Von Miller’s ceiling is being the very best defensive player in the NFL and a Hall of Famer. - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

FearLanier · 09-11-2012, 06:34 PM

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RUSH DEFENSE: A-minus — Von Miller's leap forward in this area could transform the unit; he carried over a strong preseason by continuing to shake off blockers and push ball carriers wide, setting defensive backs up for tackles. The improvement from January was palpable; after allowing Isaac Redman to run for 121 yards in the wild-card duel eight months ago, Denver held Steelers running backs to 68 yards on 22 carries Sunday.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ncos/notes.htm

Von will be a asset rather than a liability in the run game as the aforementioned player was for his entire career.

DT was not a liability against the run, Rob. He certainly wasn't the best at it, but he wasn't awful either.
He wasn't good in coverage, but Marty never needed him to be. James Hasty, Jerome Woods, Dale Carter and Reggie Tongue were so reliable that Marty could just rush DT every play. With DT and Neil Smith we never had to worry about pass defense. They got to the QB before he could make up his mind.

Bronco Rob · 11-04-2012, 07:24 PM

Von Miller - 6 Tackles - 3 Sacks - 3 Tackles For A Loss!

Helmet Hat Trick!

KipCorrington25 · 11-04-2012, 07:53 PM

Is that 10 sacks for the season at the halfway point?

DBroncos4life · 11-04-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KipCorrington25

Is that 10 sacks for the season at the halfway point?

9, Watt has 10.5

McDman · 11-04-2012, 08:02 PM

It's crazy how much publicity Watt gets and how little Von does.

KipCorrington25 · 11-04-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by McDman

It's crazy how much publicity Watt gets and how little Von does.

It's because of that whole reminding people of Ed McCaffrey thing that Watt has going on.

RedskinBronco · 11-04-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by McDman

It's crazy how much publicity Watt gets and how little Von does.

Ok I am not trying to be that guy...BUT in today's society this is debated all day long, just look at ESPN First Take.

Reason is Watt is white and you don't see many white athletes dominate at any other position than QB. Conversely the the same type of thing happens at the QB position where black QBs are labeled as runners first. Just witness all the Cam Newton, etc. talk that got Warren Moon extremely pissed off.

Watt being white and leading the league in sacks is what gets all the publicity. Let's face it, it's not like Houston is an attention grabbing market...

McDman · 11-04-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

Ok I am not trying to be that guy...BUT in today's society this is debated all day long, just look at ESPN First Take.

Reason is Watt is white and you don't see many white athletes dominate at any other position than QB. Conversely the the same type of thing happens at the QB position where black QBs are labeled as runners first. Just witness all the Cam Newton, etc. talk that got Warren Moon extremely pissed off.

Watt being white and leading the league in sacks is what gets all the publicity. Let's face it, it's not like Houston is an attention grabbing market...

Jared Allen was like .5 away from tying the records last year and no one talked about him.

Lycan · 11-04-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by McDman

Jared Allen was like .5 away from tying the records last year and no one talked about him.

The media is prejudiced against sweet mullets.

RedskinBronco · 11-04-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lycan

The media is prejudiced against sweet mullets.

I was about to say, Jared Allen looks like white trash. JJ Watt looks more all american white boy.

That's my theory and I am sticking to it

baja · 11-04-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by McDman

It's crazy how much publicity Watt gets and how little Von does.

That's a good thing. He'll get his when he is named SB MVP

bronco militia · 11-04-2012, 09:05 PM

watt has made other big plays (not including the sacks)....he deserves the publicity.

Kaylore · 11-04-2012, 09:10 PM

I think Watt leads in tackles for loss now too. Dude is probably getting defensive MVP - unless Miller keeps having these kinds of games.

BTW, what happened to Justin Houston? He seemed like he was emerging as an elite player and now he hasn't had a sack in three games.

Harvitz81 · 11-04-2012, 09:20 PM

Watt also has 4 pass tips at the line that resulted in INTs. He is getting publicity, but well deserved.

Von gets plenty and you can be sure the only attention that counts, i.e. the opposing team having to scheme against him is what matters.

Absolutely love when he rag dolls a 325 lb offensive lineman like he did today. Dude much have a serious bench press.

ShutDownPoster · 11-04-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Harvitz81

Watt also has 4 pass tips at the line that resulted in INTs. He is getting publicity, but well deserved.

Von gets plenty and you can be sure the only attention that counts, i.e. the opposing team having to scheme against him is what matters.

Absolutely love when he rag dolls a 325 lb offensive lineman like he did today. Dude much have a serious bench press.

After January’s Senior Bowl, Miller bulked up 9 pounds of muscle for the NFL Combine At 6’3 and 246 lbs., Miller ran a 4.53 40 yard dash time, did 21 reps of the 225 lb. bench press, had a 37” vertical jump and a broad jump of 10 ½ feet. His 11.15 second 60-yard shuttle broke the Combine linebacker record. Experts compare Miller to a young DeMarcus Ware due to his raw strength and skill.

