Still not a big fan of Michael Irvin the Analyst - The Orange Mane

v2micca · 10-30-2012, 06:19 AM

But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

sirhcyennek81 · 10-30-2012, 07:09 AM

He's actually been on that one for awhile. I remember a discussion on NFLN where Irvin got excited (and thus impossible to understand) but the gist was that Manning with a 6'3 Decker and a 6'3 Thomas outside? It would be new for Manning to have that type of size outside, and when the offense gelled would be awesome to watch.

BroncoBeavis · 10-30-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by v2micca

But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

v2micca · 10-30-2012, 08:01 AM

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We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

We are. Decker's limitations appear to be related to youth and focus at this time. Don't let those short-coming cause you to discount his very real physical abilities. I remember after the Pittsburg game, I heard some Steelers fans complaining that the Steelers D wasn't trying to jam the Broncos receivers off the line to disrupt Peyton's timing routes. The fact is, it is hard for most DBs to jam 6'3" 220+ lbs receivers. Both of these guys have a long way to go. But both will be hard to jam off the line, and both can use their bodies to box out or go over a defender for a pass.

edog24 · 10-30-2012, 08:04 AM

Decker plays more like he's 5'10"

NUB · 10-30-2012, 08:12 AM

Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

v2micca · 10-30-2012, 08:29 AM

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Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

I'm not comparing them. I'm contrasting them. They are different players with different skill-sets. As I said, I'm excited to see Manning playing with our corps as he has not really worked with this type of receiver before in his career.

BroncoBeavis · 10-30-2012, 08:36 AM

Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

v2micca · 10-30-2012, 08:47 AM

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Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

I think he made a decent adjustment to go up and grab 23 yard pass on the final drive of the first half. I think it was supposed to be a back-shoulder fade to the soft zone between the CB and safety. But, Manning gets clocked on the play and probably doesn't get everything into the throw (my opinion based on my observations of the pass) I think Decker does an nice job adjusting then using his size to go up and get the ball.

I'll acknowledge that Decker's vertical game is not as advanced as DT's. I still maintain that is largely a product of youth and inexperience. Manning and his receivers are still developing a rapport. Eventually, they are going to start hitting jump ball drills hard. When that happens (possibly sometime next year) the Broncos are going to own NFL highlights.

swaiy · 10-30-2012, 08:50 AM

Decker made someone look pretty foolish in the Saints game when he got wide open. I hope he does more of that.

pricejj · 10-30-2012, 08:50 AM

Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Tombstone RJ · 10-30-2012, 08:50 AM

Looks like Green is gonna make an impact too. I hope Manning keeps throwing the ball to this young TE.

v2micca · 10-30-2012, 09:00 AM

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Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Actually, Doug Martin, Jimmy Graham, Dez Bryant, Victor Cruz, and Jason Witten all have more drops then him right now. And he is tied with 6 other players. So yeah, not ideal. But not a deal breaker either.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 10-30-2012, 09:19 AM

Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.

On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

v2micca · 11-04-2012, 01:14 PM

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I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

BroncoBeavis · 11-04-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by v2micca

Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

I was stuck listening to this one on the radio so I didn't get to see. Decker came up huge this game no doubt though.

swaiy · 11-04-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.

On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

Maybe he is used to having a bigger surface area to work with (ie: sideways ball flying through the air)?

theAPAOps5 · 11-04-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by v2micca

Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

Both of them have grown leaps and bounds since the start of the season. Very impressed with them, and I was uber critical in the beginning.

Demaryius Thomas ran two beautiful routes today that while they weren't sexy and only amounted for 5 or 6 yards were huge. They were both on third down and he ran his route exactly to the yardage needed and got himself open for a split second and gave Manning just enough time to get the ball in.

Those were impressive.

Decker was also impressive on the TD and in a couple of plays where he gained some good yards after the catch.

They have come a long way!

Kaylore · 11-04-2012, 07:12 PM

Decker has four tds in the last two games.

BroncoMan4ever · 11-04-2012, 07:23 PM

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We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

BroncoMan4ever · 11-04-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Decker has four tds in the last two games.

