Per [Unreliable] Sources: DeAngelo Williams traded to the Broncos [Not]

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

I'm actually in the Club Level, but nice try.

I understand what you're saying, but what's DeAngelo's ceiling? Assuming both stay healthy, does he displace McGahee? I don't think so. He's going to be a change of pace guy, similar to Hillman's role now, although probably with a greater % of carries. Still less than 50%. So if it all works out, you're paying him $6M next year to be a backup RB. If it doesn't, like you mentioned, you cut him. But no harm, no foul? I don't think so - you're still out the $2.6M and the 4th or 5th round pick you gave up to get him in the first place.

we need to try to move on from the starter/backup RB paradigm. Embrace the RBBC. Deangelo and Willis would be 1A and 1B. That's how Fox-coached teams have always existed, outside of his forst year in Carolina and his years in Denver.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by fwf

What does this mean? My guy told me it was going down. I trust him. He's given me good info in the past. So I should not have shared this? Unless something falls thru at the end, its going down. We'll hear tomorrow if it fell thru. Dont ban me yet

You wont be banned but the amount of ridicule and negative reps will be unprecedented lol

[Broncoman13]

So is FWF full of shiat or is this still potentially going down?

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by fwf

What does this mean? My guy told me it was going down. I trust him. He's given me good info in the past. So I should not have shared this? Unless something falls thru at the end, its going down. We'll hear tomorrow if it fell thru. Dont ban me yet

I think he should be banned for suggesting we bench McGahee in favor of Moreno.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Banned? It gave us something to talk about.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Your $12M number has already been refuted in this thread. Pat's doing ok, but he still can't get around the salary cap. That money could be better spent towards an extension for Clady or better FAs next year than DeAngelo Williams.

But we're definitely under. I mean I dont want to give up 2's but I certainly dont mind paying him the 2.5M. We should actually be demanding the owner to spend to the cap limit. Not on all guaranteed contracts, but on contracts like Williams. I mean, the Panthers are probably going to cut him this offseason anyway. That cant be asking more then a 3.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

I'm actually in the Club Level, but nice try.

I understand what you're saying, but what's DeAngelo's ceiling?

He's had a year with over 1600 rushing and receiving yards and 20 TDs, so you tell me. By definition, his ceiling is at least that. I don't think anyone would be too upset about that.

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

So if it all works out, you're paying him $6M next year to be a backup RB.

$4.75.....why do you keep outright lying about this number?

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by swaiy

You wont be banned but the amount of ridicule and negative reps will be unprecedented lol

you'd rather no one ever bring in rumors? What fun would that be?

If you only want hard and fast news, stick with reading the Denver Post.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by mwill07

you'd rather no one ever bring in rumors? What fun would that be?

If you only want hard and fast news, stick with reading the Denver Post.

OP might want to change the thread title to "Potentially Traded" until it actually happens.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by fwf

What does this mean? My guy told me it was going down. I trust him. He's given me good info in the past. So I should not have shared this? Unless something falls thru at the end, its going down. We'll hear tomorrow if it fell thru. Dont ban me yet

You wanted positive rep for being the first on the trade. If it doesn't happen, you get neg rep for it. Not too hard to figure out. You are the hero or villian.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by mwill07

you'd rather no one ever bring in rumors? What fun would that be?

If you only want hard and fast news, stick with reading the Denver Post.

I like rumors just as much as the next guy. Naming a thread as fact before it happens is misleading. It gives me flashbacks of all those sources who claimed fact that Manning was a Titan.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

He's had a year with over 1600 rushing and receiving yards and 20 TDs, so you tell me. By definition, his ceiling is at least that. I don't think anyone would be too upset about that.

That was his ceiling four years ago.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by mwill07

you'd rather no one ever bring in rumors? What fun would that be?

If you only want hard and fast news, stick with reading the Denver Post.

No. I didnt say that at all. I have never sent a neg rep in all my time on these boards. I was just implying that other posters would. I could care less.

[phibacka31]

It has nothing to do with rumors...its the fact he's saying he has a source and it "is happening".... that would be like me making crap up everyday about a source I have... what good does that do... pointless conversation

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by swaiy

Explain to me how he can get 50/50 carries when their rushing attack was 3 guys? It wasnt a question of him being good enough. Their GM is a moron and now he is fired.

Anyway, I think we are done here. I doubt DWill is going to be a Bronco and Im inclined to believe you are a troll as others have pointed out. Even when your claims are proven to be wrong, you twist your argument so that you never have to admit that youre wrong.

Have fun with that

Perhaps you should have run against Obama instead of Romney.

50/50 carries at the RB position. Obviously Cam was going to get his. Why couldn't DeAngelo beat out Jonathan Stewart if he's so great? You haven't answered my question. He had one great season, got his money, and that's it. Classic example of why team's are reluctant to pay RBs nowadays - they're just not that valuable anymore, and they're often not consistent from year to year.

So which arguments of mine have been proven wrong? The fact that I don't want the Broncos to waste money and picks on a guy who can't even beat out Jonathan Stewart and won't be able to beat out McGahee?? (BTW, the election is Tuesday. I'm not on the ballot, but feel free to write me in if you want.)








P.S. FIGHT ON!!!!

[pricejj]

Why do I keep envisioning fwf blindfolded standing in front of a tall chain link fence, with about 50 Omane members standing in a firing line in front of him?

[maven]

Originally Posted by phibacka31

It has nothing to do with rumors...its the fact he's saying he has a source and it "is happening".... that would be like me making crap up everyday about a source I have... what good does that do... pointless conversation

You wouldn't need a source for this rumor. Glut of RB's in Carolina, former GM fired, new coach, bad record, former head coach John fox. You could make this up and run with it on possibly being true.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by maven

That was his ceiling four years ago.

So 1k and 7-10 TDs is what we are looking at.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by maven

That was his ceiling four years ago.

No. Those were his STATS four years ago. Stats don't equal ceiling. His ceiling might have been higher. If certain plays were called differently, blocking was better, QB play was better, coaching was better, the weather was better.....etc. Things outside his control. He could've easily had more yards and TDs if certain things outside his control happened.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

So 1k and 7-10 TDs is what we are looking at.

That is about the best I was hoping for out of KM, I would do this deal if it were legit.

[Miss I.]

While I think the title is a bit misleading as there doesn't appear to be anything beyond "light rail" rumor to make this a "fact" it is an interesting discussion.

My one prior post was really just a quote from an article so I want to clarify and not take credit for it, but from that article it just seems like it'd be paying a lot for a player not getting a lot of field time right now, so my questions are this:

1. What is the real deal for the money if another team picks him up? Salary cap impacts? how much of his salary would another team really have to pay and how long would they have to keep him or could it be renegotiated in any way?

2. How good is he now really? I've looked at his stats, but I don't think those tell me the whole story. Clearly in 2008 he had a crazy good year, but he's gone down markedly. why? Is he not playing well or is he getting fewer attempts and if so why? why, if this is true, would another back get more reps if he is the best of the backs? Presumably the offensives schemes and type of back needed play into that, but do we know anything about this? Is it his quality in question or just bad coaching or something?

3. How will he help us? Is the potential cost to potential reward ratio worth it? Is he better than what we have?

[mwill07]

Deangelo would break off 2k in our system.

[R-Mac]

I hope it's true. DeAngelo Williams is one of my favorite RBs in the NFL.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

$4.75.....why do you keep outright lying about this number?

Not a lie, an honest mistake. Average of $6M for the rest of his contract. Do you think $4.75M is a good deal for a backup RB?

[tsiguy96]

only 2 hours left and not a peep from those "in the know"