Per [Unreliable] Sources: DeAngelo Williams traded to the Broncos [Not]

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

To be fair, you're the one who said "last 2 years." Not "last year".

And he did have 7 TDs in only 155 carries last year. That's a pretty damn nice TD/carry rate.

I meant this year and last. In 2008, LenDale White had 15 TDs on only 200 carries. That's a pretty nice TD/carry rate as well, maybe the Broncos should pick him up too?

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by swaiy

No he didnt get traded. Basically a thread of misinformation and people saying he sucks.

Overpaid, yes. Sucks? No.

Gotcha. Thread title is misleading you into a bronco on bronco riot

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Watch the tape, bro. Same style, similar stats (projecting Hillman if he got more work), similar measureables, same role if DeAngelo got traded to the Broncos. If you don't see it, there's nothing I can do to help you. Just be patient and you'll see that I'm right.

And yet, despite being an exact clone, Hillman somehow fell all the way to the 3rd round with at least 5 RBs being drafted ahead of him. Seems I'm not alone in my assessment.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by swaiy

I didnt feel like doing all the work for you dumbass.
im on a mobile device.

He had almost 900 yards on 155 carries last year. JStew was close to 800 with 142 carries. Please, shut up. The ran significant less due to Can Newton getting carries but keep saying he underachieved, "numbnuts."

How about you provide some details to prove that bull**** you are posting instead of expecting someone else to provide the info to prove you wrong. You made the claim so the burden of proof is on you, prick.

900 yards is horrible for a guy making $14M a year. Maybe a better question for you is, if he's so great, why didn't Carolina trust him with more than 50% of the carries last year? And why is he warming the bench behind Jonathan Stewart this year?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by fwf

no. 2.5 this year then we could cut him or keep him and pay around 5.5 next year.

the guaranteed portion is all that matters. The Broncos could negotiate a new contract with Williams if he's willing to take less. He may not be willing to take less but then the Broncos can release him with no cap hit.

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

If this is true the team just ****ed itself. Williams has nothing left and is way overpaid. Should have traded for Blount from Tampa

Yeah...forget about a proven player who might help your team...we should acquire some clown whose biggest claim to fame was sucker punching an opponent on national TV and has had one decent year if that.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

I meant this year and last. In 2008, LenDale White had 15 TDs on only 200 carries. That's a pretty nice TD/carry rate as well, maybe the Broncos should pick him up too?

1. I used it to refute the notion of him being a complete disappointment.
2. Context means everything. You're comparing a goal line specialist vs. traditional back.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Yup Deangelo and lets throw Tatum Bell in there are better than AP, Rice, McCoy, MJD, OJ Simpsonl, Fred Taylor, Arian Foster, Michael Turner. I could go on and on Come on guys quit using one stat to make a weak argument. Yes Williams had one great year but I tend to not live in the past and more of what have you done for me lately.

This is just all blowing hot air since I highly doubt there was any truth to this thread about signing him anyways.

Or just watch the tape like we use to do it. I saw the Panthers play twice this season and both times DWill jumped off the screen with his quickness. Its a team game and it really helps to play on a good team if youre a running back, but you can still see the guys with the running ability. Cj Spiller and Doug Martin have it. Marshawn Lynch has it. Speaking of 30 something backs that everyone assumed was washed up.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

900 yards is horrible for a guy making $14M a year.

How is it for $2.5?

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Maybe a better question for you is, if he's so great, why didn't Carolina trust him with more than 50% of the carries last year? And why is he warming the bench behind Jonathan Stewart this year?

Maybe their coaches suck? Could be a thousand things.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Once again, you're including the fictional back end years that NEVER get played out.

If you think he's going to suck bad enough that you already plan on cutting him, BEFORE YOU EVEN BRING HIM ON, then why are you giving up picks for him in the first place?

[orinjkrush]

data. more at:

http://www.fftoday.com/stats/players...ams?LeagueID=1

[broncosteven]

I haven't seen this reported anywhere else so I am not going to get too excited.

I would hate to give up a 2nd round pick for him, maybe they would be willing to take KM and a 4th? If so I would jump all over that.

I prefer Williams as an insurance option over KM.

Plus this way Ball could be inactive and we could make Williams the #3 RB behind Hillman until he learns the system or outplays Hillman.

I don't see how a team with a legit chance for a SB run who has changed out players and picked guys up mid season would be content to have KM as their RB insurance should McGahee go down. Plus McGahee has missed games every year he has been here and played at less that 100% other times.

Upgrade our 4th RB position just for better insurance against injury if for no other reason.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Hillman hasn't done enough YET, but he's a rookie. His game is similar to DeAngelo's, watch the tape.

$2.6 is overpaying for less than half a season of work for a backup RB. He is not starting over McGahee. You are basically asking him to fulfill Hillman's role. Why is that hard to understand?

I haven't thought the running game was broken, even before the Saints game. McGahee is on pace for nearly 1300 yards, despite the tough early schedule. And that means that our running game is in trouble? M-kay...

Oh its your money? We're 12M under for this season. 2.5M is a weekend for Pat in Barbados.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by fwf

Speaking of 30 something backs that everyone assumed was washed up.

Who is a 30 some back you named all young guys.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

This year is the only guaranteed season we would be required to pay. Do the math, 0/0 = $0M a year.

Why does everyone just assume McGahee plays at a high level next year? Maybe he becomes the back up

0/0 doesn't equal anything. It's an indeterminate number.

