VP Debate

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by barryr

, yes you are so above that and never do that yourself. A part of me almost hopes Obama wins just so the liberals around here find out just how much Obama wants to redistribute and make "fair" the country. Standard of living for most has gone down as it is, wait if Obama gets 4 more years. I guess you could always blame Bush for it though.

There you go again.

Just because I attack Romney doesn't mean I support Obama. There are more than two parties. Obama has made numerous mistakes. Big ones. But as mediocre as he's been, I shudder to think what Romney's continuation of Right Wing policies would do to this country. Can you say Hooverville?

[Kaylore]

Blacks and Hispanics have done the worst under any president in the last fifteen years.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

There you go again.

Just because I attack Romney doesn't mean I support Obama. There are more than two parties. Obama has made numerous mistakes. Big ones. But as mediocre as he's been, I shudder to think what Romney's continuation of Right Wing policies would do to this country. Can you say Hooverville?

, yeah, 99% of your posts and threads are all about how terrible Romney is, but you won't vote for Obama though despite nary a peep about why he is so bad other than tame not taxing enough or whatever timid reason. It is so believable

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

There you go again.

Just because I attack Romney doesn't mean I support Obama.

No, you just support failed European policies. Which is odd, considering they are in even worse shape than we are.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by pricejj

No, you just support failed European policies. Which is odd, considering they are in even worse shape than we are.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Paul Ryan scams soup kitchen for a fake publicity photograph

Paul Ryan went to a soup kitchen in Ohio for 15 minutes to get a picture of him cleaning dishes that weren't even dirty. The manager of the soup kitchen says, "He did nothing!"

http://www.examiner.com/article/paul...ity-photograph

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by pricejj

No, you just support failed European policies. Which is odd, considering they are in even worse shape than we are.

Another ignorant claim.

Those European countries that are in bad shape got that way because they drank the same "free market" Kool-Aid as the U.S. during the BushCo credit/housing/equity pump and dump.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Paul Ryan scams soup kitchen for a fake publicity photograph

Paul Ryan went to a soup kitchen in Ohio for 15 minutes to get a picture of him cleaning dishes that weren't even dirty. The manager of the soup kitchen says, "He did nothing!"

http://www.examiner.com/article/paul...ity-photograph

They prefer that they not actually have to see the 47%.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Another ignorant claim.

Those European countries that are in bad shape got that way because they drank the same "free market" Kool-Aid as the U.S. during the BushCo credit/housing/equity pump and dump.

All aboard the Communist Brigade!!

European Socialist Democracies only took 70 years to fail, while attempting to pay for single payer and cradle-to-the-grave welfare. They can raise taxes all they want, in an attempt to balance their budgets...it will never happen.

Without a strong U.S. worldwide military presence, Europe would not be able to defend themselves, because they can't afford barely any military spending...and have more defense cuts every year.

The entire world would be in complete chaos if every country adopted failed European policies, which is exactly what is happening in the countries that already have. Massive inflation, massive unemployment, and permanent slow growth or recession. All amounting to inevitable collapse. How long do you think Obama and Bernanke can keep printing dollars? Here's a hint: not long.

[pricejj]

The U.S. was founded in 1776. Creating the most free, prosperous, and productive nation that has ever existed.

How many revolutions and economic collapses has Europe been through since then?

Post 1776:
1: mid 1800's
2: WWI 1918
3: WWII 1945
4: "Great Recession" (Biden terminology, not mine) 2008-?

There are undoubtedly, too many European collapses to list. Yet you see an entire continent in locked in perpetual recession, and astronomical debt...and want to copy exactly what they did? Freaking insane.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by pricejj

All aboard the Communist Brigade!!

European Socialist Democracies only took 70 years to fail, while attempting to pay for single payer and cradle-to-the-grave welfare. They can raise taxes all they want, in an attempt to balance their budgets...it will never happen.

Without a strong U.S. worldwide military presence, Europe would not be able to defend themselves, because they can't afford barely any military spending...and have more defense cuts every year.

The entire world would be in complete chaos if every country adopted failed European policies, which is exactly what is happening in the countries that already have. Massive inflation, massive unemployment, and permanent slow growth or recession. All amounting to inevitable collapse. How long do you think Obama and Bernanke can keep printing dollars? Here's a hint: not long.

