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Tombstone RJ · 10-17-2012, 08:07 AM

Mays will be on the team for this season. All $4m is guaranteed right, so why cut the guy if you still have to pay him? And no other team is going to trade for him unless the Broncos eat a significant portion of his contract. So basically he is back to where he was when he played for the Eagles, a backup MLBer.

I think the Broncos just really like Mays and wanted to give him a shot at being the starting MLB but they now realize he's just too much of a one dimensional player. Perhaps Fox thought that Del Rio could get more out of him or something? Maybe Del Rio just really liked Mays and wanted to see if he could be the guy, who knows? That being said the Broncos are really in a curious situation at LBer as Williams is AWOL/WTF?, Mays is benched, Miller is basically on the LOS all the time, Woodyard is ok but can't cover in space, Trevathan is a rookie, Brooking is older than dirt, and Irving is still an unknown. It's simply wierd that the Broncos didn't make LBer more of a priority on the off season.

The Broncos either need to have 4 guys on the LOS that can get consistent pressure on the QB so it frees up Miller to play more of a traditional SLB position, or they need to make LBer a priority in the offseason. I'd prefer they do both but we shall see. Heck, the secondary still needs work too.

phibacka31 · 10-17-2012, 08:20 AM

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

Chris · 10-17-2012, 08:55 AM

Does anyone have a gif of Joe Mays staring into space like Hannibal Lecter just ate his prefrontal cortex?

broncocalijohn · 10-17-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Of course he is still part of the plan....Mays has absolute value on the team, he is just limited in what he can do. He isn't a player worth hating, even if he is one you don't want starting.

Exactly. The hate is coming because he is thrown in as a starter when he clearly has no business being there. It isn't like he is a top draft pick and is considered a bust because of it. He is a guy that might do well in special teams and be a back up to the back up. His problem is reading coverage and he can't cover. Mike is not his position. If he doesn't improve, he won't be on the roster.

DBroncos4life · 10-17-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Does anyone have a gif of Joe Mays staring into space like Hannibal Lecter just ate his prefrontal cortex?

I felt bad for him when they showed him on the sideline during the game.

broncocalijohn · 10-17-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I felt bad for him when they showed him on the sideline during the game.

He would have felt worse if he was allowed to play and his directing the players would have guaranteed a loss for our team. Best he stayed on the sideline and learned by watching.

razorwire77 · 10-17-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

Credit where credit is due, when Von got dinged and he came in for a play he blew **** up. He's also been really solid on special teams. If he develops as a player, I think he's probably going to be more of a Keith Burns type than a starting caliber MLB though.

Chris · 10-17-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I felt bad for him when they showed him on the sideline during the game.

Yeah... I did too... but then I thought what's better Joe Mays being happy or my team winning a mother****ing game?!

errand · 10-17-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I felt bad for him when they showed him on the sideline during the game.

I didn't ...he's making $4mil and not producing like he should. Special teams could use his big hits. Joe Mays is this team's version of Keith Burns

socalorado · 10-17-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

He had that monster tackle when Von went out on Mon night!
Like a freakin heatseaker!

TheReverend · 10-17-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by socalorado

He had that monster tackle when Von went out on Mon night!
Like a freakin heatseaker!

Haha yeah. He got one play to try and make an impact and made the play.

Crushaholic · 10-17-2012, 12:20 PM

"Evaluating him" is NOT the same as returning him to a starting job. He's good depth...

Popps · 10-17-2012, 12:32 PM

Lay off the Idiot Cannonball. Not his fault they made him a starter. Put him back in a reserve role where he belongs and let him come in and destroy RBs a few times a game. Problem solved.

srphoenix · 10-17-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Lay off the Idiot Cannonball. Not his fault they made him a starter. Put him back in a reserve role where he belongs and let him come in and destroy RBs a few times a game. Problem solved.

