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Old 10-31-2012, 09:21 AM   #126
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Brooking played two/three more snaps . . . . .

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in the entire 2nd half.


So the sum total of Brooking's play in the entire 2nd half was 4 or 5 snaps where he screwed up one tackle and assited in another.

Any other questions?
To be fair, almost the entirety of the 2nd half was in the nickel. The Saints go 11 personnel enough as IS in their base, let alone when they're behind multiple scores man.

Awesome work, as always. Just missing some context
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:53 AM   #127
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I'm with fontaine on this one. Though the Defense is playing better with Brooking at MLB (on running downs), he isn't exactly filling up holes or making huge plays. He had a couple tackles in the Saints game, but nothing major.

The addition of DJ is going to make this Defense even better. If he can play like he did last year (without steroids), he should be taking almost all the snaps of Brooking and Trevathan.

Our Secondary has gotten so good at tackling, that the 4-2 Nickel is effective against both the run and the pass. Having both WW and DJ as the LB's will be killer.

In a way, it's good that DJ was suspended, because it's given WW a chance to come into his own. The dude is playing lights out. With Von, WW, and DJ at LB...watch out. All three are potential Pro Bowlers, and Von is potential DPOY.

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Old 10-31-2012, 01:57 PM   #128
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I'm with fontaine on this one. Though the Defense is playing better with Brooking at MLB (on running downs), he isn't exactly filling up holes or making huge plays. He had a couple tackles in the Saints game, but nothing major.

The addition of DJ is going to make this Defense even better. If he can play like he did last year (without steroids), he should be taking almost all the snaps of Brooking and Trevathan.

Our Secondary has gotten so good at tackling, that the 4-2 Nickel is effective against both the run and the pass. Having both WW and DJ as the LB's will be killer.

In a way, it's good that DJ was suspended, because it's given WW a chance to come into his own. The dude is playing lights out. With Von, WW, and DJ at LB...watch out. All three are potential Pro Bowlers, and Von is potential DPOY.
your drinking the kooladie JJ wats is so far ahead of anyone for DPOY Von does not have a chance..

as for them being pro bowlers you do realize that voting is going on right now and the dumb ass has not played a sanp and IIRC when I voted his name is not on the ballot..

by the time he gets a significant number of plays on the board the season will be over..

As I have said before I just do not see JDR, Fox and John playing this moron unless it is spot duty and ST's or there is a major injury..

they all have better access to film than do we on top of that thet actually know what defenses have been called.. DJ has not been a force for a couple of years and by force I mean lots of tackles , not even a guy you can count on for TFL or for that matter for NO GAIN.. he never has been that type of LB, he has always been a drag them down from behind for a few yards gain..

But we will see how much time he sees on the field..
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:30 PM   #129
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Guess we will find out the the fate of DJ and how much he plays when he returns. One thing is for sure, somebody in this thread will look like an ass and it wont be me.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:32 PM   #130
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your drinking the kooladie JJ wats is so far ahead of anyone for DPOY Von does not have a chance..

as for them being pro bowlers you do realize that voting is going on right now and the dumb ass has not played a sanp and IIRC when I voted his name is not on the ballot..

by the time he gets a significant number of plays on the board the season will be over..

As I have said before I just do not see JDR, Fox and John playing this moron unless it is spot duty and ST's or there is a major injury..

they all have better access to film than do we on top of that thet actually know what defenses have been called.. DJ has not been a force for a couple of years and by force I mean lots of tackles , not even a guy you can count on for TFL or for that matter for NO GAIN.. he never has been that type of LB, he has always been a drag them down from behind for a few yards gain..

But we will see how much time he sees on the field..
Seriously, what team do you watch on Sundays?

In 13 games last year DJ had:

5 sacks, 8 Tackles for a loss, and 3 forced fumbles to go with his 70 tackles overall.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:39 PM   #131
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and more .. . . .

