Panthers this week: The Return of Fox - The Orange Mane

Kaylore · 11-08-2012, 09:34 AM

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

BowlenBall · 11-08-2012, 09:38 AM

Cam Newton is frightening... a scrambling quarterback could really pose problems for our defense, as Dumerville, Woodyard, and our 2nd and 3rd cornerbacks are exceptionally tiny for their positions.

TheReverend · 11-08-2012, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

They have FOUR DE's on the injury report along with their best starting DT.

4 of which DNP

2 of those are their best 2 DL.

CEH · 11-08-2012, 09:49 AM

Manning and Fox are going into this game for revenge. Fox for being hung out to dry by Richardson the year before the lockout and Richardson telling Manning during the lockout to butt out and stay with football. Manning I'm sure never forgets being slighted by anyone

Both will be primed for this gam e and If Denver gets up on CAR early they will crush the Panthers.

ludo21 · 11-08-2012, 09:55 AM

they have lost 6 games by 6 or less points.

They have been in most every game, just not able to finish them. I do agree it will be close, but it is not a game we should by any means lose. I would be disappointed for sure if they cant beat up on that defense.

Bmore Manning · 11-08-2012, 09:58 AM

Not too concerned about what Carolina brings to the table offensively. Olsen will pose a problem in the passing game, since we have struggled verse TE play this season, but otherwise it's all about discipline when going against Carolina and their rushing attack. The recipe for success is get a lead, force the game to be squarely on Cams shoulders. I'm in no way saying look past this game, but I don't see it being overly daunting to be quiet honest.

On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

Broncomutt · 11-08-2012, 10:02 AM

Being from Carolina I have watched several of their games.

The Broncos shoot themselves in the foot early, then come roaring back.

The Panthers play well most of the game, then shoot themselves in the foot at the end.

Panthers seem to have this "Here we go again

" mentality when things go wrong. Also, while the Broncos have benched some non-performers (Mays, Moreno), Carolina seems content to field the same old trash. Not sure if that's due to injuries though.

I like our chances alot in this game, but hope the Broncos don't get overconfident.

Beantown Bronco · 11-08-2012, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic.

Luke Kuechly from BC......I really, really wish we had found a way to move up and grab him on draft day.

razorwire77 · 11-08-2012, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

Any time Denver plays a running QB with a live arm, I get worried. Part of it is irrational fear stemming from when I had 40 yard-line seats to watch Vick go ape**** at Investco years back. The talent discrepancies between top tier and lower tier NFL teams isn't huge. A couple of turnovers or deep hitters can easily decide a game. I worry about Cam breaking contain out of the pocket and hitting a couple of big deep throws. He can be terrible for 12 throws, but always has that ability to truck a blitzing safety and launch a 65 yard pass off his back foot on third down. Best thing to do is force him to go through his progressions in the pocket and make the short and intermediate timing throws.

mwill07 · 11-08-2012, 10:12 AM

I'm pretty psyched for this game. Tickets in hand!

Rohirrim · 11-08-2012, 10:22 AM

Cam Newton 40 time: 4.58
Von Miller 40 time: 4.49

broncocalijohn · 11-08-2012, 10:22 AM

Cam can't put them over the top in the 4th quarter and Broncos are one of the best in the 4th quarter. Close game but our ever improved defense steps up and makes it a complete game for the Broncos. We win 28 to 20.

mwill07 · 11-08-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Cam Newton 40 time: 4.58
Von Miller 40 time: 4.49

if I'm JDR, I'd consider having VM spy Cam. You see Cam drop back to pass, mirror him and when he breaks contain, stop him right there. See a read option: Von takes the QB.

Steve Smith is the Panthers most dangerous player - Champ will take care of him. Cam is the second - let Von negate him. That's it.

mwill07 · 11-08-2012, 10:31 AM

I think Fox and Manning have this team come out of the gate full-throttle. We take an early 14-0 lead, and then cruise to a 31-10 victory.

or, Panthers keep it close in 1st half - 10-7, or something like that. Fox/Del Rio/Manning find proper half-time adjustments and step on it. Final score: 31-10.

either way - I don't think this will be close.

*knocks on wood*

LRtagger · 11-08-2012, 10:35 AM

Cam is inevitably going to drop a couple passes into our DBs hands - we need to hang onto them and take advantage of the mistakes. Cam starts to unravel when the opposition takes advantage of his mistakes as bad or worse than Cutler used to when he was here.

DBroncos4life · 11-08-2012, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Not too concerned about what Carolina brings to the table offensively. Olsen will pose a problem in the passing game, since we have struggled verse TE play this season, but otherwise it's all about discipline when going against Carolina and their rushing attack. The recipe for success is get a lead, force the game to be squarely on Cams shoulders. I'm in no way saying look past this game, but I don't see it being overly daunting to be quiet honest.

