Kyle Shanahan

[extralife]

Originally Posted by baja

Hard to believe you would really feel that way. Shanny brought us 2 SB titles how can you say you wish he had never been here?

Shanny was here 2 seasons too long but I am sure as hell glad he was the Broncos coach for the rest of his tenure even with the horrid drafting and in later years bad FA signings.

It's lonestar. He's a ****ing idiot.

[Greatspirits]

I agree, don't think he's ready, but you never know!

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by extralife

He's got OC experience under Kubiak and Daddy, both of whom have fielded good offenses under him. A Geno Smith/Jamal Charles combo would play to his strengths, obviously. Of course it's a bit of a dice roll, but hey, what do the Chiefs have to lose? I think it'd be a good move.

The problem is that he has been OC under offensive head coaches, how much of the offense they ran in Houston was dictated by Kubiak? how much of what they do now in Washington is dictated by Mike Shanahan?

If he moved on and took the OC job under a coach who is not involved with the offense, it would help him.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

If it happens, You guys will be bringing Chris Simms in for a look.

So they'd upgrade?

[Greatspirits]

But for God's sake, stay away from McCoy!!

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

What do you guys know of him?

Is he ready to be a head coach?

We're debating about him on Chefsplanet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266137

kFc so wants to be like Denver it is funny.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Marty's kids? After all Marty got you your last playoff win.

[extralife]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

The problem is that he has been OC under offensive head coaches, how much of the offense they ran in Houston was dictated by Kubiak? how much of what they do now in Washington is dictated by Mike Shanahan?

If he moved on and took the OC job under a coach who is not involved with the offense, it would help him.

Mike at least made a point to say that he was going to delegate a lot of the game planning to Kyle. Kid Kyle calls the plays, and he called them under Kubiak too. Plus, he's obviously been able to learn from those guys. I wouldn't take it as all negative.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by baja

He sure was for us but if he ever learns to not be a dick he might turn out to be a good one.

First time coaches often suck. See Shanny in Oakland.

Belichek in Cleveland.

[baja]

Wade in Denver

Wade would have been much better if the Jerry Jones didn't treat the Cowboys like his own FF team.

Actually SD would be wise to hire Wade and dump Norv.

[wyobronco]

Norv is probably going to be looking for a new gig. He'd look really good in red.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Stay away from him Bob....that's our future HC

[fwf]

Nah stick with Pioli and Crennel, it'll turn around. Stay the course lol

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by wyobronco

Norv is probably going to be looking for a new gig. He'd look really good in red.

I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by extralife

It's lonestar. He's a ****ing idiot.

wow another poster that has to go straight to attack mode because he has nothing civil to say..

what have I said about tanahan that was wrong?

he was an excellent OC, over his head as HC Twice now, maybe even three times the jury is out in WAS, he was beyond lousy as the GM, his talent evaluations sucked to high heaven, loved to spend someone else's money, never saw a Defense he liked.. hired more coaches than most people on here can count.. fingers and toes..

won us a couple of rings past that he should have left when he was ahead, oh the one that almost everyone likes he won a lot of games..

But he lost every Playoff game after John left excpet one and THEN the next week we got our asses kicked..

did I leave anything out?

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

Shanahan voluntarily took the Oakland Raider HC job. His job description under Al Davis was to beat the crap out of the Broncos. Isn't that a good enough reason to at least dislike Shanahan?

Shanahan was brought into the NFL by Reeves as one of his earliest hires, promoted through the ranks from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator, then Shanahan defects to the Raiders.

That's kind of disgusting. The Raiders. Shanahan voluntarily takes the HC job under Al Davis where his job description is to beat the team that brought him into the NFL. One of the most bitter rivalries in the NFL, and Shanahan jumps ship to the rival from the team that brought him into the NFL.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

we already have one Manning..

while I think that is Norvs peter principle level not sure I want him in DEN unless John would keep him on a very very very short leash..

not allow him in or near the war room, as I think some of Smiths draft decisions were influenced by norv..

[fwf]

I could see both of the Gruden brothers getting jobs next year. John was interviewing Phylis before the Monday night game and they seemed to get along. Some may say thats one of the more attractive openings bc they have an established QB.
Oregon's Chip Kelly is suppose to be the hot name. Maybe he goes to Dallas.