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ances-of-2011/

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9t. D.J. Williams, Denver Broncos: Week 14 vs. Chicago Bears (23.5 PFF Fantasy Points)

Williams is one of three Broncos to have made this list, and he begins the countdown with a dominant performance in a likely week of fantasy football playoffs. Williams’ owners would surely take his line of nine solo tackles, two sacks and two tackles for loss during any week, let alone one that may have clinched a fantasy football trophy win. His season-high +1.8 grade in pass coverage in that game was nice to see as well
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Seriously, what team do you watch on Sundays?

In 13 games last year DJ had:

5 sacks, 8 Tackles for a loss, and 3 forced fumbles to go with his 70 tackles overall.
I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..

DJ has more tackles fo a good gain than any other LB.. he is a drag down from behind specialist and if he did have a few good tackles last year other than Sacks last year

but l;ookee here ..

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Rank 	Player 	Team 	   Pos 	Value
84 	D.J. Williams 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	8
84 	Robert Ayers 	Denver Broncos 	DE 	8
84 	Joe Mays 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	8
59 	Ryan McBean 	Denver Broncos 	DT 	9
36 	Elvis Dumervil 	Denver Broncos 	DE 	11
3 	Von Miller 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	21
Hmmmm two other LBs with as many or more than your heart throb..
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:57 PM   #133
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May not make a difference but it seems the linebackers are playing much better as a unit being coached by Del Rio than they did with Allen. Im not sure if its scheme or something else but, I am curious to see how DJ would do also.

I assume he wont make much of a contribution until playoff time considering how long he has been gone.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:58 PM   #134
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To be fair, almost the entirety of the 2nd half was in the nickel. The Saints go 11 personnel enough as IS in their base, let alone when they're behind multiple scores man.

Awesome work, as always. Just missing some context
True enough and point taken.

I just wanted to highlight that Brooking isn't some kind of lynch pin in this defense but a small role player, playing a very limited number of snaps which we could drastically improve upon by replacing him with DJ.

So that by the time we hit the playoffs we can keep Woodyard at Will instead of having him wear down at the Mike position having to replace Brooking.
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I'm excited to see DJ play. Dude is going to help for sure.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:03 PM   #136
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I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..

DJ has more tackles fo a good gain than any other LB.. he is a drag down from behind specialist and if he did have a few good tackles last year other than Sacks last year

but l;ookee here ..

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Rank 	Player 	Team 	   Pos 	Value
84 	D.J. Williams 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	8
84 	Robert Ayers 	Denver Broncos 	DE 	8
84 	Joe Mays 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	8
59 	Ryan McBean 	Denver Broncos 	DT 	9
36 	Elvis Dumervil 	Denver Broncos 	DE 	11
3 	Von Miller 	Denver Broncos 	LB 	21
Hmmmm two other LBs with as many or more than your heart throb..
Uh, you do realize:

1. You stated DJ doesn't make enough tackles or tackles for a loss and now your proving your argument wrong by showing he's made 8 TFLs in 3 LESS games than Joe Mays?

2. You're comparing a OLB in Von who plays most of his snaps at the line of scrimmage compared to DJ who's playing further back.

3. You're stupidity has gotten you on my ignore list.
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Woodyard
2012 	DEN 	7 	6 	61 	42 	19 	3.0 	-- 	3 	2 	15 	-- 	8 	0 	1 	--
2011 	DEN 	15 	7 	97 	67 	30 	0.0 	-- 	2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	2 	--
Mays.
2012 	DEN 	6 	4 	20 	7 	13 	0.5 	-- 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	0 	--
2011 	DEN 	16 	12 	75 	64 	11 	0.0 	-- 	2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	0 	
Dumb ass.
2011 	DEN 	13 	13 	90 	70 	20 	5.0 	-- 	2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	3 	1
Miller
2012 	DEN 	7 	7 	27 	21 	6 	6.0 	-- 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	1 	--
2011 	DEN 	15 	15 	64 	50 	14 	11.5 	-- 	4 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	2 	--
Trevathan, Danny
2012 	DEN 	7 	0 	11 	7 	4 	0.0 	-- 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	0 	--
Brooking.
2012 	DEN 	7 	5 	25 	15 	10 	0.0 	-- 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	1 	--
Irving
2012 	DEN 	6 	0 	7 	5 	2 	0.0 	-- 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	0 	--
just a listing of the current LBs this year so far..

