OK don't re-sign Clady and save money for Von Miller's contract. - The Orange Mane

Bacchus · 11-04-2012, 09:13 PM

discuss.

What numbers are we talking about?........................... HUGE!

Harvitz81 · 11-04-2012, 09:16 PM

I think they can sign both. Would love to see both retire Broncos.

I will admit though that every defensive snap I pretty much key in on Von. Dude is a monster and soooooo glad he is ours. Can't wait for that first pick.

loborugger · 11-04-2012, 09:16 PM

At what point did Clady and Miller become mutually exclusive?

beardedwonder · 11-04-2012, 09:19 PM

Pretty good chance that by the time we need to resign him we will have 30 mill freed from PM and champ

RhymesayersDU · 11-04-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by loborugger

At what point did Clady and Miller become mutually exclusive?

On 11-04-12, 10:13 PM apparently.

wolf754life · 11-04-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

discuss.

What numbers are we talking about?........................... HUGE!

thank Goodness you don't run the front office, this post is incredibly weak

BroncoMan4ever · 11-04-2012, 09:28 PM

This isn't the Shanahan regime with a ton of wasted cap room. Also, when Von comes due for a new deal Champ's big salary will be much smaller since he will be near the end of his career or retired. DJ's ridiculous deal will be over. Money to keep Von and Clady will be there

Bronco X · 11-04-2012, 10:04 PM

No need to undervalue what Clady does. Just because the plays he makes don't make the highlight reel and he doesn't get to do a dance when he does make a play doesn't mean he's not worth an investment.

Armchair Bronco · 11-04-2012, 10:11 PM

Ryan Clady needs to stay. He's earned his huge paycheck. And he'll get it.

LongDongJohnson · 11-04-2012, 11:32 PM

I say let both go and work on resigning moreno.

Cosmo · 11-05-2012, 04:55 AM

Geez, we're not the Sandy Eggo Sparklers, we'll reward our best players.

uplink · 11-05-2012, 05:10 AM

There is so much big money wasted on mediocre players in the NFL, if you have guys that are worth the big money like Clady and Miller. There is no choice but to pay up and be glad you are getting something for that money with these two.

g6matty · 11-05-2012, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

discuss.

What numbers are we talking about?........................... HUGE!

its going to have to be something north of what mario williams just got... right?

fontaine · 11-05-2012, 05:24 AM

It's not just Clady, we need to resign Koppen/Ramirez as well.

The job these two did blocking off Geno Atkins was nothing short of amazing, considering how often we passed the ball and how little we did on the ground.

spdirty · 11-05-2012, 05:51 AM

I don't want to think or stress about this right now. I'll just trust that Elway will resign em both when the time comes.

rmsanger · 11-05-2012, 05:51 AM

Is Clady a top 5 tackle and deserve top 3 tackle money? I'm still unclear as he goes through stretches where he seems lazy or takes plays off (earlier in the season).

broncswin · 11-05-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LongDongJohnson

I say let both go and work on resigning moreno.

Lmao....I needed that laugh this morning.

cmhargrove · 11-05-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rmsanger

Is Clady a top 5 tackle and deserve top 3 tackle money? I'm still unclear as he goes through stretches where he seems lazy or takes plays off (earlier in the season).

I was a little hard on Clady earlier in the season, and he still has plenty of work to do this season (including playoffs) in order to add more zeros to his paycheck. However, his piece of this puzzle is significant. If Manning doesn't have the time to "do his work," or if he gets hit too many times, this bus comes to a screeching halt.

The other thing Clady has going for him is the NFL left tackle market in general. There are a dozen teams that would happily pay starting (top five money) for him this offseason.

Beantown Bronco · 11-05-2012, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rmsanger

Is Clady a top 5 tackle and deserve top 3 tackle money? I'm still unclear as he goes through stretches where he seems lazy or takes plays off (earlier in the season).

I've been as critical of him as anyone since his injury, but to me, it's not even a question with the way he's been playing. I can't think of 5 guys I'd rather have than him.

He's most certainly worth top 3-5 money.

Smiling Assassin27 · 11-05-2012, 07:48 AM

Those two guys have to be cornerstones of the franchise. Bowlen's always ponied up when guys have earned their keep. We're probably gonna have to give the DB kids a bump if they stay on this trajectory as well.

baja · 11-05-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I've been as critical of him as anyone since his injury, but to me, it's not even a question with the way he's been playing. I can't think of 5 guys I'd rather have than him.

He's most certainly worth top 3-5 money.

They already offered him that. The issue was guaranteed money if I remember correctly.

gyldenlove · 11-05-2012, 08:21 AM

Von Miller is very difficult to project, his position (43 SLB) is one of the lowest paid positions in football, on the other hand pass rushers tend to get paid very well as evidenced by Mario Williams or Elvis Dumervil or Freeney. Right now I would put Miller on a contract similar to that of Demarcus Ware, 7 years, 80 million with about half guaranteed in some way. Ware signed his contract in 2009, so inflation should increase it a bit, but Miller plays a slightly less prestigious position in a 4-3 rather than 3-4 so it should balance.

