Key Matchup: Champ vs Green - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

Agamemnon · 11-03-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Great13

Unless you're replacing him with someone who might have a monster game... I think you should keep him in. He's too talented to not put up decent numbers. 60- 80 yds maybe a TD. Champ is not going to totally shut him out, because he's a more explosive version of Brandon Lloyd.. he'll make his catches even when covered well.

I don't think I'd ever start a receiver who was playing against Champ. I've seen Champ take too many great receivers out of games. If Champ covers Green all day, I really don't expect the guy to have more than 4 or 5 receptions and no TD's.

lonestar · 11-03-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'd say it's more accurate to say it's all on Andy Dalton's shoulders. The kid is going to be hard-pressed to keep up with Peyton Manning.

Bacchus · 11-03-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Great13

Unless you're replacing him with someone who might have a monster game... I think you should keep him in. He's too talented to not put up decent numbers. 60- 80 yds maybe a TD. Champ is not going to totally shut him out, because he's a more explosive version of Brandon Lloyd.. he'll make his catches even when covered well.

I think Champ will basically shut him down. 4 reception 38 yards.

Kaylore · 11-03-2012, 08:12 PM

Champ holds green under 5 receptions, but I think that's partly because Dalton stares down his receivers and Marvin Lewis is horrible coming off a bye.

Broncos4Life · 11-03-2012, 08:44 PM

I think Champ will shut green out. He might have 5-6 catches for 60-70 yds.

I believe Champ has had an int every career game he has played in against the Bengals. Carson Palmer picks.... but anyway he's long overdue for one!

Assuming he covers green all game long no matter where he lines up, and with Daltons tendency to force the ball to him(10 picks this year), I feel Champ may have a legit shot at multi pick game. Anyone else on board with this?

lonestar · 11-03-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Champ holds green under 5 receptions, but I think that's partly because Dalton stares down his receivers and Marvin Lewis is horrible coming off a bye.

Wow Marvin still there! I suspect this is his last year ther maybe he can go to CLE. Might even be able to commute..

lonestar · 11-03-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncos4Life

I think Champ will shut green out. He might have 5-6 catches for 60-70 yds.

I believe Champ has had an int every career game he has played in against the Bengals. Carson Palmer picks.... but anyway he's long overdue for one!

Assuming he covers green all game long no matter where he lines up, and with Daltons tendency to force the ball to him(10 picks this year), I feel Champ may have a legit shot at multi pick game. Anyone else on board with this?

Ah shut out means to most folks Zero anything. Sounds like you meant to say hold him to 5-6 catches.

Broncoman13 · 11-04-2012, 04:57 AM

I think Champ will stay on his side and will cover AJ when he lines up over him... When AJ is on the other side we will use Harris and Moore in two man. I like this because Dalton will have to either throw into double coverage or throw against Champ. The biggest key will be containing Gresham, hopefully we get more Trevathan in coverage!

Broncoman13 · 11-04-2012, 05:07 AM

AJ Green is a stud, you leave Champ on an island with Green, Green will get past him. That is why I like the 2 man against Green and using our 2nd corner with a safety over top. Harris or Carter can cut off the short routes and not have to worry so much about the deep ball. The only way they can make us come out of two man is running the ball effectively. If they run the ball right at Doom effectively then Moore will have to come up. Champ against the Bengals 2nd receiver takes Hawkins away completely. Anyhow, if Dalton is having to throw the ball into DC to get the ball to Green... I like our chances!

Remember, Champ played on an island last year against Megatron... Didn't work out to well including a long TD on Champ. AJ is a similar style player that can really high point a ball.

OrangeSe7en · 11-04-2012, 05:31 AM

It depends on where they try to get Green the ball. If it's downfield, then our pass rush is in play. One of the reasons Carter and Harris have been so important in recent weeks is because they've been good at competing against the short-intermediate stuff that teams tend to throw when avoiding a pass rush.

The other factor, of course, is the offense scoring points. The eastern time zone thing is a real concern. I'm a little worried that the offense will be somewhat out of sync and Cincy will be able to play their game. I worry that a lot of failed third down conversions by our offense, early in the game, will give Cincy a chance to get their offense going and then the team will, once again, try to rally from behind.

