Using Holiday in right spots - The Orange Mane

ZONA · 10-29-2012, 12:46 PM

I had noticed something in the last game that I think makes alot of sense. When the other team is near midfield and trying to land their punt inside our 20 yard line, putting Leonard back there to field punts makes sense. He has better hands and is less likely to muff the punt in such a crucial part of the field. I also noticed that when a punt was being kicked from closer to the other teams side of the field, where a punt is more likely to be returned rather then a fair catch, Holiday is in there for those. I think this was a smart coaching decision and I think it showed during the game that it's the correct way to go moving forward. You can't just throw away the potential of those return yards by having Leonard field all the punts but you like him back there for those fair catches.

Thoughts?

Beantown Bronco · 10-29-2012, 02:27 PM

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

Irish Stout · 10-29-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

What we both know is that Boldin brings the ball out of the end zone way too often on kick offs.

pricejj · 10-29-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

I had noticed something in the last game that I think makes alot of sense. When the other team is near midfield and trying to land their punt inside our 20 yard line, putting Leonard back there to field punts makes sense. He has better hands and is less likely to muff the punt in such a crucial part of the field. I also noticed that when a punt was being kicked from closer to the other teams side of the field, where a punt is more likely to be returned rather then a fair catch, Holiday is in there for those. I think this was a smart coaching decision and I think it showed during the game that it's the correct way to go moving forward. You can't just throw away the potential of those return yards by having Leonard field all the punts but you like him back there for those fair catches.

Thoughts?

Yeah, good observation. Holliday is a good to have on booming punts. Leonhard is better possessing the ball on shorter punts inside the 20. The coaching staff, once again, comes up with an effective solution.

fontaine · 10-29-2012, 02:38 PM

He's a genuine threat to take one to the house and gets this offense in solid field position. Holiday needs to get the ball more. You try and get the ball to your best players as often as possible, instead of worrying about things like fumbles.

It really is that simple.

baja · 10-29-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

I would like to give Holiday lots of chances to prove himself. He has talent. Hate to miss out on it by giving up on him too early

I think Zona poses the prefect solution in the OP.

broncogary · 10-29-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

You know a lot about movies, Mr. Ebert.

ludo21 · 10-29-2012, 03:05 PM

agreed. Very solid coaching decision.

Holiday is so cat quick and comfortable on PR it is fun to watch.

If we are in the playoff with the game on the line though.... im not so sure id go Holiday in that spot unless we 'needed' a big return

DBroncos4life · 10-29-2012, 03:12 PM

I have a feeling teams are going to fear punting the ball to us for other reasons then giving the ball back to Manning.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-29-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

Didn't the announcers mention something along the lines of, Manning only had 2 drives of 98 yards while in Indy?

Beantown Bronco · 10-29-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

Didn't the announcers mention something along the lines of, Manning only had 2 drives of 98 yards while in Indy?

Yes, but that's a very misleading stat. I'm talking more 90+ overall, not just 98 and only 98. And I'd like to know how many times he actually had the opportunity to have a 98 yard drive in Indy. It's not like people drop punts at the 2 every game. It's actually pretty rare.

Mogulseeker · 10-29-2012, 03:38 PM

What actually scares me is having that little guy floating around there with those big men trying to tackle him. One of these day Holliday is going going to get folded in half a la Johnny Knox.

Lycan · 10-29-2012, 04:24 PM

What about using him as an offensive weapon?

Could be a threat on screens or deep bombs. I imagine he's very raw though.

lonestar · 10-29-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

I noticed last night many defenders grabbing at his arms most likely to dislodge the ball than going for his legs..

not that they were on position to get at the legs but i saw him jerked at a couple of times..

Rock Chalk · 10-29-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish Stout

What we both know is that Boldin brings the ball out of the end zone way too often on kick offs.

If that ****ing guy brings out another kick from inside the end zone I am going to go ballistic.

baja · 10-29-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

I noticed last night many defenders grabbing at his arms most likely to dislodge the ball than going for his legs..

not that they were on position to get at the legs but i saw him jerked at a couple of times..

And he did bobble the ball on that long return but he was able to secure it and keep running. That bobble will not be missed on file study by Cincinnati though.

The Joker · 10-29-2012, 06:36 PM

That move that Holliday put on one of the Saints gunners on a punt in the 4th quarter was ****ing ridiculous, the guy came bombing down trying to make the tackle and missed him by like a good 5 yards.

I agree that I'd only put Holliday in there when a team is punting from deep in their own territory and there's a real shot at a good return. If a team are punting from anywhere near the halfway like I'm happy with Leonhard back there fielding.

Would like to see Holliday back on kickoffs though. Boldin hasn't impressed me, what with the fumble and that return that he took to the 6 yard line and all that.

ZONA · 10-29-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

And he did bobble the ball on that long return but he was able to secure it and keep running. That bobble will not be missed on file study by Cincinnati though.

I don't think he bobbled it. The force of the guy pulling at the ball forced his arm to move opposite his body. He still had it secure. That's what I saw anyway.

Another coaching thing here I would be drilling into these guys is, do not hold or block in the back on punt returns. Do your best to block but a guy like Holiday can make people miss on his own and the last thing we need, as we saw one this past Sunday, is a nice return to be negated by a stupid penalty.

I could see them giving him a snap or two on the offense. If you get him some work at it, you never know when you might hit one big with him.

lonestar · 10-29-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

And he did bobble the ball on that long return but he was able to secure it and keep running. That bobble will not be missed on file study by Cincinnati though.

