Wolfe off to a good start - The Orange Mane

KevinJames · 10-17-2012, 01:31 PM

JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)

17 tackles, 3 Sacks

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

chickennob2 · 10-17-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

2KBack · 10-17-2012, 01:55 PM

Solid if unspectacular, which for the D-line is a pretty good sign honestly.

Br0nc0Buster · 10-17-2012, 01:56 PM

I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Kaylore · 10-17-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chickennob2

He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

pricejj · 10-17-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

Bacchus · 10-17-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)

17 tackles, 3 Sacks

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

fontaine · 10-17-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

From the Oakland/SD games where I rewatched games and focused on his individual play:

Cons:
1. He's not a fast twitch, explosive guy off the snap.
2. He's largely not much of a pass rusher so far.
3. Doesn't anticipate the snap and is mediocre in his first step.

Pros:
1. Plays with a very high motor.
2. Strong against the run.
3. Plays A LOT of snaps and doesn't seem to wear down much.

Jack Del Rio does a pretty good job of trying to get him on one on one matchups by shifting him around from place to place.

I think he still has huge room for improvement as a pass rusher though. He does display good closing speed but his initial moves need refinement.

pricejj · 10-17-2012, 02:22 PM

Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-17-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

you mean like this guy?

cutthemdown · 10-17-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

I agree. I loved the pick but there is a reason he was a 2nd round prospect. His athletic ability might have a ceiling. But his work eithic and high motor, like you said, could make him a 10 yr starter for us. A player that isn't all pro, but also isn't a liablity and plays consistently.

I think Broncos still need to look for that big ugly badass to lead the inside of our front 7. I think it could come in the form of either a nasty middle linebacker, or a big nasty DT. But we sort of lack explosion in the middle of our front 7. Vickerson, Bannan, Wolfe decent but none of them strike fear like Miller or Doom, or a Bailey in the secondary etc etc. We need to get a game changing player the patrols the middle of the defense. We are a little soft there.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-17-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

A big DT that can take the double teams and free up Wolfe would be a huge boost to this defense. We finally have a guy capable of generating pressure up the middle, but he is constantly doubled because his DT partners are average at best.

DBroncos4life · 10-17-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Does that mean Chandler Jones could make it? There is only two DEs in the AFC wit more sacks then him. Also Geno Atkins says hi.

DENVERDUI55 · 10-17-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

you mean like this guy?

He wasn't a quality player though.

Rabb · 10-17-2012, 03:15 PM

He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

ludo21 · 10-17-2012, 03:20 PM

Justin Smith - ish?

Action · 10-17-2012, 03:29 PM

Fantastic start for a DT/DE.

In case you guys have forgotten, rookie DT's generally make minimal, if not, they don't make any impact their first year. That includes top 10 to top 5 drafted DTs.

Combine that with the fact that he's playing 2 positions on the dline (for a rookie)... impressive if you ask me.

He also missed mini camps because of his school graduation date.

It's crazy around here, no one seems to know what the word progression means. I already see people making final judgements on what he is and will be.

He's a rookie... I'm not sure there was any rookie dlineman that was ever effective against double teams. Matter of fact, almost ALL dlineman in the league aren't effective against double teams...

DBroncos4life · 10-17-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

Sorry I started a thread about a scrub replacing a bigger scrub

Heyneck · 10-17-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

Action · 10-17-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

That sack was when he was lined up in the DT though. For what it's worth though, he lines up at DE to play containment most of the time (running downs).

menonite · 10-17-2012, 03:46 PM

"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad.

I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.

SoCalBronco · 10-17-2012, 03:58 PM

I wonder what it is that makes Derek tick?

enjolras · 10-17-2012, 04:08 PM

I've payed a lot of attention to him when I've rewatched games this year.

He's a pretty bad defensive end, but a pretty good defensive tackle. On the end he gets swept out of the play and has trouble disengaging to make tackles.

On the other hand, he looks much more comfortable inside and is able to be pretty disruptive. I'd like to see more of Ayers on the outside with him in the middle (we saw a bit of that last week) as I think that is where he's going to be more effective.

gyldenlove · 10-17-2012, 04:09 PM

He has played more than I expected him to and has been pretty good. I like his versatility, playing inside and outside and against pass and run. I don't put much stock in stats for defensive linemen, but his play on the field has been strong and he seems to be developing.

The defensive front minus the WLB and MLB linebacker positions has been much better this year than in any other year since we cut Trevor Pryce and certainly Wolfe has to get part of the credit for that.

Action · 10-17-2012, 04:11 PM

Just a reminder that we did lose 2 defensive lineman STARTERS for the season.

10-17-2012, 01:31 PM	#1
KevinJames Not the actor/comedian HA 2012. IT BEGINS. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,763	Wolfe off to a good start JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all) 18 tackles, 1 Sack Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all) 17 tackles, 3 Sacks What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not? By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

10-17-2012, 03:29 PM	#17
Action Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 891 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Fantastic start for a DT/DE. In case you guys have forgotten, rookie DT's generally make minimal, if not, they don't make any impact their first year. That includes top 10 to top 5 drafted DTs. Combine that with the fact that he's playing 2 positions on the dline (for a rookie)... impressive if you ask me. He also missed mini camps because of his school graduation date. It's crazy around here, no one seems to know what the word progression means. I already see people making final judgements on what he is and will be. He's a rookie... I'm not sure there was any rookie dlineman that was ever effective against double teams. Matter of fact, almost ALL dlineman in the league aren't effective against double teams... Last edited by Action; 10-17-2012 at 03:39 PM..

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10-17-2012, 01:55 PM	#3
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,283	Solid if unspectacular, which for the D-line is a pretty good sign honestly.

10-17-2012, 01:56 PM	#4
Br0nc0Buster 2012 AFC West Champs Superbowl or Bust Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,466	I like what I have seen for the most part Looks just like the guy in Cinci Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

10-17-2012, 02:22 PM	#9
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,277	Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year. He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

10-17-2012, 03:15 PM	#15
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,312 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

10-17-2012, 03:20 PM	#16
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Justin Smith - ish?

10-17-2012, 03:46 PM	#21
menonite Pro Bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 535 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad. I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.

10-17-2012, 04:08 PM	#23
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,950	I've payed a lot of attention to him when I've rewatched games this year. He's a pretty bad defensive end, but a pretty good defensive tackle. On the end he gets swept out of the play and has trouble disengaging to make tackles. On the other hand, he looks much more comfortable inside and is able to be pretty disruptive. I'd like to see more of Ayers on the outside with him in the middle (we saw a bit of that last week) as I think that is where he's going to be more effective.

10-17-2012, 04:09 PM	#24
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,142 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	He has played more than I expected him to and has been pretty good. I like his versatility, playing inside and outside and against pass and run. I don't put much stock in stats for defensive linemen, but his play on the field has been strong and he seems to be developing. The defensive front minus the WLB and MLB linebacker positions has been much better this year than in any other year since we cut Trevor Pryce and certainly Wolfe has to get part of the credit for that.

10-17-2012, 04:11 PM	#25
Action Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 891 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Just a reminder that we did lose 2 defensive lineman STARTERS for the season.