This is exactly it. Mays is a great situational run stuffing linebacker, however he is not fast enough in a 4-3 to play in space on passing plays nor to get to the edge to stop stretch runs or tosses.

Irving did have that great backside pursuant tackle, but I'm not sure he is the answer either. We have a borderline great defense and I think a stud MLB could be the last piece of that puzzle.

TheReverend · 10-17-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Lay off the Idiot Cannonball. Not his fault they made him a starter. Put him back in a reserve role where he belongs and let him come in and destroy RBs a few times a game. Problem solved.

Amazing how easily you can take this post and apply it to John Engleberger.

gyldenlove · 10-17-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Amazing how easily you can take this post and apply it to John Engleberger.

Any of the safeties we have had in the last 6 years not named John Lynch or Brian Dawkins, Nate Webster, Boss Bailey, Amon Gordon, most of the browncos and quite a few DTs over the last 5 years...

Br0nc0Buster · 10-17-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by srphoenix

This is exactly it. Mays is a great situational run stuffing linebacker, however he is not fast enough in a 4-3 to play in space on passing plays nor to get to the edge to stop stretch runs or tosses.

Irving did have that great backside pursuant tackle, but I'm not sure he is the answer either. We have a borderline great defense and I think a stud MLB could be the last piece of that puzzle.

Maybe if the situation involves the other team only using the A gaps in the run game

the good thing about Brooking is he is too slow to overrun plays

Rock Chalk · 10-17-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Amazing how easily you can take this post and apply it to John Engleberger.

JFC do you have to get Popps started on that guy?

TonyR · 10-18-2012, 12:52 PM

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This year he has six stops, the worst Run Stop Percentage among qualifying middle linebackers, and an amazingly low nine solo tackles against the run. With the success he has had in the past, one can only expect Mays’ stats to get better as the season goes on.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...e-linebackers/

BroncoMan4ever · 10-18-2012, 01:07 PM

Jesus christ I had no idea Mays was 27. I had thought he was early 30's.

cutthemdown · 10-18-2012, 01:16 PM

Be careful Joe Mays dad may be on the site. If you say anything negative about a player whose dad is on the board you have to go be a Chiefs fan.

Signed KUPESDAD

ZONA · 10-18-2012, 01:29 PM

What else do you expect them to say, he's done in Denver. They're paying the guy why would you want to kill any value or possibly get him disgruntled. Honestly, I don't even see the reason for this post. It's not even a relevant topic. He's a guy on the team, who doesn't start anymore and everybody in the world knows why and the team would not come out with any kind of statement about any player on the team saying they're not happy with them and they have no future with the team, not in the middle of the season. WTF do you expect to hear?

Kaylore · 10-18-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Be careful Joe Mays dad may be on the site. If you say anything negative about a player whose dad is on the board you have to go be a Chiefs fan.

Signed KUPESDAD

What a stupid post. Didn't you say Kuper sucked or he wouldn't start on other teams or some such nonsense? Then you're mocking a dad defending his son, especially when your point was idiotic.

Quit being a dick.

cmhargrove · 10-18-2012, 02:55 PM

We certainly could have been more aggressive looking for linebackers in free agency (especially with the DJ suspension in the works), but i'm not sure there was a ton of top flight talent available in the 2012 draft.

I guess the biggest head scratcher is that we did spend "starter money" on Mays when other options were still on the table. Oh well, this team is still developing. It will be interesting to see how the LB corps changes over the remainder of the season. Lots of season left to play, and the young guys are finally starting to produce.

cutthemdown · 10-18-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

What a stupid post. Didn't you say Kuper sucked or he wouldn't start on other teams or some such nonsense? Then you're mocking a dad defending his son, especially when your point was idiotic.

Quit being a dick.

No I said the interior oline stinks, except for maybe kuper when he is healthy, which isn't often is seems lately. Or something like that. So what you are saying is because his dad is on the site he is off limits to critique more then some other player on the board? That seems ludicrous to me. I called him out on saying i never say anything positive then making a personal insult about how my life must be, then saying for me to be a Chiefs fan. Which i find amusing because if his kid went to another team he would follow him.

