Defense still needs work...........

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Action

Because a Wolfe-Vickerson-Bannan-Ayers dline would create questionable pressure if the QB were to drop back and pass.

I'll disagree, Ayers has really improved his pass rush this year.

[OrangeSe7en]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I'll disagree, Ayers has really improved his pass rush this year.

It really doesnt present that feel by watching games.

[Agamemnon]

This **** is getting old. The offense was worse than the defense today.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Sure, but we want Dumveril for the long haul and I just don't see the benefit of having him on 1st downs.

Ayers has been playing pretty well of late in his limited snaps.

In today's NFL teams often pas on 1st down.

[theAPAOps5]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

This **** is getting old. The offense was worse than the defense today.

Sick of what? Winning? Or of these threads?

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I'll disagree, Ayers has really improved his pass rush this year.

ayers improved,but not even close to taking over for doom. Ayers is 1st rd pick that at best is a rotational player/back up.

[fwf]

Im a lot more concerned with our running game. Dalton is a pretty good Qb with a big arm. Add Green in the mix and their getting theirs. Mcgahee's lack of speed and Hillman's lack of experience/skills is what worries me. And does anyone really think Willis will hold up through January getting 25 touches a game? Lets see what Ball's got. He showed glimpses last year.

[LongDongJohnson]

Originally Posted by Action

That was Dumervil...

how the hell do you guys get players wrong every single week on some of the biggest plays of the game?

1 I didnt rewind the play 5 times like you probably did.
2 when I see a guy in coverage I dont assume that its doom.

Big deal if I got one play wrong. Tv announcers do it like 10 times a game.

[KevinJames]

Originally Posted by fwf

Im a lot more concerned with our running game. Dalton is a pretty good Qb with a big arm. Add Green in the mix and their getting theirs. Mcgahee's lack of speed and Hillman's lack of experience/skills is what worries me. And does anyone really think Willis will hold up through January getting 25 touches a game? Lets see what Ball's got. He showed glimpses last year.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by KevinJames

It's Ball or 27! The deadline has passed so were stuck with the 4 backs we have. Thats on Elway. Do you have a better idea?

[baja]

Originally Posted by fwf

It's Ball or 27! The deadline has passed so were stuck with the 4 backs we have. Thats on Elway. Do you have a better idea?

Ya go jump in the cold lake you promised us you would and post the vid.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by OrangeSe7en

It really doesnt present that feel by watching games.

Ayers' pressure caused Champ's interception.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by baja

Ya go jump in the cold lake you promised us you would and post the vid.

You have to admit that his concern about McGahee being over worked has some merit. Those aren't young legs and he really needs to be spelled more often. If they don't like their other options they should've brought one in this past offseason.

[KevinJames]

Originally Posted by fwf

It's Ball or 27! The deadline has passed so were stuck with the 4 backs we have. Thats on Elway. Do you have a better idea?

The running game is fine....our backs are fine

Bengals front 7 just gave us a hard time, it had nothing to do with lack of ability from our RBs.

Giving Ball and Moreno carries over Hillman wouldn't help us they would only hurt us.

Hillman is a playmaker hes also the youngest player in the NFL, give him time he will see more carries. He obviously didn't get many carries due to how the game was going, Bengals kept swinging back and keeping us in passing situations.

and McGahee is great hes not wearing down keep feeding him and he will get tough yards when we need them.

I think later in the season once we clinch the AFC West and it starts getting real cold, you will see how dominate our running game can be. Around that time I would guess it be almost split carries w/ Willis and Ronnie.

Fox and McCoy said they are going to use the hot hand approach when they wanna establish the run game. So Hillman will have his days im sure.

[baja]

Originally Posted by TonyR

You have to admit that his concern about McGahee being over worked has some merit. Those aren't young legs and he really needs to be spelled more often. If they don't like their other options they should've brought one in this past offseason.

What you say is true but he ran a game on us all, make a promise if it was false and now it time to pay up.

BTW I though the thread was funny but I expect him to post that vid

[OrangeSe7en]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Ayers' pressure caused Champ's interception.