You just love running around with your hair on fire, don't you? Social programs are not the fundamental cause of the European crises. Low interest rates drove out of control spending and when the merry go round stopped, they found themselves mired in debt, just like us. Most of what happened is the result of uncontrolled greed. I realize the Right just loves to pick a scapegoat, and nine times out of ten, that scapegoat will be the poor, but that's just more scaremongering and blame. I guess it's emotionally satisfying for simpletons, but that doesn't make it true.

[Rohirrim]

Oh, and the reason our social security system is in trouble is because greedy politicians stole the surplus and gave it to the rich, not because the system itself is unsustainable.

“The government’s $2.5 trillion debt to Social Security is the real reason that so many politicians want to cut benefits. They are trying to find a way to avoid having to repay the looted money…. Given the fact that much of the surplus revenue from the 1983 payroll tax hike ended up in the pockets of the super rich in the form of income tax cuts, I propose a special tax on this group of taxpayers to recoup the missing Social Security money. The government used revenue from the Social Security payroll tax hike to fund tax cuts for the rich because that was where the money was. I think the government should recover the ‘embezzled’ money by taxing the rich.” Dr. Allen W. Smith

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Oh, and the reason our social security system is in trouble is because greedy politicians stole the surplus and gave it to the rich, not because the system itself is unsustainable.

The "greedy politician", president Obama stole from SS (by lowering the rate to 4.2%) in an effort to boost the economy this year, so he might be re-elected.

Even at 6.2%, SS is not sustainable...it would have to be raised ~1%.


Who knew that lowering taxes would boost economic activity?

[Smiling Assassin27]

[QUOTE=pricejj;3699907]The "greedy politician", president Obama stole from SS (by lowering the rate to 4.2%) in an effort to boost the economy this year, so he might be re-elected.

Even at 6.2%, SS is not sustainable...it would have to be raised ~1%.


Who knew that lowering taxes would boost economic activity?[/QUOTE]

John F. Kennedy

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You just love running around with your hair on fire, don't you? Social programs are not the fundamental cause of the European crises. Low interest rates drove out of control spending and when the merry go round stopped, they found themselves mired in debt, just like us. Most of what happened is the result of uncontrolled greed.

Ultra-low interest rates have only been around the last 4 years. What to make of the European debt accumulated pre-2008...even with the highest taxes in the world?

It's just like you said, "out of control spending". And that is precisely what Obama is guilty of. He had a chance to change the tax rates to pay for his unprecedented increase in government spending, during the 2009 budget process...and instead locked in the largest spending deficits in the history of the world.

[DBruleU]

[QUOTE=Smiling Assassin27;3699912]

Originally Posted by pricejj

The "greedy politician", president Obama stole from SS (by lowering the rate to 4.2%) in an effort to boost the economy this year, so he might be re-elected.

Even at 6.2%, SS is not sustainable...it would have to be raised ~1%.


Who knew that lowering taxes would boost economic activity?[/QUOTE]

John F. Kennedy

Oh, so now you're Jack Kennedy?!?!?!

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Ultra-low interest rates have only been around the last 4 years. What to make of the European debt accumulated pre-2008...even with the highest taxes in the world?

It's just like you said, "out of control spending". And that is precisely what Obama is guilty of. He had a chance to change the tax rates to pay for his unprecedented increase in government spending, during the 2009 budget process...and instead locked in the largest spending deficits in the history of the world.

What in the world are you talking about?

Obama's spending is the flea on the back of the elephant of Bush's spending. But we didn't hear about that, did we? Not until Obama came into office and the Right could blame Bush's spending on somebody else, like they always do. Now, we hear about it constantly. I actually agree that spending is out of control. But, just like Europe, we aren't going to be able to do anything about it until we get the money out of our politics. As long as the greedy can buy politicians who are willing to trade taxpayer dollars in exchange for holding office, nothing will change.

BTW, it requires government regulations to control spending, something the Right is vehemently opposed to.

[barryr]

[QUOTE=Smiling Assassin27;3699912]

Originally Posted by pricejj

The "greedy politician", president Obama stole from SS (by lowering the rate to 4.2%) in an effort to boost the economy this year, so he might be re-elected.