I never said he sucked but in another thread awhile ago I argued he was not a top 15 or 20 guard or something like that. He would start for some teams and not others, but I stand by the opinion I don't think he is a great player. I never said he sucked though.

Like I said before though if Morenos dad shows up is he off limits then also? Its not fair to call me out just because I said something about someones kid who plays football. He should have a thicker skin then that. Not like I gave him some disparging nickname like slowshon or methwolfe lol. Whatever he is a decent gaurd when hes healthy but we need bigtime help on the interior of our oline.

I will go along with he is better then Koppen, Blake, Rameriz, and Beadles.

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10-17-2012, 08:07 AM	#26
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,527 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Mays will be on the team for this season. All $4m is guaranteed right, so why cut the guy if you still have to pay him? And no other team is going to trade for him unless the Broncos eat a significant portion of his contract. So basically he is back to where he was when he played for the Eagles, a backup MLBer. I think the Broncos just really like Mays and wanted to give him a shot at being the starting MLB but they now realize he's just too much of a one dimensional player. Perhaps Fox thought that Del Rio could get more out of him or something? Maybe Del Rio just really liked Mays and wanted to see if he could be the guy, who knows? That being said the Broncos are really in a curious situation at LBer as Williams is AWOL/WTF?, Mays is benched, Miller is basically on the LOS all the time, Woodyard is ok but can't cover in space, Trevathan is a rookie, Brooking is older than dirt, and Irving is still an unknown. It's simply wierd that the Broncos didn't make LBer more of a priority on the off season. The Broncos either need to have 4 guys on the LOS that can get consistent pressure on the QB so it frees up Miller to play more of a traditional SLB position, or they need to make LBer a priority in the offseason. I'd prefer they do both but we shall see. Heck, the secondary still needs work too.

10-17-2012, 08:20 AM	#27
phibacka31 Perennial Pro-bowler Nasty Nate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, IA Posts: 995 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

10-17-2012, 08:55 AM	#28
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,542 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Does anyone have a gif of Joe Mays staring into space like Hannibal Lecter just ate his prefrontal cortex?

10-17-2012, 12:20 PM	#37
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,079	"Evaluating him" is NOT the same as returning him to a starting job. He's good depth...

10-17-2012, 12:32 PM	#38
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	Lay off the Idiot Cannonball. Not his fault they made him a starter. Put him back in a reserve role where he belongs and let him come in and destroy RBs a few times a game. Problem solved.

10-18-2012, 01:07 PM	#45
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	Jesus christ I had no idea Mays was 27. I had thought he was early 30's.

10-18-2012, 01:16 PM	#46
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,887	Be careful Joe Mays dad may be on the site. If you say anything negative about a player whose dad is on the board you have to go be a Chiefs fan. Signed KUPESDAD

10-18-2012, 01:29 PM	#47
ZONA Ring of Famer If you smacked your screen, hahaha Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,502 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	What else do you expect them to say, he's done in Denver. They're paying the guy why would you want to kill any value or possibly get him disgruntled. Honestly, I don't even see the reason for this post. It's not even a relevant topic. He's a guy on the team, who doesn't start anymore and everybody in the world knows why and the team would not come out with any kind of statement about any player on the team saying they're not happy with them and they have no future with the team, not in the middle of the season. WTF do you expect to hear?

10-18-2012, 02:55 PM	#49
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,424 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	We certainly could have been more aggressive looking for linebackers in free agency (especially with the DJ suspension in the works), but i'm not sure there was a ton of top flight talent available in the 2012 draft. I guess the biggest head scratcher is that we did spend "starter money" on Mays when other options were still on the table. Oh well, this team is still developing. It will be interesting to see how the LB corps changes over the remainder of the season. Lots of season left to play, and the young guys are finally starting to produce.