DJ is great athlete but has not played to his potential and is certainly not playing better than Woodyard is who is making about 30% of what moron is..
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Uh, you do realize:

1. You stated DJ doesn't make enough tackles or tackles for a loss and now your proving your argument wrong by showing he's made 8 TFLs in 3 LESS games than Joe Mays?

2. You're comparing a OLB in Von who plays most of his snaps at the line of scrimmage compared to DJ who's playing further back.

3. You're stupidity has gotten you on my ignore list.
oh I have been hoping for that for a long time I will now sleep better at night..

Maybe will not have to respond to your posts about your love affair with DJ..
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Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.
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oh I have been hoping for that for a long time I will now sleep better at night..

Maybe will not have to respond to your posts about your love affair with DJ..
Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.
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Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.
Wow aren't you cute with your names. ..

I post to bring the facts out if something stupid needs to be refuted so be

Best we had for some years, then he got a fat comtract and not so much anymore. Is he gifted sure, but he is a dumb ass who IMO has let his fan base down as well as moreso his team, and players and coaches on it.

Woodyard has got a head of steam and is now second best LB on this squad by far.

The love affair of fans with DJ has to end.

He is not that special. he is old stupid and expensive and IMO no longer in the long term plans of Elway. They have made it clear that they are only bringing in leaders, in most case college captains and smart players none of which dumb ass is.
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Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.
At this post it was 29. But good try.
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Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.
Just showed that DJ is not the super stud he fell in love with.
If that is the criteria for his IGGY list so be it.
His posts have not overly impressed me especially on DJ.
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At this post it was 29. But good try.
As if that lessens my point about you rambling and obsessing about DJ.
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You should go ask Tanahan.
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I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..
There aren't any sports bars or Buffalo Wild Wings where you're from?

I watch the Broncos at home, when they're on regular TV....live if they play near by and I can score tickets, or go to a sports bar that shows every NFL game.....
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Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.
I was going to say the same thing. I don't think I have ever seen him in an altercation.
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So that's what I need to do to get my post count up....


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May not make a difference but it seems the linebackers are playing much better as a unit being coached by Del Rio than they did with Allen. Im not sure if its scheme or something else but, I am curious to see how DJ would do also.

I assume he wont make much of a contribution until playoff time considering how long he has been gone.
I think JDR has gone a great job of isolating the LBers strengths and using them instead of forcing them into positions they are weak in.

For example: Take Nate Irving. His basic weakeness is that he can't move/negotiate through traffic/blockers and as a Mike that's a big problem. So instead of just having him on the bench and not contributing, he's been shifted over to the strong side LBer (backing up Von) so he's out in space on the edge where his weakeness isn't exposed and he can flow to the ball carrier.

Same with Trevathan who's got good short area burst and is a sound tackler. He's being used to come in on the weakside when Woodyard shifts inside and is playing with an outside angle trying to funnel guys into the middle.

But there in lies the weakeness of our LBers. Every single team that can run a no huddle, quick tempo offense forces us to stay in our base D with brooking on the field (in which case they can go pass heavy) or if we shift to nickel, then the no huddle offense goes run heavy and it's not easy to sub LBers in and out in that case.

THAT'S why I want DJ on the field. Especially in the playoffs, you know we'll go up against no huddle, potent offenses that will exploit this weakness and the ONLY way to counter that is to have an effective base package that's strong against the run (DJ is stouter, stronger than Brooking), and still be effective against pass heavy no huddle (Brooking can't cover, and DJ is much better here again).

It really is as simple as that.

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