McGahee is probably still the starter next year, but they're grooming Hillman to take on more of the load. Might be closer to a 50/50 split next year. 2 years from now Hillman will be the guy. I don't think D-Will starts over McGahee in Denver. EVER.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

900 yards is horrible for a guy making $14M a year. Maybe a better question for you is, if he's so great, why didn't Carolina trust him with more than 50% of the carries last year? And why is he warming the bench behind Jonathan Stewart this year?

You somehow keep leaving out the fact that him, JStew, AND Cam Newton had 120+ carries. Of course its horrible for making 14M a year but who's fault is that? He and Stewart would have over 1000 yards last year if Cam Newton wasnt running for 700 yards. As far as him on the bench year, I dont know.

You come off like a dick when you debate dishonestly by putting out false information.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

If you think he's going to suck bad enough that you already plan on cutting him, BEFORE YOU EVEN BRING HIM ON, then why are you giving up picks for him in the first place?

That's not at all what I'm doing. Way to twist my words.

For those in the cheap seats (you), I'll try it again.

You're looking at cap hits 2 years from now. Don't. Look at it this way:

2012 is his tryout. For $2.6 mil, we see what he's got left. If he does well or really well, we paid very little this year and we keep him at $4.5 mil for next year. If he sucks, we cut him at the end of the year. No harm, no foul. Minimal cap hit and Pat's out $2.6 mil.

Same as every player you have or think of having on your team. You plan for all scenarios.

[TheReverend]

I'd totally get really involved in this conversation but:

1. I'm too busy

2. Looks like other people got it handled anyway

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

So I guess I could make that statement about any RB drafted in the last year or two that runs "similar" to DeAngelo. It's your opinion, but you are making it out to be a fact that Hillman = DeAngelo. That just doesn't fly.



Your math teacher failed you. Less than half a season? We still have 9 games to go....not even including playoffs.

DeAngelo will start over Hillman, but he won't start over McGahee. Yes, DeAngelo > Hillman, right now, but Hillman is only going to get better. And I just don't see what you're gaining with bringing on a #2 back that has a similar style to your current #2, only is much more expensive? Seems the team could use that money better in other areas. I realize fans fall in love with stockpiling at RB, but that position doesn't make or break your team. Especially not anymore.

On the math question? D-Will wouldn't play this Sunday, even if he got traded here. So that would be 8 games left. And how many playoff games are the Broncos guaranteed to play in at the moment?? I like our chances, but you can't count your chickens before they're hatched. My point remains, half a season.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Look at his YPA in games when he doesn't break a huge run. I'll use games from last year since he got more work. YPA is bolded:

Sun 9/11 @ ARI L 21-28 12 30 2.5 8 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 0 0
Sun 9/18 vs GB L 23-30 5 13 2.6 6 0 4 23 5.8 10 0 0 0
Sun 9/25 vs JAC W 16-10 10 18 1.8 5 0 2 17 8.5 11 0 0 0
Sun 10/23 vs WSH W 33-20 10 35 3.5 8 0 0 0 .0 0 0 0 0

Wow, looks like great if he gets a long run, average or worse when he doesn't. Hmmm....sounds a lot like Hillman, who we already have and took in the 3rd round. Why is that hard to understand?

Watch the tape. Hillman is not going to shed tackles like Williams. Williams has never played behind a decent QB. Could you imagine Peyton with a top back like Williams or vice versa. Who's the best back Peyton ever played with? Addai when he first came in? IDK. Our offense would be lights out if we give Willis 8 carries, Williams 15 and Hillman 5 every game. With Thomas out there stretching defenses ala Moss and the 1998 Vikings. We would be the Vikings but with Peyton instead of Randal.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

0/0 doesn't equal anything. It's an indeterminate number.

McGahee is probably still the starter next year, but they're grooming Hillman to take on more of the load. Might be closer to a 50/50 split next year. 2 years from now Hillman will be the guy. I don't think D-Will starts over McGahee in Denver. EVER.

If DeAngelo Williams came to the Broncos he has a few things going for him--he played for Fox and knows what Fox expects, he's a different kind of RB than McGahee so he will probably split carries, so that should hypothetically extend McGahee's career. The only real downside (and these are big) is, what will the Broncos have to give up to get Williams and what will this mean for Hillman?

But I agree with other posters who say the Broncos are in a "win now" mode and if Fox thinks DeAngelo Williams is the RB this offense needs then I can see the Broncos trading for him. I just hope the Broncos don't give up too much in return.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

On the math question? D-Will wouldn't play this Sunday, even if he got traded here. So that would be 8 games left. And how many playoff games are the Broncos guaranteed to play in at the moment?? I like our chances, but you can't count your chickens before they're hatched. My point remains, half a season.

You said "less than half".

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

And yet, despite being an exact clone, Hillman somehow fell all the way to the 3rd round with at least 5 RBs being drafted ahead of him. Seems I'm not alone in my assessment.

Straw man alert. How many backs are better than DeAngelo Williams? Many more than 5. And Hillman broke all of Marshall Faulk's records at San Diego State. So yeah, you're right...Hillman sucks.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

You said "less than half".

Ok, I should have said "half." Happy now?

[Broncos_OTM]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

900 yards is horrible for a guy making $14M a year. Maybe a better question for you is, if he's so great, why didn't Carolina trust him with more than 50% of the carries last year? And why is he warming the bench behind Jonathan Stewart this year?

you're just trolling this thread... or just not very bright.

how many carries did j stew can and deangelo have last year 2400 yards as a group and what 400 carries roughly. its a multi headed offense. who experts were high on coming into this year.

rental for the year? possibly Willis hits the wall next year?consider me one who wants insurance.because from what I have seen from hilman he can't fight for the tough yards like deangelo can. one concern I do have is if I remember correctly deangelo has a ball security issue... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong..