Panthers this week: The Return of Fox

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by Broncomutt

I agree. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend the game since I have to be in Nashville Monday morning. So you and your wife make lots of noise.

most definitely will.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Our best path is to just not lose this week or, next either.

This can't be true.

[RedskinBronco]

To put this game in perspective, here is a stat I just saw

TDs this season:

Bears DEFENSE 7
Dolphins Offense 6
Chiefs Offense 6
Panthers Offense 6

[Beantown Bronco]

wow

[baja]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

To put this game in perspective, here is a stat I just saw

TDs this season:

Bears DEFENSE 7
Dolphins Offense 6
Chiefs Offense 6
Panthers Offense 6

that's less than a TD a game on O for those three teams. The shocking one in that group is the Dolphins.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by baja

that's less than a TD a game on O for those three teams. The shocking one in that group is the Dolphins.

I saw the stat on espn this morning on mike and mike in the morning but when I look at the box scores it doesn't seem right.

I'm too lazy to go back and figure it out. Maybe it is since week 3 or something.

If I see it again, I will update

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

To put this game in perspective, here is a stat I just saw

TDs this season:

Bears DEFENSE 7
Dolphins Offense 6
Chiefs Offense 6
Panthers Offense 6

Newton has scored 10 td on his own.

[baja]

No team has scored less than 12 touchdowns;


Team G Pts/G TotPts Total Rsh Rec Ret Def
1 Green Bay Packers 9 26.6 239 30 2 26 1 1
1 New England Patriots 8 32.8 262 30 12 16 1 1
3 Denver Broncos 8 29.4 235 29 5 20 1 3
4 Houston Texans 8 29.6 237 28 12 12 0 4
4 New Orleans Saints 8 27.2 218 28 4 22 0 2
6 Chicago Bears 8 29.5 236 27 7 12 0 8
6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8 28.2 226 27 9 16 0 2
8 Washington Redskins 9 25.1 226 26 12 9 0 5
9 New York Giants 9 28.2 254 25 11 12 0 2
10 Atlanta Falcons 8 27.5 220 23 5 17 0 1
11 Baltimore Ravens 8 24.9 199 22 9 10 1 2
11 Buffalo Bills 8 22.5 180 22 5 15 2 0
13 Cincinnati Bengals 8 23.6 189 21 5 15 1 0
13 Minnesota Vikings 9 22.7 204 21 8 10 2 1
13 San Francisco 49ers 8 23.6 189 21 8 12 0 1
16 Detroit Lions 8 24 192 20 10 10 0 0
16 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 23.9 191 20 4 16 0 0
16 San Diego Chargers 8 23.1 185 20 4 12 0 4
16 Tennessee Titans 9 20.2 182 20 6 11 2 1
20 Indianapolis Colts 9 20.7 186 19 7 10 0 2
20 Miami Dolphins 8 21.2 170 19 11 6 1 1
20 New York Jets 8 21 168 19 5 10 2 2
23 Carolina Panthers 8 18.6 149 18 9 6 0 3
23 Seattle Seahawks 9 18.9 170 18 4 13 0 1
25 Cleveland Browns 9 18.8 169 17 6 9 0 2
26 Oakland Raiders 8 21.4 171 16 3 13 0 0
27 Arizona Cardinals 9 16 144 15 4 10 0 1
27 Dallas Cowboys 8 18.8 150 15 4 11 0 0
29 Philadelphia Eagles 8 16.6 133 13 3 10 0 0
30 Jacksonville Jaguars 9 14.1 127 12 2 10 0 0
30 Kansas City Chiefs 8 16.6 133 12 5 6 0 1
30 St. Louis Rams 8 17.1 137 12 2 9 0 1

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

To put this game in perspective, here is a stat I just saw

TDs this season:

Bears DEFENSE 7
Dolphins Offense 6
Chiefs Offense 6
Panthers Offense 6

Dolphins, Chiefs, and Panthers all have 6 passing TD's, not total TD's.