And...? It's not like he didn't occasionally get pressure in the past. If you can't say something with substance, don't say anything at all.

[Action]

Originally Posted by LongDongJohnson

1 I didnt rewind the play 5 times like you probably did.
2 when I see a guy in coverage I dont assume that its doom.

Big deal if I got one play wrong. Tv announcers do it like 10 times a game.

1. No I didn't need to rewind it considering they replayed that play in slow motion from behind the endzone so you can clearly see who it is.

2. You shouldn't assume it's anyone, all you have to do is look at the number.

TV announcers have different teams to study every week.

How long have you followed the Broncos? How long has Dumervil been on the Broncos? Do Dumervil or Trevathon wear a similar number? DO they look anything alike? In technique? In how they run?

There's really no excuse TBH, I see it all the time on OMane... a plce where people put so much weight into their opinion, don't even know what players are actually on the field.

[Action]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I'll disagree, Ayers has really improved his pass rush this year.

It's still the same power bull rush... he has 0 sacks on the year and 4 tackles and no QB hits (I don't know why he didn't get credited with 1 today)

I do agree that it might be wise to sub Dumervil out on some downs to keep him fresh but that would be purely to keep him fresh, not because there is some good pass rushing talent behind him.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by OrangeSe7en

And...? It's not like he didn't occasionally get pressure in the past. If you can't say something with substance, don't say anything at all.

"And...?" That's the best you can do?!?

You said, with respect to Ayers:

It really doesnt present that feel by watching games.

I pointed out a big play Ayers made that you might have seen had you watched the game and/or understood what you saw. And then I'm the one not saying something "with substance"?

You need to learn when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

[OrangeSe7en]

Originally Posted by TonyR

"And...?" That's the best you can do?!?

You said, with respect to Ayers:


I pointed out a big play Ayers made that you might have seen had you watched the game and/or understood what you saw. And then I'm the one not saying something "with substance"?

You need to learn when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

He said he's really improved his pass rush this year. Once again, you're failing to make a point.

[ZONA]

B-


* We had 3 sure INT's and we only got 1 of them. Would have been nice to have gotten 1 more.

* Not Champs best game for the most part but nice recovery with the INT

* Pressure was good. We got some sacks.

* Decent game against the run. A little too much YAC though.

* 3rd down defense was pretty damn good. Always a huge key for this defense.

* A few too many big plays were given up. Tackling was good but not great.

I would have given us a B+ on defense performance because this was a road game but considering the offense we went against wasn't special. Decent but nothing great.

[errand]

Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

yet still handled the Bengals..........

end of discussion

This^

Bengals scored 10 points off turnovers by Manning.....and also cost us 7.....and gave up what 3 big plays? 37 yarder to AJ, and Gresham's 52 yarderand Sanu's 34 yarder....and had 5 sacks (3 by Miller)...oh and Woodyard had 14 tackles today too to pace the team.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by Action

1. No I didn't need to rewind it considering they replayed that play in slow motion from behind the endzone so you can clearly see who it is.

2. You shouldn't assume it's anyone, all you have to do is look at the number.

TV announcers have different teams to study every week.

How long have you followed the Broncos? How long has Dumervil been on the Broncos? Do Dumervil or Trevathon wear a similar number? DO they look anything alike? In technique? In how they run?

There's really no excuse TBH, I see it all the time on OMane... a plce where people put so much weight into their opinion, don't even know what players are actually on the field.

I heard Jeopardy music while reading this post.

Inquiring minds would like to know the answers to these questions.

[errand]

Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

Well not to be all technical and stuff................. but 23 points.

Defense was denied a double digit lead when Manning was picked in end zone...and was put in bad situation when he threw another from our end zone....

I wasn't worried at all because Manning is great enough to overcome most multiple INT games...and the D was pretty good except for 3 big plays totaling 123 of Dalton's 299 passing yards.

[errand]

Originally Posted by Action

That was Dumervil...

how the hell do you guys get players wrong every single week on some of the biggest plays of the game?

...I know right? I'll go with "what is alcohol? Alex"