I was not sure if it was bobbled but he was jerked a couple of times about the arms level.. so I'm guessing that the book is already written on him..

your correct CIN will be poking and jobbing at the ball..

Bronco Yoda · 10-29-2012, 08:06 PM

Leonard is still going to be the man once the weather turns nasty.

broncosteven · 10-29-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

He's a genuine threat to take one to the house and gets this offense in solid field position. Holiday needs to get the ball more. You try and get the ball to your best players as often as possible, instead of worrying about things like fumbles.

It really is that simple.

Good point.

The great thing about this coaching staff is that they are not content to stand pat and just go with the guys they have.

Fox has proven that he if a player is teh suck on the field he will get teh bench like Mays and totally inactive like KM. If he finds a better horse he will change to it even midstream as long as it makes the team better.

I love seeing them put Trevathan out there, Brooking, Hillman, even Muff guy.

Fox gets bashed here a lot but they are not afraid to adjust or find guys during the season. Just look at how terrible kfc is and what they have done to get better...NOTHING!

fontaine · 11-04-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

He's a genuine threat to take one to the house and gets this offense in solid field position. Holiday needs to get the ball more. You try and get the ball to your best players as often as possible, instead of worrying about things like fumbles.

It really is that simple.

Bump!

Holiday taking it one to the House!!!

Beantown Bronco · 11-04-2012, 01:22 PM

Keep proving me wrong Holiday. That's all I ask.

broncosteven · 11-04-2012, 01:40 PM

I am not sure if he was used as a KR in Houston, sure looked like he froze on the ball that was kicked short, not sure why he even let it bounce I would have to look at it again but he is responsible for covering that.

Love the TD but he needs to be much more consistent and reliable.

SonOfLe-loLang · 11-04-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

I am not sure if he was used as a KR in Houston, sure looked like he froze on the ball that was kicked short, not sure why he even let it bounce I would have to look at it again but he is responsible for covering that.

Love the TD but he needs to be much more consistent and reliable.

Id have to watch it again too, but he expected it to bounce, it died...fine. And then SuperBall swooped in before he could even do anything

10-29-2012, 12:46 PM	#1
ZONA Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 17,524 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Using Holiday in right spots I had noticed something in the last game that I think makes alot of sense. When the other team is near midfield and trying to land their punt inside our 20 yard line, putting Leonard back there to field punts makes sense. He has better hands and is less likely to muff the punt in such a crucial part of the field. I also noticed that when a punt was being kicked from closer to the other teams side of the field, where a punt is more likely to be returned rather then a fair catch, Holiday is in there for those. I think this was a smart coaching decision and I think it showed during the game that it's the correct way to go moving forward. You can't just throw away the potential of those return yards by having Leonard field all the punts but you like him back there for those fair catches. Thoughts?

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10-29-2012, 02:27 PM	#2
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 23,365 Adopt-a-Bronco: CJ	Holiday, while explosive, still scares the crap out of me back there. Given Manning's ability to make 98 yard drives look easy, I'm still not convinced the value of a few extra yards is worth the risk.....but what do I know?

10-29-2012, 02:38 PM	#5
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 16,630	He's a genuine threat to take one to the house and gets this offense in solid field position. Holiday needs to get the ball more. You try and get the ball to your best players as often as possible, instead of worrying about things like fumbles. It really is that simple.

10-29-2012, 03:05 PM	#8
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 25,822 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	agreed. Very solid coaching decision. Holiday is so cat quick and comfortable on PR it is fun to watch. If we are in the playoff with the game on the line though.... im not so sure id go Holiday in that spot unless we 'needed' a big return

10-29-2012, 03:12 PM	#9
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Bacon bits Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 32,299 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius "Fluff"	I have a feeling teams are going to fear punting the ball to us for other reasons then giving the ball back to Manning.

10-29-2012, 03:38 PM	#12
Mogulseeker Formerly mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boulder and Vail, Co. Posts: 17,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: CJ Anderson	What actually scares me is having that little guy floating around there with those big men trying to tackle him. One of these day Holliday is going going to get folded in half a la Johnny Knox.

10-29-2012, 04:24 PM	#13
Lycan Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,737	What about using him as an offensive weapon? Could be a threat on screens or deep bombs. I imagine he's very raw though.

10-29-2012, 06:36 PM	#17
The Joker Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,748 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	That move that Holliday put on one of the Saints gunners on a punt in the 4th quarter was ****ing ridiculous, the guy came bombing down trying to make the tackle and missed him by like a good 5 yards. I agree that I'd only put Holliday in there when a team is punting from deep in their own territory and there's a real shot at a good return. If a team are punting from anywhere near the halfway like I'm happy with Leonhard back there fielding. Would like to see Holliday back on kickoffs though. Boldin hasn't impressed me, what with the fumble and that return that he took to the 6 yard line and all that.

10-29-2012, 08:06 PM	#20
Bronco Yoda . Get OFF my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 19,717	Leonard is still going to be the man once the weather turns nasty.

11-04-2012, 01:22 PM	#23
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 23,365 Adopt-a-Bronco: CJ	Keep proving me wrong Holiday. That's all I ask.

11-04-2012, 01:40 PM	#24
broncosteven Kranz Dictum Failure is an Option for VJ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 52,509 Adopt-a-Bronco: Trevor Penrose	I am not sure if he was used as a KR in Houston, sure looked like he froze on the ball that was kicked short, not sure why he even let it bounce I would have to look at it again but he is responsible for covering that. Love the TD but he needs to be much more consistent and reliable.