Panthers also have 9 rushing TD's to go along with those 6 - 15 TD's on the season.

[Kaylore]

Yeah those are passing TD's. They obviously favor the run. Another stat is Steve Smith caught his first TD pass this year last week.

[RedskinBronco]

yeah as i said I went back because it didn't seem right. My fault.

Anyways, my game plan (as is the same with every week) is to get ahead early and have JDR let that pass rush loose once the panthers are forced to play catch up.

Honestly, the broncos strength is when they can let Miller, Dumervil and company just go after the QB. IMO, that's when the broncos are at their best and tough to beat.

So get ahead and go after Cam...

[Bronco Rob]

Originally Posted by Broncomutt

Except Panther fans and players don't really hate Fox. There isn't the venom towards him that Bronco fans feel towards McLoser. Most people understand the current woes of the Panthers is more a front office mess than Fox's poor organizational skills.

Having said that, there's little love for the guy as well. It's not like he's Shanny returning to Denver as HC of the Skins.

Fox never had back to back winning seasons, but he also put Carolina in 2 NFCCG and 1 SB. The feeling mostly is "There were ups and downs, let's move on."

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I don't really see Peyton Manning wanting revenge on the Panthers owner, either. Honestly Manning gets up for every game. I don't think a perceived slight means Manning is going to "try really hard" to make the owner feel bad. That's not even on Manning's radar.

Broncos coach John Fox is doing everything he can to downplay his return to Bank of America Stadium, where he coached the Carolina Panthers for nine seasons before an acrimonious 2010 season led to his departure after his contract was not renewed.

"They all count the same, the last time I looked," Fox said.

But he knows that he can keep reciting cliches about this week's game being no more important than any other and that no one will listen.

"You guys are welcome to your own thoughts," he said as he closed his press briefing after Wednesday's practice. "I've been doing this for 25 years and have had a lot of homecomings.

"It will be good to get back and see some old friends and revisit some relationships that I built over nine years there. It's a business trip and we're getting our team ready and we'll see where it leads us."

But none of those previous "homecomings" were to a place where Fox had been the head coach. Or the winningest coach in that club's history. Or had coached more than half of that team's all-time games. Or where he still had his family's dream home -- in a state where two of his grown children now reside.

But it seems like some of his players know better.

"I definitely understand what he's saying as far as having to prepare like it's any other game, but it's going to be emotional on Sunday for him," tight end Joel Dreessen said. "Any time you spend a lot of time at a place, you're going to have some emotional attachment."

And sometimes the emotion filters down to the players. It certainly didn't hurt the Indianapolis Colts in 2003, when ex-Bucs coach Tony Dungy led them to a 38-35 win at Tampa Bay in which they overcame a 28-7 deficit in the final five minutes of regulation before winning in overtime. The Colts' quarterback that night was Peyton Manning.

"I think every week you want to win for your head coach," Manning said. "I've always wanted to believe players should want to win for many reasons -- and one of them should be your head coach."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/report

[Bronco Rob]

The Broncos thought they were done with the zone-read option offensive looks after 2011 starting quarterback Tim Tebow was dealt to the New York Jets in March. From an offensive perspective, they were. But now the Broncos hope their defenders took good notes, with Carolina's Cam Newton ready and willing to use plenty of zone-read looks when the teams meet Sunday.

Five of the Broncos' starting 11 defenders weren't with the team last year. But cornerback Champ Bailey was, and he hasn't been shy about imparting a crucial lesson he learned from watching Tebow and the Broncos' 2011 misdirection at work.

"Simple: do your job, because once you try to do someone else's job, that's when the big runs take place," Bailey said. "Watching tape of a couple of teams, one guy has the quarterback, one guy has the pitch. Both of them played the pitch; the quarterback goes 40 yards. You just have to do your job."

