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Old 11-06-2012, 04:04 PM   #176
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Real unemployment is around 15%. Our illustrious government does not count the people who have run out of unemployment benefits and no longer looking for work.

okay let's go with 15%, but then why state 23% as that is not even remotely close? I get a 5% plus or minus margin of error, but 23% is hyperbole or an outright falsehood and simply incites unnecessary reactions that distract from addressing the actual problems as one has to discern fact from fiction.

Unemployment certainly is a problem, but to insist Obama and the Federal government have done nothing to address it and don't care whilst proposing a false number is misleading and wrongheaded. The WH, like the prevous admin, has introduced various reforms, stimulus packages, etc in attempts to alleviate some of this, including a substantial bailout of the auto industry who has been creating jobs in the US. I am not convinced the Feds can fix it nor do I necessarily want more US government interference, but we will see what the next 4 years bring, whoever ends up in the WH.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:04 PM   #177
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You didn't get your pony? I got mine.

Seriously. Obama did more in his first two years than many do over a full two terms. Healthcare, DADT, student loan reform, stimulus, etc. etc. These weren't small fry bills.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:05 PM   #178
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Painted themselves into a corner. Said "goodbye, vaya con dios" to bi-partisanship.
I think you are talking about when Obama and the Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats without a single Republican vote.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #179
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okay let's go with 15%, but then why state 23% as that is not even remotely close? I get a 5% plus or minus margin of error, but 23% is hyperbole or an outright falsehood and simply incites unnecessary reactions that distract from addressing the actual problems as one has to discern fact from fiction.

Unemployment certainly is a problem, but to insist Obama and the Federal government have done nothing to address it and don't care whilst proposing a false number is misleading and wrongheaded. The WH, like the prevous admin, has introduced various reforms, stimulus packages, etc in attempts to alleviate some of this, including a substantial bailout of the auto industry who has been creating jobs in the US. I am not convinced the Feds can fix it nor do I necessarily want more US government interference, but we will see what the next 4 years bring, whoever ends up in the WH.
He said 23 million unemployed, with unemployment at 15%.

It's still hyperbole and, once again, based on a number that the BLS does not use nor has it ever used. It's an argument of convenience, just like the $716 million number they've been floating around, as well as many, many more.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:14 PM   #180
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I think you are talking about when Obama and the Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats without a single Republican vote.
Kinda hard to negotiate with people who have zero intentions on doing so.

I dont know how you think the republicans are innocent victims in all this
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:19 PM   #181
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I just hope Americans get out there in huge numbers and vote. I always hate it that some third world country outdoes us in voting. Maybe too many of us take it for granted?
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #183
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Kinda hard to negotiate with people who have zero intentions on doing so.

I dont know how you think the republicans are innocent victims in all this
In my experience, liberals love to have things crammed down their throats.

That's prob the root of the confusion.
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Dude, why get it from Khan when you can get it from everyone's favorite conspiracy theorist...?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108436

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I just hope Americans get out there in huge numbers and vote. I always hate it that some third world country outdoes us in voting. Maybe too many of us take it for granted?
That's funny that you think by attempting to boost turnout, you can convince people who have been brainwashed by the media to vote for Obama.


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Old 11-06-2012, 04:22 PM   #186
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I'd be more worried about dealing with multiple wives.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:23 PM   #187
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I'm excited to meet all 12 of our new First Ladies.
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So whats your answer? Let the baby have their bottle and go back to trickle down economics that got us in this **** in the first place?

or do both sides need to grow the **** up and give a little?
Let the baby have his bottle or continue screaming because the baby won't share his bottle. Both end with the baby having the bottle. Maybe focus on a new solution where that isn't the end?
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:33 PM   #189
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That's funny that you think by attempting to boost turnout, you can convince people who have been brainwashed by the media to vote for Obama.


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lulz.

You have no clue what socialism is.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #190
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Let the baby have his bottle or continue screaming because the baby won't share his bottle. Both end with the baby having the bottle. Maybe focus on a new solution where that isn't the end?
Well at some point someone will have to give. It'd be best if they both do.

But lets not pretend that our entire government has been pulled to the right by some of the republican loonies in the house and senate...our healthcare bill is the perfect example of that
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I just hope Americans get out there in huge numbers and vote. I always hate it that some third world country outdoes us in voting. Maybe too many of us take it for granted?
The country isn't set up to require people to go out and vote. That's how the popular vote can differ from the electoral vote. As long as everyone votes in proportion, the same ends are met. Areas where the position is elected by direct election have more incentive to go out and cast votes.
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Well at some point someone will have to give. It'd be best if they both do.

But lets not pretend that our entire government has been pulled to the right by some of the republican loonies in the house and senate...our healthcare bill is the perfect example of that
I agree. It just takes a sentiment other than what Obama has previously been spouting. Currently he seems content to smash his head into the wall until he changes what isn't changing.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:35 PM   #193
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I agree. It just takes a sentiment other than what Obama has previously been spouting. Currently he seems content to smash his head into the wall until he changes what isn't changing.
It goes the other way too...obama could propose a distinctly republican bill and the republican response would be nay.

Neither have much interest in working with each other, but there is def more radicalism on the right side.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:22 PM   #196
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Go Romney! It's a pretty long shot, but I got hope!
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:28 PM   #197
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That's funny that you think by attempting to boost turnout, you can convince people who have been brainwashed by the media to vote for Obama.


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Since I didn't vote for Obama, that's likely not my motivation, dumbass.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:40 PM   #198
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I think you are talking about when Obama and the Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats without a single Republican vote.
Or install executive order any chance he got.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:42 PM   #199
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How close is this gonna be Can't believe the coverage over here. 2 of our 4 main channels are covering this election live for the next 6 hours. I bet there isn't one non news station in the US that would give a **** about British elections.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:45 PM   #200
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How close is this gonna be
Exit polls have a pretty shoddy record on the whole, but so far are matching to the polls we've seen coming in. Even if Obama does carry Ohio by 3 pts, it could take a while before the dare call the election. Just pray it doesn't go recount for either guy, because then we're looking a couple weeks of bull**** due to Ohio's provisional ballot rules.
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