Per [Unreliable] Sources: DeAngelo Williams traded to the Broncos [Not]

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Al Wilson

He's made smart decisions that have worked out. He may not be spending or not as aggressive as Shanahan was, but he's playing it smart, and bringing in the right people for the right price/years, and building through the draft.

Doing the right thing unlike mikey that screwed the draft in rounds 1-3 for his entire stay in Denver. Y'all realize the only ones of those 41 picks he ever resigned we're Mobley, pryce, Wilson, Neal,Greise, Dj(what a msitake that was) a total overpaid moron. That is 13% for the math challenged.

John appears to be getting long term players both in the draft as well as UDfa college kids almost all of his picks are still on the team and contributing.
He seems to be building the team with the draft and supplementing weak spots that the rookies are not quite ready for. Unlike the past decade + of screw ups.

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Thanks for posting that. He's always a threat to break one, but if he doesn't, his YPA is pretty pedestrian. Sound familiar? Oh yeah, it sounds a lot like Hillman, only much more expensive. Hopefully this is a just a light rail rumor - I don't think it would make the Broncos much better and it would be a bad decision financially to overpay a guy like that.

how many career carries has Hillman broken now?

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

If the running game ain't broke (and it ain't), don't fix it.

How does the Bronco YPC stack up against the rest of the league? How does it compare to last year?

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Thanks for posting that. He's always a threat to break one, but if he doesn't, his YPA is pretty pedestrian. Sound familiar? Oh yeah, it sounds a lot like Hillman, only much more expensive.

More like Portis.

Hillman can't be compared to a guy who has regularly rushed for over 1000 yds in part time duty and has as many TDs as he does. Hillman has done NOTHING to merit that comparison in any shape or form.

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

it would be a bad decision financially to overpay a guy like that. If the running game ain't broke (and it ain't), don't fix it.

$2.6 mil cap hit this season. That's it. Period. How is that overpayment?

Did you think the running game wasn't "broke" before the Saints game? It's amazing how one game against a team that averages giving up almost 200 yds a game on the ground makes everyone feel all warm and fuzzy about our running game. It can be improved. And we have 3 guys on our roster today who are not even close to as good as him, so by definition, he'd improve it.

[baja]

Originally Posted by fwf

It sound like you and Baja are changing your tune a bit from Sunday.

Remember this thread: " We're a RB and LB away from being contenders" http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...66#post3709866

You said quote: "DUMBEST.THREAD.OF.THE.YEAR"

And now you dont think its such a terrible idea to grab another RB i see? Actually, Theres about 20 people on here now who think picking up one more back would be beneficial.

What do you got to say?

Really?

Read post 136. Never mind here it is;

Baja - Seriously we got a good shot this year at a ring. It makes sense to get insurance at the running back position. MaGhee being able to run has been key to our offense success, if we were to lose him even for a few games it would put a serious crimp in our golden opportunity and today is the trade deadline so it's now or never.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Thanks for posting that. He's always a threat to break one, but if he doesn't, his YPA is pretty pedestrian. Sound familiar? Oh yeah, it sounds a lot like Hillman, only much more expensive. Hopefully this is a just a light rail rumor - I don't think it would make the Broncos much better and it would be a bad decision financially to overpay a guy like that. If the running game ain't broke (and it ain't), don't fix it.

HUH? He's 25th ALL-TIME in YPA behind a bunch of QB's, old guys, Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...att_career.htm

[gunns]

Originally Posted by swaiy

The year the Panthers drafted JStew, Williams ran for over 1500 yards splitting carries. If he wasnt doing his job, i dont know what is.

I love how this is based on 1 season, 5 season's ago. I've admitted he had a great season that year, well half a season. That's generally how he operates, 1/2 season. And that is great he did that well in 1/2 a season, 5 seasons ago. Maybe we could look up other players who had great seasons, 5 seasons ago.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I don't see the problem with kicking the tires here. When's the last time we had a guy on our team (not playing QB) who proved he can get 20 TDs in a season?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...2011/tim-tebow

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Well, Denver draft Ozweiler instead of a player that would help right now and I have been banging the drum since training camp Denver needs to bring in another RB to help McGahee and keep him fresh for the playoff run. Maybe Hillman can do this but If I was Elway seeing how good this team is now I would seriously think about adding that RB because Denver is very close to being the best team in the conferance.

Piss and moan piss and moan.

Is that changing anything.

He knows that Manning is not going be around forever and brought in a potential FQB to learn form him. Somehow I trust him to know QBs and what they need more than an armchair GM/HC.

