Per [Unreliable] Sources: DeAngelo Williams traded to the Broncos [Not] - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

Bob's your Information Minister · 10-31-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

I think after Sundays performance we are in "win now" mode. It's us the texans , pats and steelers. Baltimore wont recover from the injuries. Houston lacks January experience and are also dealing with injuries. We've shown that we can beat the steelers and we'll just prey we by pass the pats.

Dude, the Patriots are total paper tigers.

That team's D is a joke and Brady is holding the offense together with spit and baling wire.

They will crumble in the playoffs.

Rohirrim · 10-31-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Being benched, and Hillman taking over, signals the end for Moreno.

I think they're keeping him around to see if some team gets amnesia and needs a RB so desperately that they give us something good for him.

CBF1 · 10-31-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

His signing bonus is already paid by the Panthers. His base salary is like $5 million.

5 million and what do you get thru 8 games, 210 rushing and 30 receiving yards..... and a whopping 2 TD's

You are joking right

Tombstone RJ · 10-31-2012, 10:18 PM

if the Broncos make this trade, what does it say about Hillman? We know Moreno is finished, that no suprise. But the Broncos just drafted Hillman so...?

CBF1 · 10-31-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

I heard from a guy who knows a guy (seriously) that works at dove valley and said this deal is all but done.

Stay tuned.

I just got off the phone with another Orangemane poster and he said you are full of shiat... I have to agree.

lonestar · 10-31-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Schism

I'm no expert on the cap, so if someone could answer this that'd be great.

If someone trades for Williams do they take on that entire contract of his or do Carolina have to eat some of it?

No way someone is going to voluntarily take on a $40m dollar contract for a 29 year old RB who's far from being a superstar at this point in his career.

the new team eats the contract from that day forward..

fwf · 10-31-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Dude, the Patriots are total paper tigers.

That team's D is a joke and Brady is holding the offense together with spit and baling wire.

They will crumble in the playoffs.

Their d was ranked 31st in yds last season and they about won it all.

DBroncos4life · 10-31-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

if the Broncos make this trade, what does it say about Hillman? We know Moreno is finished, that no suprise. But the Broncos just drafted Hillman so...?

He is the youngest player in the NFL, bringing him along slowly isn't a bad idea.

SoCalBronco · 10-31-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

if the Broncos make this trade, what does it say about Hillman? We know Moreno is finished, that no suprise. But the Broncos just drafted Hillman so...?

This makes very little sense given the price tag and the fact that we already have two backs performing well and the allegedly new back is not exactly young.

sirhcyennek81 · 10-31-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CBF1

5 million and what do you get thru 8 games, 210 rushing and 30 receiving yards..... and a whopping 2 TD's

You are joking right

Considering the first rushing option is Cam. And the second rushing option is Cam in Carolina...not surprised Williams' numbers are down. Stewart's numbers are not great either.

61 carries, 210 yards, 2 tds for williams.
52 carries, 184 yards, 0 tds for Stewart.
51 varries, 310 yards, 3 tds for Newton.

But a 29 year old back making $5 mil a year to be a backup to a 31 year old back...I'd prefer to stick with Hillman.

Bacchus · 10-31-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CBF1

5 million and what do you get thru 8 games, 210 rushing and 30 receiving yards..... and a whopping 2 TD's

You are joking right

Why am I joking? I just told you what he was salary impact was this year. He is splitting carries between 2 other backs and Cam Newton and none of them are having very good years over there.

Miss I. · 10-31-2012, 10:25 PM

There are several potential obstacles. First off, Carolina fired general manager Marty Hurney last week. The Panthers are using a committee approach, with Hurney’s former staff members working with coach Ron Rivera on personnel matters. Owner Jerry Richardson also could become involved if a decision has to be made on what to do with Williams.

More importantly, there would be big salary-cap implications for any team that trades for Williams. He would cost a new team $2.6 million in cap space the rest of this season and has $18 million remaining on a contract that runs for three more seasons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...he-trade-block

Not sure he is worth the above, just a thought.

fwf · 10-31-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

the new team eats the contract from that day forward..

We're paying tracy porter 4m this year. Well have carter and Harris for about a half million a piece next season. Don't resign porter and cut mcgahees and it's a wash. I'm for it

fwf · 10-31-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Considering the first rushing option is Cam. And the second rushing option is Cam in Carolina...not surprised Williams' numbers are down. Stewart's numbers are not great either.

61 carries, 210 yards, 2 tds for williams.
52 carries, 184 yards, 0 tds for Stewart.
51 varries, 310 yards, 3 tds for Newton.

But a 29 year old back making $5 mil a year to be a backup to a 31 year old back...I'd prefer to stick with Hillman.

You forgot to mention the Career 5.0 yds per carry avg

sirhcyennek81 · 10-31-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

You forgot to mention the Career 5.0 yds per carry avg

I fail to see the logic in getting rid of McGahee who is cheaper and still productive a year after trading for Williams who is only a year younger and nearly twice as expensive.