Beantown Bronco · 11-05-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

They already offered him that. The issue was guaranteed money if I remember correctly.

From rotoworld:

Broncos LT Ryan Clady rejected the Broncos' five-year, $50 million contract offer due to concerns on the guarantees over the first three years.

The $28 million guaranteed over the first three years wouldn't put Clady in the same ballpark as the $37M in Browns LT Joe Thomas' contract. The Clady camp believes his production, when healthy, has been on par with that of Thomas and Dolphins LT Jake Long. Denver can wield the franchise tag next offseason (for around $9.5 mil).

gyldenlove · 11-05-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

From rotoworld:

Broncos LT Ryan Clady rejected the Broncos' five-year, $50 million contract offer due to concerns on the guarantees over the first three years.

The $28 million guaranteed over the first three years wouldn't put Clady in the same ballpark as the $37M in Browns LT Joe Thomas' contract. The Clady camp believes his production, when healthy, has been on par with that of Thomas and Dolphins LT Jake Long. Denver can wield the franchise tag next offseason (for around $9.5 mil).

I do think we will tag him and then negotiate a deal during the summer like we have done before with several players. The Broncos have traditionally not been a team to use the franchise tag to make players go year by year.

baja · 11-05-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

I do think we will tag him and then negotiate a deal during the summer like we have done before with several players. The Broncos have traditionally not been a team to use the franchise tag to make players go year by year.

I think they used it on Elam but other than that I don't remember another (Pryce?)

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11-04-2012, 09:16 PM	#2
Harvitz81 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NM Posts: 1,709 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	I think they can sign both. Would love to see both retire Broncos. I will admit though that every defensive snap I pretty much key in on Von. Dude is a monster and soooooo glad he is ours. Can't wait for that first pick.

11-04-2012, 09:16 PM	#3
loborugger lost in the ether Did we finally get a FB??? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The 'cuse Posts: 5,783 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	At what point did Clady and Miller become mutually exclusive?

11-04-2012, 09:19 PM	#4
beardedwonder Rookie Bacon. Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 91 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Pretty good chance that by the time we need to resign him we will have 30 mill freed from PM and champ

11-04-2012, 09:28 PM	#7
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,555 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	This isn't the Shanahan regime with a ton of wasted cap room. Also, when Von comes due for a new deal Champ's big salary will be much smaller since he will be near the end of his career or retired. DJ's ridiculous deal will be over. Money to keep Von and Clady will be there

11-04-2012, 10:04 PM	#8
Bronco X Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 732	No need to undervalue what Clady does. Just because the plays he makes don't make the highlight reel and he doesn't get to do a dance when he does make a play doesn't mean he's not worth an investment.

11-04-2012, 10:11 PM	#9
Armchair Bronco Ring of Famer Call me "Old School"... Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,604 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darrien Gordon	Ryan Clady needs to stay. He's earned his huge paycheck. And he'll get it.

11-04-2012, 11:32 PM	#10
LongDongJohnson Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,626 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I say let both go and work on resigning moreno.

11-05-2012, 04:55 AM	#11
Cosmo Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greeley Colorado!!! Posts: 957	Geez, we're not the Sandy Eggo Sparklers, we'll reward our best players.

11-05-2012, 05:10 AM	#12
uplink Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,813	There is so much big money wasted on mediocre players in the NFL, if you have guys that are worth the big money like Clady and Miller. There is no choice but to pay up and be glad you are getting something for that money with these two.

11-05-2012, 05:24 AM	#14
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,422	It's not just Clady, we need to resign Koppen/Ramirez as well. The job these two did blocking off Geno Atkins was nothing short of amazing, considering how often we passed the ball and how little we did on the ground.

11-05-2012, 05:51 AM	#15
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	I don't want to think or stress about this right now. I'll just trust that Elway will resign em both when the time comes.

11-05-2012, 05:51 AM	#16
rmsanger Ring of Famer Another one bites the dust! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,055 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Is Clady a top 5 tackle and deserve top 3 tackle money? I'm still unclear as he goes through stretches where he seems lazy or takes plays off (earlier in the season).

11-05-2012, 07:48 AM	#20
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,957 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Those two guys have to be cornerstones of the franchise. Bowlen's always ponied up when guys have earned their keep. We're probably gonna have to give the DB kids a bump if they stay on this trajectory as well.

11-05-2012, 08:21 AM	#22
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,015 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Von Miller is very difficult to project, his position (43 SLB) is one of the lowest paid positions in football, on the other hand pass rushers tend to get paid very well as evidenced by Mario Williams or Elvis Dumervil or Freeney. Right now I would put Miller on a contract similar to that of Demarcus Ware, 7 years, 80 million with about half guaranteed in some way. Ware signed his contract in 2009, so inflation should increase it a bit, but Miller plays a slightly less prestigious position in a 4-3 rather than 3-4 so it should balance.