For that matter they could have picked up a guy in FA also for MLB spot, but bth Fox and JDR whom I also trust more than you to know LBs thought they could coach up Mays and his backup. Crap happens even the best make mistakes. But who knows if your pick for LB would still be n the field playing in DEN and not have had a broken leg also.

It is Not like this teams defense is in the crapper. They are highly ranked and have a QB in the wings sucking up loads of knowledge from two of the best to ever play.

It is not like anyone really thought this team would be this good at least no one that is not a total homer.

None ofthe experts saw SAN and KC going into the toilet as well as OAK still stinking it up.

I trust John to see what needs to be done in YEAR 3 of this rebuild. Pissing and moaning about it does not fix it.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by Action

yes, maybe in a game you can break off a huge run and get a boost...

But to average 5.4 ypc over 155 carries, is impressive under any circumstances.

Well when you get 150 yards out of your 850 on the year in 2 carries you can see how that effects YPC. Sure if he can get 250-300 carries and do it great on him. I've watched him play last couple years and he isn't the same back. The YPC argument was used for Tatum Bell too who only averaged less than 5.3 carries once with Denver and he is currently on the street. There is more than just stats. This fantasy football era of guys is funny. Give me a consistent back that gets 4 plus like Willis has been.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by gunns

I love how this is based on 1 season, 5 season's ago. I've admitted he had a great season that year, well half a season. That's generally how he operates, 1/2 season. And that is great he did that well in 1/2 a season, 5 seasons ago. Maybe we could look up other players who had great seasons, 5 seasons ago.

I love how you're opinion ignores what he's done even since then.

2009: 1369 yds, 5.2 per carry, and 7 TDs
Or last year: 5.4 yds per carry and 7 TDs

Tell me about McGahee or any of the other RBs on our roster. How far back would you have to go to find a comparable season to Williams's 2008 season? I'll wait.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

YPC and total yards are two VERY different criteria.



You're right. It's not like this guy has 37 TDs in the last 4 years worth of games or anything, splitting carries no less. Oh, wait a sec.



Now who sounds ignorant? Maroney? Really?

I wasn't talking criteria, I was talking about the over weighted yards in any category. YPC can eventually get a first down if he's having a game like McGahee last week, which he usually isn't. Is that what we're going to be paying for? And considering he's averaging 3.4 this year does that bring the price down? 37 TD's? Oh how clever. Let's count that one good year 5 years ago. Or are we counting returns also? Is that what we'll be paying for? Who will sound ignorant? Depending on what we would pay for him, the ones on here saying it would be great, when it turns into I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T.

The panthers gave him a 44M contract 15 months ago. The guys that get paid to evaluate players saw something. I think he splits carries bc he's hurt alot and Stewart himself is a great Back. Go watch the tape. Mcgahee may have better vision, but you cant compare his speed and burst with DWills. Sorry

How many overblown contracts have we seen that get little to nothing for it? C'mon. I'm not saying that when DWill has a moment it's not great, I'm saying they are far and few between. For me, it's all about what we give up. I'm still bitter over the Maroney thing.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...2011/tim-tebow

1. You can't read.
2. I see 6 rushing TDs

[fontaine]

If we are going to trade for a RB, I'd rather go for a freight train like Blount who could be had for pretty cheap, is only 25 with minimal wear and has shown he can carry a heavy load.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by mwill07

A complete list of NFL RB's I believe are clearly more talented than Deangelo Williams, independent of scheme:

1. Adrian Peterson - best all around back in the league. Closest we have to Walter Payton.
2. Chris Johnson - speed kills.
3. Ray Rice - a fireplug, he does it all.
4. MJD - see Ray Rice.

I will also entertain the following in the discussion, but am not convinced they are head and shoulders better than Deangelo:

Darren McFadden
Trent Richardson
Stephen Jackson
Matt Forte
Frank Gore

Your list, plus:

LeSean McCoy
Marshawn Lynch
Ahmad Bradshaw
Steven Jackson
Willis McGahee
Jamaal Charles
Ryan Mathews
and apparently, Jonathan Stewart

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I love how you're opinion ignores what he's done even since then.

2009: 1369 yds, 5.2 per carry, and 7 TDs
Or last year: 5.4 yds per carry and 7 TDs

Tell me about McGahee or any of the other RBs on our roster. How far back would you have to go to find a comparable season to Williams's 2008 season? I'll wait.

This. I couldnt post his other stats because Im mobile.

