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Old 11-09-2012, 12:45 PM   #26
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Technically, yes, but it would NEVER be written in to a union contract for those types of workers. One thing those folks will always have to concede as point #1 in their negotiation of those contracts are related to any trace of drugs, alcohol, etc. in their blood.....legal or not.
That doesnt make sense.
If its a legal right to smoke weed in COLO and the union says its legal for their employess as part of collective barganing to smoke weed, then all of their union employees should be able to smoke weed. Period. Its legal.
Its just like booze. Its legal, and in their off-time they smoke weed.
Cause they can, cause its legal.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:45 PM   #27
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Well that's OK in fairness, substances banned by a sporting organisation arent necessarily illegal after all so the NFL is entitled to not allow it.
well the nfl is a private org.
so they can make whatever rules they want .
if the players want to change it they would have to either threaten to strike or strike ,which i doubt they will. plus it is illegal on the federal level those idiots
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:46 PM   #28
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That doesnt make sense.
If its a legal right to smoke weed in COLO and the union says its legal for their employess as part of collective barganing to smoke weed, then all of their union employees should be able to smoke weed. Period. Its legal.
Its just like booze. Its legal, and in their off-time they smoke weed.
Cause they can, cause its legal.
Huh? Where did I say otherwise?
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:46 PM   #29
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There is no "legal debate". There may be a "should we actually enforce the laws?" debate, but that's a different thing.
There very much is a legal debate. The Federal Government is not enumerated to regulate marijuana in the US Constitution. In fact the use of the interstate commerce clause is a loose one at best. further, if the Feds think they're going to destroy a solid source of tax revenue for the State of Colorado and win elections...they'll get the business come election time. We're being a responsible state and there is no compelling legal argument to have it be illegal. None.
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So Police, Fire, Nurses, Dr.s can be stoned on the job if its part of their union or employment contracts?
Just asking. I really dont know.
Yeah, and drunk, too. The ignorance runs high. The law does not REQUIRE marajuana use by all residents. It just decriminalized it to an extent. Don't like the law? Don't spark one. I think a lot of people in this thread would feel better if they sucked a bong. Me? Never tried it, don't care to, and especially don't care if others want to or not.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:50 PM   #31
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That's now up for legal debate. The President won't touch it though in any significant way IMO. It's now a big source of revenue in our state.


umm yeah about that


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Nov 8 (Reuters) - Colorado's Republican attorney general said the state cannot collect taxes of up to 15 percent on pot sales without further voter approval, casting doubt on how quickly a new state measure legalizing recreational marijuana can be implemented.

Colorado Attorney General John Suthers has said that he would implement a voter-approved constitutional amendment legalizing the recreational use of marijuana by adults, although he personally opposed it. But he said the language of the measure conflicts with the state's Taxpayer Bill of Rights.
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There is no legal right to smoke weed. It has been decriminalized in Colorado.

I think all employers should be able to test for it and ban it if they want to.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:51 PM   #33
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There very much is a legal debate. The Federal Government is not enumerated to regulate marijuana in the US Constitution. In fact the use of the interstate commerce clause is a loose one at best. further, if the Feds think they're going to destroy a solid source of tax revenue for the State of Colorado and win elections...they'll get the business come election time. We're being a responsible state and there is no compelling legal argument to have it be illegal. None.
Good grief. You're mixing political arguments with legal.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:53 PM   #34
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Yeah, and drunk, too. The ignorance runs high. The law does not REQUIRE marajuana use by all residents. It just decriminalized it to an extent. Don't like the law? Don't spark one. I think a lot of people in this thread would feel better if they sucked a bong. Me? Never tried it, don't care to, and especially don't care if others want to or not.
I might have confused Beantown. Sorry Bean.
My question is can a Fire Fighter or a Doctor on his off time just spark up a doobie and smoke it in his backyard with other coworkers and not be prosecuted by some union or the state?
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:53 PM   #35
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What about employers hiring in these states?
Do they have the same standards that the military and Soprts organizations have?
Well, currently it is legal to buy alcohol in every state. Yet countless employers have specific regulations stating no alcohol use. This will be the same thing.
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Right or wrong? That's kind of a deep discussion, let's keep it to whether it's legal or not.
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There is no legal right to smoke weed. It has been decriminalized in Colorado.
This is incorrect.

They legalized it, which is very different from decriminalizing it. Decriminalizing it means that it is still subject to civil penalties/fines/tickets. In other words, you can still get a ticket from a cop if he sees you smoking a joint. Legalizing means you can smoke a joint legally and without the danger of receiving a ticket or being arrested, etc.