On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

Yeah I lost all belief in that site after the graded KCs OL as the second best in the NFL.

cmhargrove · 11-08-2012, 10:37 AM

Each game is a fun challenege for our developing Broncos. Indeed the scrambling Qb's with a "live arm" have given us big trouble in the past. I hope that our new defensive discipline and team play will help us handle the Panthers without any gimmicks.

That being said, this game is still 100% about Manning and our offense. If the offense comes out of the gates firing on all cylinders (or even most of them), this game should be in hand by halftime (up 10+ points).

It will be interesting to see how the injuries to Kuper, Tamme (elbow?), and DT (foot/ankle?) affect our production.

Kaylore · 11-08-2012, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend

They have FOUR DE's on the injury report along with their best starting DT.

4 of which DNP

2 of those are their best 2 DL.

Yes - Especially if Dwan Edwards cannot go it will bode well for Ramirez. That's a matchup that concerns me.

Bmore Manning · 11-08-2012, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Yeah I lost all belief in that site after the graded KCs OL as the second best in the NFL.

On paper, based on last years performance and the acquisition of Eric Winston, they have a very good looking line.. ON PAPER. They are one of the top rushing teams in football, and with a real QB back there, their pass protection would certainly improve.

gyldenlove · 11-08-2012, 11:14 AM

This game is really all about containing the run game - if we can keep Carolina from running the ball consistently we can force the game into the air which is where we are MUCH better than them in every aspect: Peyton Manning >> Cam Newton, Thomas, Decker > Steve Smith, Lafell, Denver Oline > Carolina Oline, Miller, Dumervil > Hardy, Johnson, Champ Bailey, Harris > Munnerlyn, Norman.

If this becomes a passing match, we will win it handily. We need to contain Newton early so they can not use planned QB rushes, we need to limit Stewart especially to keep them in 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations.

Our defense has to be in their toes and be ready for lose balls, Newton on average throws 1 pick and drops 1 ball on the ground per game with our pass rush we need to be ready to get those lose balls and errant throws.

On defense Hardy, Johnson and Dwan Edwards provide all the Panthers pass rush so we need our tackles to play well, and they have been all year and we need Koppen and the RBs to help out Ramirez on the inside if Edwards plays. Their secondary does not force a lot of turnovers, they have 5 INTs all year and no player stands out when it comes to defending the pass, so our WRs especially should be able to make plays pretty consistently. Against this 43 front I would expect to see a lot of 2 TE plays to try take advantage of their outside linebackers and safeties, all of which belong in the shallow end of the NFL talent pool.

Kaylore · 11-08-2012, 11:17 AM

I thought this was funny on a Panther's message board:
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards...eyton-manning/

Quote:

against peyton manning, a 2 possession lead going into the fourth quarter may as well be a 1 point lead with 3 quarters left and no defense on the field.

DBroncos4life · 11-08-2012, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

On paper, based on last years performance and the acquisition of Eric Winston, they have a very good looking line.. ON PAPER. They are one of the top rushing teams in football, and with a real QB back there, their pass protection would certainly improve.

Games aren't played on paper.

Bmore Manning · 11-08-2012, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Games aren't played on paper.

Agreed.. Just look at Dallas and Philadelphia. I just could understand why they would grade them so well, especially prior to the season.

DBroncos4life · 11-08-2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Agreed.. Just look at Dallas and Philadelphia. I just could understand why they would grade them so well, especially prior to the season.

From what I understand this grade came out a couple weeks ago.

Taco John · 11-08-2012, 11:38 AM

I still think it would be a bit demoralizing to lose. Carolina is not a team we should lose to, even on the road. I obviously wouldn't consider our season over, but we're only one game up on San Diego right now, and they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way. For them to pull even with us the week before we play them again would put our lead in the division in serious jeopardy. (of course, they've got to beat Tampa Bay this week)

11-08-2012, 09:34 AM	#1
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,061 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Panthers this week: The Return of Fox So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one. First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams . The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front. It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.) I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor. I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs. Thoughts?

11-08-2012, 10:22 AM	#12
broncocalijohn Famer of Rings My Dog Richard Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lake Forest, Orange County, Calif. Posts: 18,474 Adopt-a-Bronco: Simon Fletcher	Cam can't put them over the top in the 4th quarter and Broncos are one of the best in the 4th quarter. Close game but our ever improved defense steps up and makes it a complete game for the Broncos. We win 28 to 20. Last edited by broncocalijohn; 11-08-2012 at 10:25 AM..

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11-08-2012, 09:38 AM	#2
BowlenBall Owner. Philanthropist. Pimp. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 4,350 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lucas Reed	Cam Newton is frightening... a scrambling quarterback could really pose problems for our defense, as Dumerville, Woodyard, and our 2nd and 3rd cornerbacks are exceptionally tiny for their positions.