[DBroncos4life]

I read that Chris Johnson was washed up and that he doesn't have it anymore on this board too. Williams would improve the overall depth of the RB core anyone saying otherwise is a fool. The problem does it improve it to a SB contending level?

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by swaiy

The irony in all this: before DWill re-signed with the Panthers, everyone wanted him here.

That was before we got McGahee and before Williams underachieved the last two years.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by gunns

I love how this is based on 1 season, 5 season's ago. I've admitted he had a great season that year, well half a season. That's generally how he operates, 1/2 season. And that is great he did that well in 1/2 a season, 5 seasons ago. Maybe we could look up other players who had great seasons, 5 seasons ago.

Youre the one who said Stewart was drafted because Williams cant do his job... Im not even advocating that we get him. In fact, I said earlier in this thread that I dont believe he will be a Bronco. I was just responding because you blantantly posted wrong information to insinuate the guy sucked.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by gunns

I wasn't talking criteria, I was talking about the over weighted yards in any category. YPC can eventually get a first down if he's having a game like McGahee last week, which he usually isn't. Is that what we're going to be paying for?

Which is why I'm also providing total yards and TDs in my grading of him. He does have great "all around" numbers. Not just one category.

Originally Posted by gunns

And considering he's averaging 3.4 this year does that bring the price down?

Yup. Which is why he won't garner the first rounder he would've a year and a half ago. Nobody is going to give up today what they would've a few years ago. Nobody is saying otherwise.

Originally Posted by gunns

37 TD's? Oh how clever. Let's count that one good year 5 years ago. Or are we counting returns also? Is that what we'll be paying for?

Nope. No returns. Rushing and receiving TDs. And yes. That's what we'll be paying (very little) for.

Originally Posted by gunns

Who will sound ignorant? Depending on what we would pay for him, the ones on here saying it would be great, when it turns into I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T.

I'm sure this sounded better in your head.

Originally Posted by gunns

How many overblown contracts have we seen that get little to nothing for it? C'mon. I'm not saying that when DWill has a moment it's not great, I'm saying they are far and few between. For me, it's all about what we give up. I'm still bitter over the Maroney thing.

Again. Why are the anti-Williams folks so focused on what Carolina already paid for him. We don't have to worry about any of that. $2.6 mil this year. That's it. Period. End of story. Textbook little risk, high reward.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by mwill07

how many career carries has Hillman broken now?



How does the Bronco YPC stack up against the rest of the league? How does it compare to last year?

Hillman's a rookie who didn't even play the first few games because he was still working his way back from injury. He had a couple of nice long runs in the Saints game, but the point is he is going to get better every week, and he's essentially the same player as DeAngelo Williams, only younger and cheaper. So why would you pay Williams $6M a year to be McGahee's backup when you essentially just drafted the same guy in the 3nd round last year?

On your second point, I don't know the Broncos YPC this year, and I don't care. What I do care about is the Broncos are averaging 112 yards/game on the ground despite a tough early schedule. That is plenty good enough in a passing league. Manning is working with the best running game he's had in years. I mean, seriously, do you guys just always have to find something to complain about??

[DBroncos4life]

Some of you guys must think Ball or Moreno could carry the load if something happens to McGahee

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by fwf

HUH? He's 25th ALL-TIME in YPA behind a bunch of QB's, old guys, Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...att_career.htm

Yup Deangelo and lets throw Tatum Bell in there are better than AP, Rice, McCoy, MJD, OJ Simpsonl, Fred Taylor, Arian Foster, Michael Turner. I could go on and on Come on guys quit using one stat to make a weak argument. Yes Williams had one great year but I tend to not live in the past and more of what have you done for me lately.

This is just all blowing hot air since I highly doubt there was any truth to this thread about signing him anyways.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

That was before we got McGahee and before Williams underachieved the last two years.

Williams played 6 games in 2010. Underachieved? Yeah, okay.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Mile High Salute

Hillman's a rookie who didn't even play the first few games because he was still working his way back from injury. He had a couple of nice long runs in the Saints game, but the point is he is going to get better every week, and he's essentially the same player as DeAngelo Williams, only younger and cheaper. So why would you pay Williams $6M a year to be McGahee's backup when you essentially just drafted the same guy in the 3nd round last year?

Williams would be paid 2.6M to be McGahee's backup this year.

[Mile High Salute]

Originally Posted by swaiy

Williams played 6 games in 2010. Underachieved? Yeah, okay.

Last year was 2011, numbnuts.