It's also not the only element with which the Broncos must contend. At times, the Broncos exclusively ran the zone-read option, only changing when the defense adapted and left the Broncos with no other choice. Carolina interweaves the zone-read into a multi-faceted attack.

"Some of the things that we do are very similar to what the Broncos were doing last year with Tebow," Panthers coach Ron Rivera said. "I think it's a little bit more different though because we really line up and do some more conventional stuff as opposed to constantly using that zone-read scheme that Tim ran so well for Denver."



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/report

[TonyR]

Brian Burke, something of the NFL's Nate Silver, has us as slight favorites:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nt-be-so-sure/

[Beantown Bronco]

For what it's worth, the majority of the local media here seems to have us as their slam dunk pick of the week, even ahead of the Pats at home against Buffalo. That surprised me.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Yeah those are passing TD's. They obviously favor the run. Another stat is Steve Smith caught his first TD pass this year last week.

Even with Cam they're #12 in the league rushing.

They may favor the run, but they still suck caulk at it.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

For what it's worth, the majority of the local media here seems to have us as their slam dunk pick of the week, even ahead of the Pats at home against Buffalo. That surprised me.

Including spread maybe?

My favorite w/spread was Indy last night. Was very tempted to double down on my 5300 from that 8 team parlay last week.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Even with Cam they're #12 in the league rushing.

They may favor the run, but they still suck caulk at it.

They have played some decent rush defenses, including Chicago, Tampa, Seattle and Washington.

[ludo21]

we got to stop Newton, I am playing him in my my FFL.

[underrated29]

wow and this is the game ive been most worried about since the pats

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by ludo21

we got to stop Newton, I am playing him in my my FFL.

I'm playing Denver DST since we're going to rape him so hard.

[Kaylore]

The only player not to practice fully Thursday and Friday was Frank Alexander.

[TonyR]

Here's the requisite Bill Simmons take (omg bill simmonz sux!!! he hates the broncos!!!):

PANTHERS (+4.5) over Broncos
John Fox's emotional return to Carolina! (What? It's not emotional at all? Not even a little? My bad.) A couple of things to remember about this one …

• The Panthers haven't played a bad game since their memorable Thursday-night stinker against the Giants that briefly turned everyone against Cam Newton and led to people frantically selling his rookie cards on eBay like the Dukes selling their oranges stock at the end of Trading Places.2 Their last five games: two-point loss in Atlanta; four-point loss to Seattle; five-point loss to Dallas; one-point loss to Chicago; eight-point win at Washington. And in all four losses, they had the ball with the chance to win in the final few minutes. This isn't your typical 2-6 team just like Baltimore isn't your typical 6-2 team and the Knicks aren't going to finish 82-0.

• If the Broncos beat Carolina, that would give them a four-game win streak with the following games looming: home for Fraudulent San Diego … at Nobody Will Be There Because Everyone Will Be So Bitter and Angry Kansas City … home for Dangerously Dangerous Tampa … at Stinky Oakland (Thursday night) … at Doing It With Mirrors Baltimore … home for About to Fire Their Coach Cleveland … home for Soul-Suckingly Crappy Kansas City. They're really going to run the slate and win 11 straight with The Artist Formerly Known As the Noodle? Come on. My upset special: Carolina 33, Denver 30.

(Win or lose, we can't allow Sunday's game to distract from Peyton Manning's brilliant move a few weeks ago of purchasing 21 Papa John's restaurants in Colorado right before the state legalized marijuana. What a comeback for Peyton! Remember when the Broncos were 2-3 and I was still making Mr. Noodle jokes? Now he's an MVP candidate AND a future billionaire.)

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ing-mike-brown

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

They have played some decent rush defenses, including Chicago, Tampa, Seattle and Washington.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Here's the requisite Bill Simmons take (omg bill simmonz sux!!! he hates the broncos!!!):

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ing-mike-brown

yep, Bill Simmons sucks. get used to it.