And at least 1 in each of the last 5

BroncoBeavis · 11-05-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

Everyone has their weaknesses. Yours just happens to be reading comprehension.

cmhargrove · 11-05-2012, 06:13 AM

I don't know how anyone could say Decker doesn't play "up to his size." He powered a run into the end zone yesterday, and don't forget the San Diego game where he shoved through three defenders the last few yards to paydirt.

These guys have kind of been stunted so far in Denver, and they are both growing into their roles. It's also so nice to have Stokley to help take the pressure off them and teach them how to be professionals.

fwf · 11-05-2012, 06:33 AM

We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick, but as far as ability and toughness, I think our young WR's have proven themselves the last 2 months. There were question marks, but no more.

It was clearly a smart move by Elway to bring in the veterans Stokley and Tamme to help with Deck and Dt's maturation too. Guys who understand how to play with Manning and the work that needs to be put in. Stok is a great compliment.

It's just too bad we cant really make our offense more potent, by incorporating screen passes considering Mcgahee is slowing down.

If I were Fox, at this point, I would be holding McGahee out of practice to try and do anything to save his legs for the stretch run.

v2micca · 11-05-2012, 07:14 AM

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We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick,

You know, I'm not sure if you can really blame anyone one Bronco on that interception. Sometimes, you just have to tip your cap to the defender for making a play. Newman quickly recognized the route and just beats Decker to the spot. Its not like Decker doesn't fight him for the position, he does. But Newman just had better leverage on this one. About all he really could have done was try to get his hands up and bat the ball away. Unfortunately, Peyton was leading him inside on that pass.

10-30-2012, 06:19 AM	#1
v2micca Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 691	Still not a big fan of Michael Irvin the Analyst But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

11-05-2012, 06:33 AM	#24
fwf Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 478 Adopt-a-Bronco: Zane Beadles	We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick, but as far as ability and toughness, I think our young WR's have proven themselves the last 2 months. There were question marks, but no more. It was clearly a smart move by Elway to bring in the veterans Stokley and Tamme to help with Deck and Dt's maturation too. Guys who understand how to play with Manning and the work that needs to be put in. Stok is a great compliment. It's just too bad we cant really make our offense more potent, by incorporating screen passes considering Mcgahee is slowing down. If I were Fox, at this point, I would be holding McGahee out of practice to try and do anything to save his legs for the stretch run. Last edited by fwf; 11-05-2012 at 06:56 AM..

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10-30-2012, 07:09 AM	#2
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,768 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	He's actually been on that one for awhile. I remember a discussion on NFLN where Irvin got excited (and thus impossible to understand) but the gist was that Manning with a 6'3 Decker and a 6'3 Thomas outside? It would be new for Manning to have that type of size outside, and when the offense gelled would be awesome to watch.

10-30-2012, 08:04 AM	#5
edog24 Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 745	Decker plays more like he's 5'10"

10-30-2012, 08:12 AM	#6
NUB Just Crafted New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

10-30-2012, 08:36 AM	#8
BroncoBeavis Just Draughted Lupus Methylphenthylaminus? Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 7,200	Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on. I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

10-30-2012, 08:50 AM	#10
swaiy Ring of Famer Next time I'll be deadly serious Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 1,341 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	Decker made someone look pretty foolish in the Saints game when he got wide open. I hope he does more of that.

10-30-2012, 08:50 AM	#11
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,277	Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good. I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

10-30-2012, 08:50 AM	#12
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,519 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Looks like Green is gonna make an impact too. I hope Manning keeps throwing the ball to this young TE.

10-30-2012, 09:19 AM	#14
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,575 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms. On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

11-04-2012, 07:12 PM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,321 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Decker has four tds in the last two games.

11-05-2012, 06:13 AM	#23
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,422 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I don't know how anyone could say Decker doesn't play "up to his size." He powered a run into the end zone yesterday, and don't forget the San Diego game where he shoved through three defenders the last few yards to paydirt. These guys have kind of been stunted so far in Denver, and they are both growing into their roles. It's also so nice to have Stokley to help take the pressure off them and teach them how to be professionals.