11-08-2012, 09:49 AM	#4
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,211	Manning and Fox are going into this game for revenge. Fox for being hung out to dry by Richardson the year before the lockout and Richardson telling Manning during the lockout to butt out and stay with football. Manning I'm sure never forgets being slighted by anyone Both will be primed for this gam e and If Denver gets up on CAR early they will crush the Panthers.

11-08-2012, 09:55 AM	#5
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,911 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	they have lost 6 games by 6 or less points. They have been in most every game, just not able to finish them. I do agree it will be close, but it is not a game we should by any means lose. I would be disappointed for sure if they cant beat up on that defense.

11-08-2012, 09:58 AM	#6
Bmore Manning Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,725 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Not too concerned about what Carolina brings to the table offensively. Olsen will pose a problem in the passing game, since we have struggled verse TE play this season, but otherwise it's all about discipline when going against Carolina and their rushing attack. The recipe for success is get a lead, force the game to be squarely on Cams shoulders. I'm in no way saying look past this game, but I don't see it being overly daunting to be quiet honest. On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

11-08-2012, 10:02 AM	#7
Broncomutt Truth is.... Goliath never stood a chance. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waxhaw, NC Posts: 1,092	Being from Carolina I have watched several of their games. The Broncos shoot themselves in the foot early, then come roaring back. The Panthers play well most of the game, then shoot themselves in the foot at the end. Panthers seem to have this "Here we go again " mentality when things go wrong. Also, while the Broncos have benched some non-performers (Mays, Moreno), Carolina seems content to field the same old trash. Not sure if that's due to injuries though. I like our chances alot in this game, but hope the Broncos don't get overconfident.

11-08-2012, 10:12 AM	#10
mwill07 Ring of Famer Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,192 Adopt-a-Bronco: VMFM	I'm pretty psyched for this game. Tickets in hand!

11-08-2012, 10:22 AM	#11
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,843	Cam Newton 40 time: 4.58 Von Miller 40 time: 4.49

11-08-2012, 10:31 AM	#14
mwill07 Ring of Famer Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,192 Adopt-a-Bronco: VMFM	I think Fox and Manning have this team come out of the gate full-throttle. We take an early 14-0 lead, and then cruise to a 31-10 victory. or, Panthers keep it close in 1st half - 10-7, or something like that. Fox/Del Rio/Manning find proper half-time adjustments and step on it. Final score: 31-10. either way - I don't think this will be close. knocks on wood

11-08-2012, 10:35 AM	#15
LRtagger Ring of Famer CUT THAT MEAT Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,258 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Cam is inevitably going to drop a couple passes into our DBs hands - we need to hang onto them and take advantage of the mistakes. Cam starts to unravel when the opposition takes advantage of his mistakes as bad or worse than Cutler used to when he was here.

11-08-2012, 10:37 AM	#17
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,410 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Each game is a fun challenege for our developing Broncos. Indeed the scrambling Qb's with a "live arm" have given us big trouble in the past. I hope that our new defensive discipline and team play will help us handle the Panthers without any gimmicks. That being said, this game is still 100% about Manning and our offense. If the offense comes out of the gates firing on all cylinders (or even most of them), this game should be in hand by halftime (up 10+ points). It will be interesting to see how the injuries to Kuper, Tamme (elbow?), and DT (foot/ankle?) affect our production.

11-08-2012, 11:14 AM	#20
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,034 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	This game is really all about containing the run game - if we can keep Carolina from running the ball consistently we can force the game into the air which is where we are MUCH better than them in every aspect: Peyton Manning >> Cam Newton, Thomas, Decker > Steve Smith, Lafell, Denver Oline > Carolina Oline, Miller, Dumervil > Hardy, Johnson, Champ Bailey, Harris > Munnerlyn, Norman. If this becomes a passing match, we will win it handily. We need to contain Newton early so they can not use planned QB rushes, we need to limit Stewart especially to keep them in 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations. Our defense has to be in their toes and be ready for lose balls, Newton on average throws 1 pick and drops 1 ball on the ground per game with our pass rush we need to be ready to get those lose balls and errant throws. On defense Hardy, Johnson and Dwan Edwards provide all the Panthers pass rush so we need our tackles to play well, and they have been all year and we need Koppen and the RBs to help out Ramirez on the inside if Edwards plays. Their secondary does not force a lot of turnovers, they have 5 INTs all year and no player stands out when it comes to defending the pass, so our WRs especially should be able to make plays pretty consistently. Against this 43 front I would expect to see a lot of 2 TE plays to try take advantage of their outside linebackers and safeties, all of which belong in the shallow end of the NFL talent pool.

11-08-2012, 11:38 AM	#25
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,706 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I still think it would be a bit demoralizing to lose. Carolina is not a team we should lose to, even on the road. I obviously wouldn't consider our season over, but we're only one game up on San Diego right now, and they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way. For them to pull even with us the week before we play them again would put our lead in the division in serious jeopardy. (of course, they've got to beat Tampa Bay this week)