CEH · 11-04-2012, 03:36 PM

I gotta say Green won the CHamp v Green matchup but that's not a slight on Champ. I think Green is a top 3 WR right there with Megatron and Fitz

He's a young stud only getting better

extralife · 11-04-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I don't think I'd ever start a receiver who was playing against Champ. I've seen Champ take too many great receivers out of games. If Champ covers Green all day, I really don't expect the guy to have more than 4 or 5 receptions and no TD's.

aaaaand the lesson, as always: don't bench your studs

g6matty · 11-04-2012, 03:39 PM

yea unfortunately i was the only one who voted the correct answer!

(i realise he had 7 catches but AJ dominated champ the entire game)

Broncos4Life · 11-04-2012, 03:50 PM

Nice int by the Champ! I called it! Always taking care of business against the Bungles.

canadianbroncosfan · 11-04-2012, 05:16 PM

Still satisfied with my vote for "Who cares as long as Denver wins"

Bacchus · 11-04-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by g6matty

yea unfortunately i was the only one who voted the correct answer!

(i realise he had 7 catches but AJ dominated champ the entire game)

Green did not dominate Champ. They battled all day long.

TonyR · 11-05-2012, 06:38 AM

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Dan Dierdorf had an orgasm over A.J. Green beating Champ Bailey on a long pass early in the first quarter, but what he didn't tell you is that Green pushed off in order to get any separation. That's a negative--on Dierdorf. The play in which Bailey gave up the touchdown to Green? Bailey was playing inside leverage, so the route call was going to be a nightmare from the beginning. Bailey got beat on a few other occasions, but not on these two plays.

Later, Andy Dalton made the mistake of thinking Bailey was a first-year corner and paid the price with an interception. Technically, I have to put Bailey here, but I do it with great reservation. After the game, Bailey rated Green as one of the top three wide receivers in the game.

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WolfpackGuy · 11-05-2012, 06:48 AM

Bailey sort of stumbled on the one long pass Green caught. He probably would've broken it up if not for that.

Green's going to get his. It's not like anyone was banking on Bailey shutting him out.

Oh well, chit happens.

CEH · 11-05-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Dan Dierdorf had an orgasm over A.J. Green beating Champ Bailey on a long pass early in the first quarter, but what he didn't tell you is that Green pushed off in order to get any separation. That's a negative--on Dierdorf. The play in which Bailey gave up the touchdown to Green? Bailey was playing inside leverage, so the route call was going to be a nightmare from the beginning. Bailey got beat on a few other occasions, but not on these two plays.

Later, Andy Dalton made the mistake of thinking Bailey was a first-year corner and paid the price with an interception. Technically, I have to put Bailey here, but I do it with great reservation. After the game, Bailey rated Green as one of the top three wide receivers in the game.

Seems like an apolegitic article when anyone with 2 eyes can see the 24 year old freak was competing with the 31 year old CB and won more than he lost

On the TD one on one Green made the play on the ball better than Champ and Champ was beat. Plain and simple. Champ knows it. It's going to happen with superstar WRs.

Bailey's INT was not about Bailey but about the pressure from Ayers.

baja · 11-05-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by g6matty

yea unfortunately i was the only one who voted the correct answer!

(i realise he had 7 catches but AJ dominated champ the entire game)

If you would like to see what "dominate" looks like go watch what Eddie Mac did to that rookie corner in the San Diego game several years ago.

Bacchus · 11-05-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Seems like an apolegitic article when anyone with 2 eyes can see the 24 year old freak was competing with the 31 year old CB and won more than he lost

On the TD one on one Green made the play on the ball better than Champ and Champ was beat. Plain and simple. Champ knows it. It's going to happen with superstar WRs.

Bailey's INT was not about Bailey but about the pressure from Ayers.

Bailey had him covered like a blanket and he caught the ball when it arrived.... sure it was about Champ

Rabb · 11-05-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Seems like an apolegitic article when anyone with 2 eyes can see the 24 year old freak was competing with the 31 year old CB and won more than he lost

On the TD one on one Green made the play on the ball better than Champ and Champ was beat. Plain and simple. Champ knows it. It's going to happen with superstar WRs.

Bailey's INT was not about Bailey but about the pressure from Ayers.

agree

I wouldn't say Champ was dominated but let's be real here...AJ got the best of him

baja · 11-05-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

agree

I wouldn't say Champ was dominated but let's be real here...AJ got the best of him on a few plays

FYP

lonestar · 11-05-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Seems like an apolegitic article when anyone with 2 eyes can see the 24 year old freak was competing with the 31 year old CB and won more than he lost

On the TD one on one Green made the play on the ball better than Champ and Champ was beat. Plain and simple. Champ knows it. It's going to happen with superstar WRs.

