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Old 10-23-2012, 06:58 PM   #26
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IF DEN was 5-1 they would be making much the same comments about him also.. OOPS I meant if our defense was even close to HOU's..
Von's a big reason we're sitting at .500 despite notoriously starting behind the 8 ball this early part of the season.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:02 PM   #27
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Von is a beast. he's been schemed around, double teamed, chopped, leg whipped and just about everything else and he still makes an impact on the game. then when you have to throw he sacks those mothers like a fiend.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:31 PM   #28
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With Elvis drawing more attention because of his recent play, I thin Von is going to get fewer double teams. That alone should level the playing field a little. I like the fact that JDR isn't rushing Von EVERY down, because that versatility opens him up for more one on one situations. If you know Vons coming every snap its easy to block him out of a play, but if he drops back into coverage 20% of the time teams are forced to roll double teams to Elvis or Big Vick. What the broncos need is Wolfe to come along as an UT, and a nasty RE. Another D-linemen who could penetrate would go a long way in turning this Defense completely around.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:43 PM   #29
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According to Football Outsiders (Yeah I know, stat geeks), Denver's defense is rather close to Houstons.

They are ranked 3rd overall and ours is ranked 6th. Their methodology accounts for the offenses faced. Denver has faced the #1, #9, #10, #19 and #25 rated offenses so far (their rankings) (av Offensive Rank 10.67). Houston has faced the #18, #31, #4, #29, #36, #3 and #12 ranked offenses (Avg Offensive Rank 19). Denver is giving up 23.0 p/pg and Houston 18.3 p/pg.

TIFWIW though. Im not a big believer in their statistics or anything but I think they do a better job of comparison than the typical stats do since they adjust their rankings based on strength of opponent.
Good stuff, Denver has another top 5 offense in the Saints this week. By the time Denver starts the second half of the season they should be primed to make a big run. Playing good teams makes you better and so they should be ready to go 7-1, 6-2 the last 8 games.
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JJ Watt is a beast, and so is Von. Insofar as who I'd take, I'm partial to Von, just because he's been on the team.

But if we had Watt, Doom, and Von on the same team, we could bring Ray Crockett out of retirement because the QB would never get a pass off.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:56 PM   #31
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Patrick Peterson is better than both
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:01 PM   #32
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With Elvis drawing more attention because of his recent play, I thin Von is going to get fewer double teams. That alone should level the playing field a little. I like the fact that JDR isn't rushing Von EVERY down, because that versatility opens him up for more one on one situations. If you know Vons coming every snap its easy to block him out of a play, but if he drops back into coverage 20% of the time teams are forced to roll double teams to Elvis or Big Vick. What the broncos need is Wolfe to come along as an UT, and a nasty RE. Another D-linemen who could penetrate would go a long way in turning this Defense completely around.
I agree. Good post. There have been times where is see Von in coverage and think to myslef, wtf? They think he is going to rush but doesn't leaving Doom in a one on one situation. OTher guys along the front 4 need to step up and make **** happen when Von isn't getting after the QB.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:23 PM   #33
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Damn, that 2011 draft had some talent at the top.

Miller, Peterson, Watt and AJ Green are already among the best players in the NFL at their positions.

Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan and Robert Quinn have been slam dunk picks for their teams too.

Chiefs and Raiders both picked a great year to not have a high pick!
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:25 PM   #34
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Von is ubiquitous on the playing field. Is that a valid use of the word ubiquitous?
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:00 PM   #36
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You so nailed that impression of TheRev!
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Von is ubiquitous on the playing field. Is that a valid use of the word ubiquitous?
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Sounds about right.
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Yes, actually.
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If our defense played with a lead I think we would be a much better team. I hope the offense starts putting points on the board early. Force teams to pass I still don't trust our run defense.
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If our defense played with a lead I think we would be a much better team. I hope the offense starts putting points on the board early. Force teams to pass I still don't trust our run defense.
I agree, when Denver gets this offense going in the first half the defense will become a top 5 unit.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:09 AM   #41
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...you're really going to get mad about this?
Who's mad?

Just making an observation.
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How can someone be a lock with 10 f-ing games left to play?
Dude has 10 sacks in 7 games, and makes an impact on about every play. He'll level off some, but baring injury, he's going to win DPOY.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:44 AM   #43
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i wouldn't say that if i were you.
since 1974 13 defensive players of the year have gone to the super bowl. 11 of them helped their team win the championship. including 3 of 4 since 2000.
So you are telling me that in the 38 years since 1974, 13 times a defensive player of the year has been gone to the super bowl...

And in the 12 years since 2000 they DPOY has a 1 in 4 chance of being on the super bowl winning team?

Okay, I revise my statement. I want Von Miller to win a handful of super bowl MVPs. Since 1974 every super bowl MVP has helped his team win the super bowl and since 2000 13 of 13 super bowl MVPs have won the super bowl.
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Dude has 10 sacks in 7 games, and makes an impact on about every play. He'll level off some, but baring injury, he's going to win DPOY.
Watt has 9.5, Matthews has 9.

Von and Elvis actually each have more total pressures than Watt, even though they've played one game less.

Stats-wise, it isn't locked up. Media love-wise, maybe.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:25 AM   #45
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Watt has 9.5, Matthews has 9.

Von and Elvis actually each have more total pressures than Watt, even though they've played one game less.

Stats-wise, it isn't locked up. Media love-wise, maybe.
There are other aspects to the game than pass-rushing, fyi
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:39 AM   #46
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Sure it would be great if Von was honored with DPOY but who isn't thrilled with his progress this year? Heck he could be having the infamous sophomore slump.
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There are other aspects to the game than pass-rushing, fyi
Sure there are, but there may as well not be when they are considering giving the DPOY to a DL.
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When we consistently play with a lead, Vons sack total will skyrocket. No reason to think he won't be able to pass JJ. Heck, we have two games vs Quinn on the schedule - he could 7-8 sacks between those two games alone.

Where JJ will maintain a clear advantage is in passes defended... 10 on the season. wow.
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Sure there are, but there may as well not be when they are considering giving the DPOY to a DL.
...that's counter-intuitive to your point, man.

You complained about media hype for Watt over Matthews and used sacks to reference. Clearly JJ is having the more complete season THUS FAR even though the two are comparable in sacks.

Sooooooooooooo... what are you trying to say?
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Watt has 9.5, Matthews has 9.

Von and Elvis actually each have more total pressures than Watt, even though they've played one game less.

Stats-wise, it isn't locked up. Media love-wise, maybe.
Have you even been watching? Watt is making plays everywhere, in every facet. He is unquestioningly outplaying every defensive player in the NFL.
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