The oakland raiders suck!

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Palmer's not "that much" younger than Manning...

Manning: March 24, 1976
Palmer: December 27, 1979

Neither one constitutes "building for the future".

You're correct

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Palmer also sucks, badly. Don't forget that. As for the Broncos, I'm excited about the future because of Manning, not in spite of him.

Palmer is not all world ....ala Peyton....but he has been carrying an offense that is improving. But the Raiders have a very long way to go.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

You're correct

The difference is that we didn't invest future picks in our QB; but you did. Hey, I get it that you had few attractive options when Campbell was sidelined due to injury. But Palmer hasn't really been a solution; he's a journeyman stopgap that you paid an "elite" price for.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

The difference is that we didn't invest future picks in our QB; but you did. Hey, I get it that you had few attractive options when Campbell was sidelined due to injury. But Palmer hasn't really been a solution; he's a journeyman stopgap that you paid an "elite" price for.

Niether did the current Raiders' staff. But they have to deal with it.

Judging by your AV you don't mind Palmer. But you have to admit USC QBs have problems in the pros. Barkley is the next to disappoint?

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Judging by your AV you don't mind Palmer. But you have to admit USC QBs have problems in the pros. Barkley is the next to disappoint?

They are "running back U" not "quarterback U" , but hopefully Barkley can break that trend. Unless he goes to the queefs.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Niether did the current Raiders' staff. But they have to deal with it.

My point was: in light of the Palmer deal made by the Raiders front office, for Raider fans to criticize the Broncos' acquisition of Manning is like furiously hurling rocks from inside a glass house. J/S.

Manning + no draft picks for Indy is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(exponentially a better deal than) Palmer + 2 high draft picks for the Bengals.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

My point was: in light of the Palmer deal made by the Raiders front office, for Raider fans to criticize the Broncos' acquisition of Manning is like furiously hurling rocks from inside a glass house. J/S.

Manning + no draft picks for Indy is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(exponentially a better deal than) Palmer + 2 high draft picks for the Bengals.

I agree with you, the Manning deal is a better deal. But that's not my argument.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

I agree with you, the Manning deal is a better deal. But that's not my argument.

Um... then what is your argument? It's obvious that you don't agree with us that it was a major coup to acquire a future HOF'er... who is currently playing like a league MVP. Manning appears to have been worth every penny Bowlen is paying him. And then some.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Um... then what is your argument? It's obvious that you don't agree with us that it was a major coup to acquire a future HOF'er... who is currently playing like a league MVP. Manning appears to have been worth every penny Bowlen is paying him. And then some.

Nope, someone else said basically the same thing and I just said like I am telling you now that I am just giving a "flip side" to the Peyton signing.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Nope, someone else said basically the same thing and I just said like I am telling you now that I am just giving a "flip side" to the Peyton signing.

I don't believe there truly is a "flip side" to the Peyton signing; a FA player is either worth the compensation that was given up for him... or he isn't. Manning clearly is worth it; the jury's still out on Palmer. *shrug*

[Sassy]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I don't believe there truly is a "flip side" to the Peyton signing; a FA player is either worth the compensation that was given up for him... or he isn't. Manning clearly is worth it; the jury's still out on Palmer. *shrug*

[Kaylore]

Palmer is having a decent year for him. Unfortunately he will start sucking before Peyton and will likely be out of football before him as well.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I don't believe there truly is a "flip side" to the Peyton signing; a FA player is either worth the compensation that was given up for him... or he isn't. Manning clearly is worth it; the jury's still out on Palmer. *shrug*

Peyton was brought to Denver for 1 reason and 1reason only.....to bring a SB championship win to the Broncos. If that doesn't happen in his short time in Denver.....his signing is a complete FAIL.

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Palmer is having a decent year for him. Unfortunately he will start sucking before Peyton and will likely be out of football before him as well.

Possibly

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Peyton was brought to Denver for 1 reason and 1reason only.....to bring a SB championship win to the Broncos. If that doesn't happen in his short time in Denver.....his signing is a complete FAIL.

Speaking of complete fails.....I hear El Paso is really hip on New Year's Eve. I'm sure Matt Barkley will have a blast there.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Peyton was brought to Denver for 1 reason and 1reason only.....to bring a SB championship win to the Broncos. If that doesn't happen in his short time in Denver.....his signing is a complete FAIL.

While a SB win would be awesome, I adamantly disagree that it was the sole reason he was brought to Denver. He was brought in to win football games. But an additional motivation for acquiring an elite QB was to gain the public relations capital for shipping Tebow out of town. Had the front office not placed a clear upgrade on the roster first, there would have been howls of protest and outrage at the slightest hint that Tebow would not be the Broncos' starter on opening day 2012.

And the signing is already a complete success because we no longer have a QB controversy in Denver.

[Bronco Rob]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Palmer is not all world ....ala Peyton....but he has been carrying an offense that is improving. But the Raiders have a very long way to go.

Palmer is 7-9 as a starter in oakland - Has thrown 22 touchdowns and 21 interceptions - Barely completing 60% of his passes. Great use of a 1st and 2nd round pick.

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Speaking of complete fails.....I hear El Paso is really hip on New Year's Eve. I'm sure Matt Barkley will have a blast there.

USC D doomed the season. It does suck.....but damn it! Fight on!

Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

Palmer is 7-9 as a starter in oakland - Has thrown 22 touchdowns and 21 interceptions - Barely completing 60% of his passes. Great use of a 1st and 2nd round pick.

Most if not all of you are missing the point. I am not argueing that the Palmer trade was worth it. Heck, I am not even saying he is a great QB on par with Peyton. It's like talking to small children.

"But.....but....but......your QB and team sucks!"

Originally Posted by Blueflame

While a SB win would be awesome, I adamantly disagree that it was the sole reason he was brought to Denver. He was brought in to win football games. But an additional motivation for acquiring an elite QB was to gain the public relations capital for shipping Tebow out of town. Had the front office not placed a clear upgrade on the roster first, there would have been howls of protest and outrage at the slightest hint that Tebow would not be the Broncos' starter on opening day 2012.

And the signing is already a complete success because we no longer have a QB controversy in Denver.

If that's all you, the fan base, and the Broncos orginzation want out of this.......fail.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

Most if not all of you are missing the point. I am not argueing that the Palmer trade was worth it. Heck, I am not even saying he is a great QB on par with Peyton. It's like talking to small children.

"But.....but....but......your QB and team sucks!"

It's more like you take on Peyton is really weak

Originally Posted by baja

It's more like you take on Peyton is really weak

So Peyton's 2-3 yrs of winning seasons but no SB wins coupled with low draft choices possibly leaving Denver uncompetive after he leaves has ZERO merit.

This was part of the Colts thought process. Even if he is healthy. Stay with Peyton for 2 or 3 more years or try to set yourself up for long term success with Luck.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

So Peyton's 2-3 yrs of winning seasons but no SB wins coupled low draft choices possibly leaving Denver uncompetive after he leaves has ZERO merit.

So what you are saying is unless you can win the SB you are better off losing so you get better draft picks. . That explains why you are a Raiders fan.

How many times does it have to be said Denver drafted the guy they think can replace Manning THIS year.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Fight_On!

So Peyton's 2-3 yrs of winning seasons but no SB wins coupled low draft choices possibly leaving Denver uncompetive after he leaves has ZERO merit.

A Denver Bronco fan has a realistic expectation to win every game they are watching for as long as Peyton Manning is playing QB for them

An Oakland Raiders fan has hope the Raiders will draft well.


I am so glad we have Manning. A SB will be a good possibility and a bonus