater this time than in 2008, the Latino voters who have made the current GOP irrelevant, and African-Americans, who turned up in vast numbers, as in 2008

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Of course there are consequences. They lost the election, and not only that, they lost it losing 2 million voters since the last one. Of course, same goes for the other side - only they lost about 7 million votes from the last time around and still won.

As of this morning, all the votes have still not been counted. We don't know if turnout was down from 2008, yet.