Bob's your Information Minister · 10-31-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

Their d was ranked 31st in yds last season and they about won it all.

They're finished, and so is the dynasty.

theAPAOps5 · 10-31-2012, 10:39 PM

Hotrod and I are calling area cell phone kiosks. Its a little hard because of the time but we are leaving messages. We will get on to this.

fwf · 10-31-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I fail to see the logic in getting rid of McGahee who is cheaper and still productive a year after trading for Williams who is only a year younger and nearly twice as expensive.

Mcgahee has lost his burst

sirhcyennek81 · 10-31-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

Mcgahee has lost his burst

Wouldnt you prefer to develop Hillman and increase his touches as McGahee winds down then trade for a ridiculously expensive option and have to repeat the process in 2014?

If the goal is to develop a lightning and thunder backfield...why not go after Hillis after this season at a more reasonable price then sending needed picks to Carolina for a guy with an 8.7 million dollar cap hit?

cutthemdown · 10-31-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

if the Broncos make this trade, what does it say about Hillman? We know Moreno is finished, that no suprise. But the Broncos just drafted Hillman so...?

it says they see Hillman as a liablity in pass protection and the want a vet they can count on more if Maghee keeps fumbling or gets injured. Hillman would then be used more as a big play threat on certain downs. I don't think it means anthing other then Maghee could get hurt, Moreno stinks, and Hillman still raw and you would not want to count on him.

I think its safe to say though this trade or not, Hillman will be getting the ball about 10 times a game from now on unless he makes a huge mistake. He glides along faster then anything we have had at RB recently.

lonestar · 10-31-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss I.

There are several potential obstacles. First off, Carolina fired general manager Marty Hurney last week. The Panthers are using a committee approach, with Hurney’s former staff members working with coach Ron Rivera on personnel matters. Owner Jerry Richardson also could become involved if a decision has to be made on what to do with Williams.

More importantly, there would be big salary-cap implications for any team that trades for Williams. He would cost a new team $2.6 million in cap space the rest of this season and has $18 million remaining on a contract that runs for three more seasons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...he-trade-block

Not sure he is worth the above, just a thought.

well that should about put a nail on that coffin once and for all..

Al Wilson · 10-31-2012, 10:49 PM

I don't believe Elway would make such a trade. This guy is 29, and has a big contract. If it was Jonathan Stweart then I'm all for it.

lonestar · 10-31-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fwf

Mcgahee has lost his burst

are you even a bronco fan?

I have yet to see a decent post from you.. This one gets near the top of your stupid posts..

Al Wilson · 10-31-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

are you even a bronco fan?

I have yet to see a decent post from you.. This one gets near the top of your stupid posts..

He has lost a step, certainly not as explosive as before, but IMO he's one of the top backs in the league in getting every yard that's there (which works great for our offense). He has top notch vision that's for sure.

kdissette · 10-31-2012, 10:52 PM

actually deangelos contract isnt guaranteed for anything after this year...so if he wanted to stick around he would have to restructure...i say its a good deal for a 1yr deal as long as we have the cap space...who knows thats gonna happen to our RBs...all i know is if mcgahee goes down hillman is wayyyyyyyy too small to take on the load and slowshon wont break and tackles or hold onto the ball so why not try to make this move?

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10-31-2012, 10:18 PM	#29
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,281 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	if the Broncos make this trade, what does it say about Hillman? We know Moreno is finished, that no suprise. But the Broncos just drafted Hillman so...?

10-31-2012, 10:25 PM	#37
Miss I. Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,025	There are several potential obstacles. First off, Carolina fired general manager Marty Hurney last week. The Panthers are using a committee approach, with Hurney’s former staff members working with coach Ron Rivera on personnel matters. Owner Jerry Richardson also could become involved if a decision has to be made on what to do with Williams. More importantly, there would be big salary-cap implications for any team that trades for Williams. He would cost a new team $2.6 million in cap space the rest of this season and has $18 million remaining on a contract that runs for three more seasons. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...he-trade-block Not sure he is worth the above, just a thought.

10-31-2012, 10:39 PM	#42
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Hotrod and I are calling area cell phone kiosks. Its a little hard because of the time but we are leaving messages. We will get on to this.

10-31-2012, 10:49 PM	#47
Al Wilson Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 938	I don't believe Elway would make such a trade. This guy is 29, and has a big contract. If it was Jonathan Stweart then I'm all for it.

10-31-2012, 10:52 PM	#50
kdissette Seasoned Veteran IN VON WE TRUST!!! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FARGO, ND Posts: 444 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	actually deangelos contract isnt guaranteed for anything after this year...so if he wanted to stick around he would have to restructure...i say its a good deal for a 1yr deal as long as we have the cap space...who knows thats gonna happen to our RBs...all i know is if mcgahee goes down hillman is wayyyyyyyy too small to take on the load and slowshon wont break and tackles or hold onto the ball so why not try to make this move?