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Old 10-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #26
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According to that rating system Andrew Luck has a higher run EPA than Rg3....

HOw about a top 10 list of actual QBRs... this is the most ridiculous and retarded thing I've ever seen.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:56 PM   #27
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:21 PM   #28
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This is kind of confusing. Did ESPN just make up their own QBR or did CNNSI? I am just wondering what is the real (official) QBR is. I found this list in the below link

The No. 1 ranking takes on more gravitas when you look at the list of contemporary legends staring up at him on the Real Quarterback Rating leaderboard.
Top 8 Real QB Rating (through Week 7)
• No. 1 -- Griffin and the Redskins (99.9)
• No. 2 -- Peyton Manning and the Broncos (97.3)
• No. 3 -- Aaron Rodgers and the Packers (97.2)
• No. 4 -- Tom Brady and the Patriots (93.2)
• No. 5 -- Matt Ryan and the Falcons (92.3)
• No. 6 -- Drew Brees and the Saints (91.9)
• No. 7 -- Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers (91.2)
• No. 8 -- Eli Manning and the Giants (89.4)


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...?sct=nfl_wr_a2
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:59 PM   #29
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Jay Cutler at 19. Seems low for a "franchise quarterback"
Cutler has not had a bad year. One of the big differences from the QBR to the Quarterback Rating system the NFL uses is that sacks reflect negatively in the QBR. Where they have no effect in the QB Rating. I believe this is good and bad. A QB cannot help it if he has a terrible line, which Cutler does but in the QB rating system QBs that are overly cautious and hang on to the ball too long are rewarded by taking a sack instead of throwing an incompletion.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:03 PM   #30
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Where is Tim Tebow on that list?
He's probably not on the list as it's for QB's.....
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:20 PM   #31
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This is kind of confusing. Did ESPN just make up their own QBR or did CNNSI? I am just wondering what is the real (official) QBR is. I found this list in the below link

The No. 1 ranking takes on more gravitas when you look at the list of contemporary legends staring up at him on the Real Quarterback Rating leaderboard.
Top 8 Real QB Rating (through Week 7)
No. 1 -- Griffin and the Redskins (99.9)
No. 2 -- Peyton Manning and the Broncos (97.3)
No. 3 -- Aaron Rodgers and the Packers (97.2)
No. 4 -- Tom Brady and the Patriots (93.2)
No. 5 -- Matt Ryan and the Falcons (92.3)
No. 6 -- Drew Brees and the Saints (91.9)
No. 7 -- Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers (91.2)
No. 8 -- Eli Manning and the Giants (89.4)


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...?sct=nfl_wr_a2
The only OFFICIAL rating system is the QB Ratinn system the NFL uses. CNN and ESPN have their own they uses. There are others out there as well.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:20 PM   #32
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Found it, #49
so does that mean that all 32 NFL starters and half the back-ups (32+16=48) are putting up better numbers?
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The only OFFICIAL rating system is the QB Ratinn system the NFL uses. CNN and ESPN have their own they uses. There are others out there as well.
Thanks. Every time I listen to the radio or watch tv, the list is different. I guess everyone manipulates now to make their argument
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:42 PM   #34
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My question is, how does Luck have a higher Run EPA than RGIII. I realize Luck has surprising speed, but.... let's be real here.
Just looking at the stats you would conclude RG3 is a much better runner than Luck, but QBR takes into consideration how important the yards are at the time they are gained. Luck's has had much more clutch and effective runs than RG3. Luck gets a 1st down on 60% of his runs vs RG3's 39%.

The Run EPA takes into consideration fumbles. Just taking a quick look at the stats Luck has 0 fumbles to RG3's 5 fumbles. That probably has hurt his run EPA quite a bit.

If you were to for some reason compare Elway and Vick's numbers, you would say that vick is obviously a much better runner, but Elway's runs were often extremely clutch important to victories. Elway might have a comparable if not high career run EPA than Vick.

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Old 10-24-2012, 05:50 PM   #35
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Just looking at the stats you would conclude RG3 is a much better runner than Luck, but QBR takes into consideration how important the yards are at the time they are gained. Luck's has had much more clutch and effective runs than RG3. Luck gets a 1st down on 60% of his runs vs RG3's 39%.

The Run EPA takes into consideration fumbles. Just taking a quick look at the stats Luck has 0 fumbles to RG3's 5 fumbles. That probably has hurt his run EPA quite a bit.

If you were to for some reason compare Elway and Vick's numbers, you would say that vick is obviously a much better runner, but Elway's runs were often extremely clutch important to victories. Elway might have a comparable if not high career run EPA than Vick.
I think that's a flawed approach. RGIII is almost a running back in some situations. The Run EPA seems to take a scrambling approach to its analysis, where as RGIII actually has quite a few designed runs, which can be harder to execute than a scramble where the entire middle of a defense has cleared out. There should be no conversation regarding which QB has had a greater impact rushing the ball this year.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:21 PM   #36
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so does that mean that all 32 NFL starters and half the back-ups (32+16=48) are putting up better numbers?
It does include RB/WR so I guess they can throw better than Tebow.

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It does include RB/WR so I guess they can throw better than Tebow.

Well, all things being equal Tebow is a FB. I bet he is in the top 10 throwing FBs in the NFL.
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