Obama should have mandate

[ZONA]

Talk about a bunch of sore losers. Do they want some cheese with that whine? Those naysayers are not only pathetic, they're dead wrong. Who says you need to win by 15 points to have a mandate? When the Supreme Court appointed George W. Bush president in 2000, Republicans insisted he had a mandate. President Obama didn't need the help of the Supreme Court. He won the election on his own. That's a mandate. With Florida, he won the electoral vote by 332 to 206. That's a mandate. Without Florida, he still won big, with 303 electoral votes. That's a mandate. He beat Romney in the popular vote by almost 3 million. That's a mandate.


Excellent article. It's time for the Republicans to put pressure on John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. Time for them to rid themselves of that ugly wart on their finger named Rove. While they're at it, time to remove Grover as well. I mean, they didn't invite Bush and Chaney to the dance this year so they are making progress. Just a little more work to do fellas. Get some Republicans in power that want to WORK and not just do nothing and say NO to the MAJORITY of Americans.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...1504869.column

[Rohirrim]

I think the Republicans are too far gone, living on their little Fantasy Island, to see what just happened.

[houghtam]

Like Bill Maher said, if we're going to label the 10 swing states the deciders of the election, Obama went 10 for 10 in them. That's a pretty clear mandate.

Of course, GWB thought he had a mandate too, and his elections were even closer.

[Rohirrim]

Like Nate Silver said, if things hold true until 2016, the Dems will be sitting on a 285 electoral vote lead before the campaigns even start. If that doesn't wake up the GOP to stop their insanity, nothing will. Keep in mind, the Republicans were crowing to anybody who would listen that the economy would sink Obama. It didn't. What's that mean? It means the majority of Americans aren't buying what the Right is selling. Sure, they can draw a crowd of rabid mulletheads in Bum***t, Missouri, but that's not going win them any elections.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like Nate Silver said, if things hold true until 2016, the Dems will be sitting on a 285 electoral vote lead before the campaigns even start. If that doesn't wake up the GOP to stop their insanity, nothing will. Keep in mind, the Republicans were crowing to anybody who would listen that the economy would sink Obama. It didn't. What's that mean? It means the majority of Americans aren't buying what the Right is selling. Sure, they can draw a crowd of rabid mulletheads in Bum***t, Missouri, but that's not going win them any elections.

Is it already time to start calling Nate Silver's polling models into question for 2016?

[cutthemdown]

Its not a mandate 48% of Americans dont like his ideas. We put repubs in the house to fight Obama. he won't be getting his tax raising and he doesn't have the power to get it done without repubs.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like Nate Silver said, if things hold true until 2016, the Dems will be sitting on a 285 electoral vote lead before the campaigns even start. If that doesn't wake up the GOP to stop their insanity, nothing will. Keep in mind, the Republicans were crowing to anybody who would listen that the economy would sink Obama. It didn't. What's that mean? It means the majority of Americans aren't buying what the Right is selling. Sure, they can draw a crowd of rabid mulletheads in Bum***t, Missouri, but that's not going win them any elections.

Repubs will close ranks on taxes, open up on immigration, problem solved. Right now though all they have to do is hold firm on taxes, Obama has to deal.

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Repubs will close ranks on taxes, open up on immigration, problem solved. Right now though all they have to do is hold firm on taxes, Obama has to deal.

If Obama doesn't cave and the ensuing recession from going over the cliff happens, business and wall street will be hurt, as well as the general public. They will then put pressure on the GOP to cave and solve the problem. The Bush cuts for the rich will be gone and won't be able to be re-introduced. A cut for the Middle and lower class will. So Obama wins by default. That is the reality of the situation.
As far as immigration reform, the GOP should come to their senses, but they won't get much credit for it.

It would behoove the GOP to cave now and not cause another recession which will be the issue in 2014.