And what about Saban? They say he's the type who wears his welcome out after 5 yrs or so. Cowher, who lives in NC could probably get the Panthers job if he wanted. Which would be another opening with a legit Qb.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by extralife

Mike at least made a point to say that he was going to delegate a lot of the game planning to Kyle. Kid Kyle calls the plays, and he called them under Kubiak too. Plus, he's obviously been able to learn from those guys. I wouldn't take it as all negative.

It isn't all negative for sure, but we all know that Shanahan and Kubiak are big fans of scripting, so how much influence does he have on the scripted plays, how much influence does he have on formations and play design etc. That is always difficult to truly assess when a coordinator works under a coach who is known as a specialist.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by baja

Hard to believe you would really feel that way. Shanny brought us 2 SB titles how can you say you wish he had never been here?

Shanny was here 2 seasons too long but I am sure as hell glad he was the Broncos coach for the rest of his tenure even with the horrid drafting and in later years bad FA signings.

I'm forever grateful of the two rings.. but after John left he only drug this franchise down.. with his piss poor personnel moves.. HE was a genius initially when FA first started.. then he believed all ills of the Broncos could be fixed with it.. and it kept getting more expensive each year especially after everyone else saw what he had done to plug holes to get us those two rings..


IMO he was here 8 seasons to long.. even the play off run with Jake was fools gold, As much as I liked Jake he had very little/nothing to support him talent wise.. the OL was a joke even if they had good numbers on running the ball, when we had to have the yards inside the 20 we folded like a cheap tent, Elam was a leader in scoring in the NFL because we could not finish with TD's when we got close..

his Defenses sucked for most of his career here.. only a couple of time ranked in the top ten.. and then usually one side was strong while the other side of the D was near the bottom.. lets not even talk about ST's as we for the most part really sucked there..

sorry but I have zero love for mikey past those two rings.. Who knows with the talent we already had on the team another HC could have come in and done the same thing..

[R8R H8R]

Kyle is a handful of years away before he is ready, but I have no doubt that he will be a head coach someday. He probably needs to go the way of his dad--spend a couple of years learning what not to do as a head coach with a loser team, get fired, then join a winning organization as a hot shot OC and help them win a SB. Then he'll have good teams clamoring after him.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

see post above.. I also liked Jake and Tebow because they seemed to figure out a way to win.. no quit in either of them (save 06 for Jake when mikey stabbed him in the back)

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by R8R H8R

Kyle is a handful of years away before he is ready, but I have no doubt that he will be a head coach someday. He probably needs to go the way of his dad--spend a couple of years learning what not to do as a head coach with a loser team, get fired, then join a winning organization as a hot shot OC and help them win a SB. Then he'll have good teams clamoring after him.

sounds like the perfect spot for him KC..

[baja]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Shanahan voluntarily took the Oakland Raider HC job. His job description under Al Davis was to beat the crap out of the Broncos. Isn't that a good enough reason to at least dislike Shanahan?

Shanahan was brought into the NFL by Reeves as one of his earliest hires, promoted through the ranks from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator, then Shanahan defects to the Raiders.

That's kind of disgusting. The Raiders. Shanahan voluntarily takes the HC job under Al Davis where his job description is to beat the team that brought him into the NFL. One of the most bitter rivalries in the NFL, and Shanahan jumps ship to the rival from the team that brought him into the NFL.

I got my issues with Mike but taking the Raiders HC job certainly ins't one of them. What is he supposed to say, "No thanks Al I don't want to take the HC job that I have worked for all my life for because it's the Raiders EUUU"

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by baja

I got my issues with Mike but taking the Raiders HC job certainly ins't one of them. What is he supposed to say, "No thanks Al I don't want to take the HC job that I have worked for all my life for because it's the Raiders EUUU"

I guess I would have started with I'll take the job ONLY IF you stay the **** away from the players,practices and do not **** with what I'm doing..

there were other jobs out there perhaps not that year but they would have come along.. his EGO got the best of him AGAIN..

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by lonestar

we already have one Manning..

while I think that is Norvs peter principle level not sure I want him in DEN unless John would keep him on a very very very short leash..

not allow him in or near the war room, as I think some of Smiths draft decisions were influenced by norv..

Peyton is a general on the field, but he still defers to the OC and HC in terms of general scheme and in personnel. Norv is like Wade Phillips, crap HC but awesome coordinator. He would be a huge upgrade.