Popps · 11-04-2012, 09:36 PM

It's early days but for a number of reasons, Miller is on the way to being one of my favorite Broncos... ever. He's a one man gang when he's on... and quickly becoming a complete player. Absolute pass-rush terror, and the best part... finds a way to physically dominate guys who are nearly 100 lbs heavier than him on a regular basis. Beyond that, seems to be a decent guy with a decent head on his shoulder.

Once again, it's early days... but he's got what it takes to be one of the best to ever wear our colors.

crush17 · 11-04-2012, 09:50 PM

How anyone can watch Von Miller play and not see greatness in the making is beyond me.

He is an absolute stud.

FearLanier · 11-04-2012, 11:38 PM

JJ Watts stats so far: 37 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 10 passes defended and 21 QB hits. Wow

Incredible that this kid was delivering pizza's not long ago and now he's the best defensive player in the NFL this year.

LongDongJohnson · 11-04-2012, 11:46 PM

Hard to get publicity when all everyone talks about is tebow and manning.

Schaub is a good QB but no one really cares about him.

Doggcow · 11-05-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LongDongJohnson

Hard to get publicity when all everyone talks about is tebow and manning.

Schaub is a good QB but no one really cares about him.

Where the **** did this comment come from?

lonestar · 11-05-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow

Where the **** did this comment come from?

Jealousy.

MojoBen · 11-05-2012, 06:43 AM

We can only hope Von has the career Derrick Thomas had. Also Thomas was not the liability against the run some try to make him out to be. He was pretty stout against the run but his pass rushing ability overshadowed that aspect of his game.

Shananahan · 11-05-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

Ok I am not trying to be that guy...BUT in today's society this is debated all day long, just look at ESPN First Take.

Reason is Watt is white and you don't see many white athletes dominate at any other position than QB. Conversely the the same type of thing happens at the QB position where black QBs are labeled as runners first. Just witness all the Cam Newton, etc. talk that got Warren Moon extremely pissed off.

Watt being white and leading the league in sacks is what gets all the publicity. Let's face it, it's not like Houston is an attention grabbing market...

Kaylore · 11-05-2012, 07:11 AM

JJ Watt reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

fontaine · 11-05-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

BTW, what happened to Justin Houston? He seemed like he was emerging as an elite player and now he hasn't had a sack in three games.

He got "Crennelled"

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11-04-2012, 07:24 PM	#27
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,587 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Von Miller - 6 Tackles - 3 Sacks - 3 Tackles For A Loss! Helmet Hat Trick!

11-04-2012, 07:53 PM	#28
KipCorrington25 Free Safety Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Centennial Posts: 3,050	Is that 10 sacks for the season at the halfway point?

11-04-2012, 08:02 PM	#30
McDman Ring of Famer Huzzah! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 3,699 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It's crazy how much publicity Watt gets and how little Von does.

11-04-2012, 09:05 PM	#37
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,584	watt has made other big plays (not including the sacks)....he deserves the publicity.

11-04-2012, 09:10 PM	#38
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I think Watt leads in tackles for loss now too. Dude is probably getting defensive MVP - unless Miller keeps having these kinds of games. BTW, what happened to Justin Houston? He seemed like he was emerging as an elite player and now he hasn't had a sack in three games.

11-04-2012, 09:20 PM	#39
Harvitz81 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NM Posts: 1,710 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	Watt also has 4 pass tips at the line that resulted in INTs. He is getting publicity, but well deserved. Von gets plenty and you can be sure the only attention that counts, i.e. the opposing team having to scheme against him is what matters. Absolutely love when he rag dolls a 325 lb offensive lineman like he did today. Dude much have a serious bench press.

11-04-2012, 09:36 PM	#41
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	It's early days but for a number of reasons, Miller is on the way to being one of my favorite Broncos... ever. He's a one man gang when he's on... and quickly becoming a complete player. Absolute pass-rush terror, and the best part... finds a way to physically dominate guys who are nearly 100 lbs heavier than him on a regular basis. Beyond that, seems to be a decent guy with a decent head on his shoulder. Once again, it's early days... but he's got what it takes to be one of the best to ever wear our colors.

11-04-2012, 09:50 PM	#42
crush17 orange & blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	How anyone can watch Von Miller play and not see greatness in the making is beyond me. He is an absolute stud.

11-04-2012, 11:38 PM	#43
FearLanier Pro Bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 695 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	JJ Watts stats so far: 37 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 10 passes defended and 21 QB hits. Wow Incredible that this kid was delivering pizza's not long ago and now he's the best defensive player in the NFL this year.

11-04-2012, 11:46 PM	#44
LongDongJohnson Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,626 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Hard to get publicity when all everyone talks about is tebow and manning. Schaub is a good QB but no one really cares about him.

11-05-2012, 06:43 AM	#47
MojoBen Just Drafted New to the Forum Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	We can only hope Von has the career Derrick Thomas had. Also Thomas was not the liability against the run some try to make him out to be. He was pretty stout against the run but his pass rushing ability overshadowed that aspect of his game.

11-05-2012, 07:11 AM	#49
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	JJ Watt reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.