[ant1999e]

It's time for both sides to meet in the middle and give a little. We all need to sacrifice and "do our fair share".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

It's time for both sides to meet in the middle and give a little. We all need to sacrifice and "do our fair share".

What that would look like, IMO:

GOP goes back to the principles and policies that made Eisenhower a great president.

Dems go back to the principles and policies that made JFK a great president.

[houghtam]

Republicans can close ranks as much as they want. Doesn't change the fact that exit polls show that over 60% of voting Americans on Tuesday are in favor of tax increases.

Come the midterm elections, the Republicans are going to have some explaining to do if they don't compromise. Obama's not the one running for re-election in two years.

But sure, keep pretending that the people haven't spoken, righties. It's only going to come back and bite you in the ass even harder than this "surprise" election did.

[mhgaffney]

Mandate?

You must be kidding.

If the ballot had had a third option -- neither of the above would have won the election.

Think about it.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Mandate?

You must be kidding.

If the ballot had had a third option -- neither of the above would have won the election.

Think about it.

There was a third option. There were actually 4 other options with major ballot access. All told they got significantly less than 2% of the vote.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

If Obama doesn't cave and the ensuing recession from going over the cliff happens, business and wall street will be hurt, as well as the general public. They will then put pressure on the GOP to cave and solve the problem. The Bush cuts for the rich will be gone and won't be able to be re-introduced. A cut for the Middle and lower class will. So Obama wins by default. That is the reality of the situation.
As far as immigration reform, the GOP should come to their senses, but they won't get much credit for it.

It would behoove the GOP to cave now and not cause another recession which will be the issue in 2014.

You think Obama will call that bluff. The house is harder to move then the president. Because of that people will look to the President to do what he has to in order to get a deal done.

Repubs will cave on something but no way they cave on everything. Right now they are only offering up loopholes but i think they will deal on the over 250 ground a household, but not on capital gains. What makes anyone think Obama has more to gain by the sequestration occuring?

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Republicans can close ranks as much as they want. Doesn't change the fact that exit polls show that over 60% of voting Americans on Tuesday are in favor of tax increases.

Come the midterm elections, the Republicans are going to have some explaining to do if they don't compromise. Obama's not the one running for re-election in two years.

But sure, keep pretending that the people haven't spoken, righties. It's only going to come back and bite you in the ass even harder than this "surprise" election did.

you think Obama is willing to screw his last term just to make super liberals happy? No way he is going to deal big time and piss you all off.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Its not a mandate 48% of Americans dont like his ideas.

The only reason it was even this close is because of the economy and race. Just stop and think about it for a second. An African American beat your guy despite sluggish growth and unenemployment of damn near 8%. That's how weak your guy was. Imagine the blowout in a better economic environment.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

you think Obama is willing to screw his last term just to make super liberals happy? No way he is going to deal big time and piss you all off.

If you consider 60% of Americans super liberal, then...yes.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83429.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...21dcc3dfcf5757

Spin away little man. If they refuse to raise taxes, they will have a worse performance in the election in two years.

Why are statistics so foreign to you people?

Oh that's right, because they don't agree with your views. Get ready to pay more, bub.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by TonyR

The only reason it was even this close is because of the economy and race. Just stop and think about it for a second. An African American beat your guy despite sluggish growth and unenemployment of damn near 8%. That's how weak your guy was. Imagine the blowout in a better economic environment.

No it was the Latino vote. Repubs will give up being harsh on immigration and open a big door for Obama to reform that. Then in 4 yrs the white house will be wide open and the latino and female voters will be back in play. Nothing has changed. The vote swung on a few % points.

Repubs can soften on immigration and hit you in 4 yrs with a latino on the ticket.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

If you consider 60% of Americans super liberal, then...yes.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83429.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...21dcc3dfcf5757

Spin away little man. If they refuse to raise taxes, they will have a worse performance in the election in two years.

Why are statistics so foreign to you people?