Bailey's INT was not about Bailey but about the pressure from Ayers.

Actually I think it was more about Dalton being pissed about the holding call on his center the play before and not having his head "IN the GAME" when Ayers was a mad dog..

Rabb · 11-05-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

FYP

I would agree with that also

View Poll Results: Champ VS Green
Champ Struggles Green gets more than 8 receptions.	2	4.35%
Champ holds his own limiting Green to 5-7 receptions	16	34.78%
Champ dominates the young player holding him under 5 receptions.	22	47.83%
Who cares as long as Denver wins.	6	13.04%
Mock answer STFU Dimwitt	0	0%
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11-03-2012, 08:12 PM	#29
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,004 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Champ holds green under 5 receptions, but I think that's partly because Dalton stares down his receivers and Marvin Lewis is horrible coming off a bye.

11-03-2012, 08:44 PM	#30
Broncos4Life Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QC....both sides... Posts: 1,777	I think Champ will shut green out. He might have 5-6 catches for 60-70 yds. I believe Champ has had an int every career game he has played in against the Bengals. Carson Palmer picks.... but anyway he's long overdue for one! Assuming he covers green all game long no matter where he lines up, and with Daltons tendency to force the ball to him(10 picks this year), I feel Champ may have a legit shot at multi pick game. Anyone else on board with this?

11-04-2012, 04:57 AM	#33
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	I think Champ will stay on his side and will cover AJ when he lines up over him... When AJ is on the other side we will use Harris and Moore in two man. I like this because Dalton will have to either throw into double coverage or throw against Champ. The biggest key will be containing Gresham, hopefully we get more Trevathan in coverage!

11-04-2012, 05:07 AM	#34
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	AJ Green is a stud, you leave Champ on an island with Green, Green will get past him. That is why I like the 2 man against Green and using our 2nd corner with a safety over top. Harris or Carter can cut off the short routes and not have to worry so much about the deep ball. The only way they can make us come out of two man is running the ball effectively. If they run the ball right at Doom effectively then Moore will have to come up. Champ against the Bengals 2nd receiver takes Hawkins away completely. Anyhow, if Dalton is having to throw the ball into DC to get the ball to Green... I like our chances! Remember, Champ played on an island last year against Megatron... Didn't work out to well including a long TD on Champ. AJ is a similar style player that can really high point a ball.

11-04-2012, 05:31 AM	#35
OrangeSe7en Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,666 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It depends on where they try to get Green the ball. If it's downfield, then our pass rush is in play. One of the reasons Carter and Harris have been so important in recent weeks is because they've been good at competing against the short-intermediate stuff that teams tend to throw when avoiding a pass rush. The other factor, of course, is the offense scoring points. The eastern time zone thing is a real concern. I'm a little worried that the offense will be somewhat out of sync and Cincy will be able to play their game. I worry that a lot of failed third down conversions by our offense, early in the game, will give Cincy a chance to get their offense going and then the team will, once again, try to rally from behind.

11-04-2012, 03:36 PM	#36
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,208	I gotta say Green won the CHamp v Green matchup but that's not a slight on Champ. I think Green is a top 3 WR right there with Megatron and Fitz He's a young stud only getting better

11-04-2012, 03:39 PM	#38
g6matty Pro Bowler "i had dreams of confetti..." Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 742	yea unfortunately i was the only one who voted the correct answer! (i realise he had 7 catches but AJ dominated champ the entire game)

11-04-2012, 03:50 PM	#39
Broncos4Life Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QC....both sides... Posts: 1,777	Nice int by the Champ! I called it! Always taking care of business against the Bungles.

11-04-2012, 05:16 PM	#40
canadianbroncosfan Ring of Famer METHWOLFE ALLIANCE- FOREIGN AFFAIRS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 2,842 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Still satisfied with my vote for "Who cares as long as Denver wins"

11-05-2012, 06:48 AM	#43
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,674	Bailey sort of stumbled on the one long pass Green caught. He probably would've broken it up if not for that. Green's going to get his. It's not like anyone was banking on Bailey shutting him out. Oh well, chit happens.