Colorado legalized it.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:56 PM   #38
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This is incorrect.

They legalized it, which is very different from decriminalizing it. Decriminalizing it means that it is still subject to civil penalties/fines/tickets. In other words, you can still get a ticket from a cop if he sees you smoking a joint. Legalizing means you can smoke a joint legally and without the danger of receiving a ticket or being arrested, etc.

Colorado legalized it.
Do you believe that the referendum created a legal right to smoke weed? A protected, enforceable, legal right to smoke weed?
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I might have confused Beantown. Sorry Bean.
My question is can a Fire Fighter or a Doctor on his off time just spark up a doobie and smoke it in his backyard with other coworkers and not be prosecuted by some union or the state?
What theAPAOps5 said. However the employer currently deals with alcohol should be (but might not necessarily be in practice) how they deal with weed.

Doctors, nurses, police and firemen can drink and get drunk in their own home, but can't show up to work that way. It could easily be written into the next round of contracts that weed would be included in that class of drugs IMO. It's not a guarantee that it would pass (employees may have to concede some other point), but it could certainly be up for negotiation.
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Do you believe that the referendum created a legal right to smoke weed? A protected, enforceable, legal right to smoke weed?
That's EXACTLY what happened.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:01 PM   #41
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Well, currently it is legal to buy alcohol in every state. Yet countless employers have specific regulations stating no alcohol use. This will be the same thing.
Here in CAL most city and counties have a NO-TOBACCO policy that city employees like fire fighters must sign or they will not be offered the job.
There have been a number of incidents where fire fighters have been fired because they brought in pictures from their vacation and they were smoking a cigarette in the pictures and were immediately tested, and fired.

This is why i am asking. Its a healthcare issue to these cities and counties.
Very expensive.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:03 PM   #42
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What about employers hiring in these states?
Do they have the same standards that the military and Soprts organizations have?
Different businesses will have their own rules on how they feel about weed
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:19 PM   #43
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what a pity. could've been a HUGE FA recruiting tool.
you know, it still may be.

If a player were driving down the road with some weed stashed in his pocket and got pulled over, any other state he's getting a ticket for possession which will make it to the teams attention, and he gets suspended.

In Colorado, the cop may issue a ticket for speeding, but possession of the weed will never make it to the police blotter...The NFL random drug testers are the only ones the players will have to look out for.

Further, all of the players family/friends/agents/hangers-on/etc. will be free to smoke whatever they want, so they've got that goin' for them.
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Nothing they can do now. They allowed it to be included in the CBA last year.

If the players really want it, then they can deal with it the next time the CBA comes up for renewal. Maybe by then, more states will jump on board and it might make more sense to negotiate that point.
How many years before MJ is legal across the nation?

I say two more national election cycles
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How many years before MJ is legal across the nation?

I say two more national election cycles
Fair guess.

I think Vegas needs to start taking action on 50 state legalization of weed vs gay marriage. My money's on weed.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:42 PM   #46
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Considering selling pot is still a federal crime in certain amounts, and a private organization can make its own rules, yes, I think this is fair.
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the only jobs this thing is going to create this year are for the government; DEA agents and Lawyers
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How many people can't smoke cigarettes cause of their job? Personally I don't know why people would want broncos players to smoke. Last thing you want to do after smokin a blunt is work out. I'd rather have them perfecting their trade and body than cruising the Internet lookin for bong AVs.
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Employers are still going to drug test employees, and the employee does not have a legal leg to stand on if they come up hot for marijuana and are fired. If an employer doesn't want a pot smoker to work at his or her business, they don't have to. Just because it is legal doesn't mean that pot smokers now belong to some protected class such as minority groups.
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The states of Colorado and Washington have voted to make recreational marijuana legal to 21-year-old residents as long as they only posses one ounce at a time. However, the NFL has told its players that live in these states they are not allowed to use marijuana despite the new laws. Is it right or wrong for the NFL to still make it a banned substance when it is legal in some playersí home states?

What does this mean for Denver Broncos and Seattle Seahawks players?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made it clear that these states legalizing marijuana will not change anything with the way the league handles drug testing and suspensions. Marijuana has always been on the NFLís substance abuse list and if tested positive for marijuana, a player faces up to a four-game suspension. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says thatís not about the change


Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/1...qbymkJcG7JO.99
The employer has the right to screen and ban substances, regardless if they are legal or not. CO's new law has no power to change this.
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