Oh that's right, because they don't agree with your views. Get ready to pay more, bub.

no way repubs just gerrymandered they are set in the house, looking good for awhile.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by houghtam

There was a third option. There were actually 4 other options with major ballot access. All told they got significantly less than 2% of the vote.

To have a third option, the option has to be included in the discussion - namely the debates.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Taco John

To have a third option, the option has to be included in the discussion - namely the debates.

You have to demonstrate you'll get a significant portion of the vote to get included in the debate, a la Perot.

D vs. R isn't going anywhere.

Well, D isn't anyway...

Riddle me this:

If people were so discouraged by the two candidates, why was there the second-highest percentage of voter turnout in over 50 years?

Yeah, people were really frustrated with those two choices.

[El Minion]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

you think Obama is willing to screw his last term just to make super liberals happy? No way he is going to deal big time and piss you all off.

Obama already accomplished healthcare reform, something no president prior has been able to do, he will go done in the history books for that accomplishment alone if for nothing else. He can sit on his hands the next four years and still have that as his legacy. All he has to keep saying to America is the obstructionist and do-nothing House is the problem.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by El Minion

Obama already accomplished healthcare reform, something no president prior has been able to do, he will go done in the history books for that accomplishment alone if for nothing else. He can sit on his hands the next four years and still have that as his legacy. All he has to keep saying to America is the obstructionist and do-nothing House is the problem.

Maybe so but he had way more power back when he passes stimulus and healthcare. Obamacare will go down in history, whether or not that is a good thing still be decided. Not sure Obamacare reigns in costs much. Whatever though Obama doesn't have near the power he did back then.

[Rohirrim]

I think there is another dynamic at work here. Wall Street, the banksters and a lot of corporations and billionaires sank a whole bunch of money into conservative PACs in support of Romney. Now they feel that they were led down the primrose path and given promises that were not kept. They will not stand idly by watching Boehner and Cantor try to stiff this president for four more years while this economy continues to stagnate. Even if the fundamentalists on the Right don't see a mandate (hey, they didn't see the polls either!), businessmen and bankers are far more pragmatic as a rule. They see that Romney put forward an agenda that was rejected by the people. They're not going to keep throwing good money after bad. Boehner, and the rest of the Republican leadership are going to get some feedback from Big Money. And it's not going to be good news. They will be "encouraged" to compromise.

Besides, this election Wall Street and the banksters bailed on Obama and threw their support over to Romney. Now they see they have no punches on Obama's dance card. In other words, he owes them nothing. Also, the biggest support he got from the American people on the campaign trail was for the idea of the rich paying a little more in taxes as part of a balanced deficit reduction deal and taking the weight off the backs of the middle class. He's got no reason to cut any slack on that issue.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I think there is another dynamic at work here. Wall Street, the banksters and a lot of corporations and billionaires sank a whole bunch of money into conservative PACs in support of Romney. Now they feel that they were led down the primrose path and given promises that were not kept. They will not stand idly by watching Boehner and Cantor try to stiff this president for four more years while this economy continues to stagnate. Even if the fundamentalists on the Right don't see a mandate (hey, they didn't see the polls either!), businessmen and bankers are far more pragmatic as a rule. They see that Romney put forward an agenda that was rejected by the people. They're not going to keep throwing good money after bad. Boehner, and the rest of the Republican leadership are going to get some feedback from Big Money. And it's not going to be good news. They will be "encouraged" to compromise.

Besides, this election Wall Street and the banksters bailed on Obama and threw their support over to Romney. Now they see they have no punches on Obama's dance card. In other words, he owes them nothing. Also, the biggest support he got from the American people on the campaign trail was for the idea of the rich paying a little more in taxes as part of a balanced deficit reduction deal and taking the weight off the backs of the middle class. He's got no reason to cut any slack on that issue.

And the CBO says we save 200k more jobs by letting all but the highest bracket of the Bush tax cuts expire than we would by letting them all expire.

Fat cats gonna be payin.