Even at 6.2%, SS is not sustainable...it would have to be raised ~1%.


Who knew that lowering taxes would boost economic activity?[/QUOTE]

John F. Kennedy

Yep, the Kennedy's were womanizing jerks, but they at least knew lowering taxes helped the economy. Today's democrats are obviously braindead about that topic and the party is controlled by morons.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[QUOTE=barryr;3699995]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Yep, the Kennedy's were womanizing jerks, but they at least knew lowering taxes helped the economy. Today's democrats are obviously braindead about that topic and the party is controlled by morons.

Do you have any idea what the top rate was under JFK?

How about Nixon?

You're totally clueless.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by pricejj

European Socialist Democracies only took 70 years to fail, while attempting to pay for single payer and cradle-to-the-grave welfare.

Clearly, you have swallowed the standard right-wing propaganda re: what happened to the EU.

Meanwhile, here in reality...

Is European socialism bleeding like a stuck PIG?

The conservatives are yelling from the rooftops that we are witnessing the slow death of European Socialism due to massive spending on social programs. They say the countries bleeding the most red ink are Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain or the P.I.G.S. of Europe as they are known in financial circles.

Greece has run out of money and is now using German money to prevent total collapse. Portugal may be next followed very closely by Spain. Yet the European countries with some of the most socialist - that is, strong social safety networks - are Germany and Denmark, two countries where things are going just fine.

In Germany, for example, every corporation in the country is required to have half of the members of their board of directors appointed by the union representing the workers of the company - the most corporate-intrusive system in all of Europe. In Denmark, not only are healthcare and education free, but they even pay students a monthly stipend to cover food, housing, and books - all the time they're in school all the way up to PhD or MD degrees.

So what differentiates Germany and Denmark from Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain? Germany and Denmark never fully drank the so-called "free trade" kool-aid, and thus both have strong manufacturing sectors. Across America you'll find German cars and Danish wind turbines, as well as across those nations themselves. But walk into any store in Spain, Greece, Ireland, or Portugal and you'll find row after row of Chinese-made goods.

Twenty years of insane flat-earth free-trade policies have disemboweled the economies of the United States and numerous European countries. The US, for example, has gone from 20% GDP in manufacturing before the election of Reagan to just 11% now. Countries that don't make things don't create real wealth, and thus must turn to Goldman Sachs to help them borrow money.

And Goldman hasn't treated Greece - or the US - all that well. The reason why China is not having this problem - and neither are South Korea or Taiwan or Singapore, all countries with strong social safety nets - is because they're strongly protecting their own manufacturing sectors.

The way we used to do before Reagan's presidency and then Bill Clinton's throwing us to the tender mercies of transnational corporations by turning US trade policy over to NAFTA and the WTO. Time to reconsider protectionism.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/201...ding-stuck-pig

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

so someone tell me why should i vote for obama the guy who was the president for 4 years . tell me why im waiting give me as many reasons as you can. seems like quite a few of you are slobbering over obama there so why should we vote for him

[barryr]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

so someone tell me why should i vote for obama the guy who was the president for 4 years . tell me why im waiting give me as many reasons as you can. seems like quite a few of you are slobbering over obama there so why should we vote for him

Your post has gone unanswered despite many posts by Obama supporters in other threads since you made it. Not that shocking. They'd rather tell themselves why Romney is the wrong answer than seriously ask themselves this question. There may be a few who agree with Obama and make America weaker since "that is the right thing to do to make the world even with America's evil occupation of countries" but obviously most sane people would not go along with such a thing. Most, again the sane at least, don't like the idea of their standard of living being lowered so more people in say Bangladesh can have a cell phone.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by barryr

Your post has gone unanswered despite many posts by Obama supporters in other threads since you made it. Not that shocking. They'd rather tell themselves why Romney is the wrong answer than seriously ask themselves this question.

Or maybe they don't feel like doing his homework for him?

Does Dan have a TV?

He could have watched the debate tonight just like everyone else.

But don't let me get in the way of your straw man fest.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Or maybe they don't feel like doing his homework for him?

Does Dan have a TV?

He could have watched the debate tonight just like everyone else.

But don't let me get in the way of your straw man fest.

The happy liberal

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Or maybe they don't feel like doing his homework for him?

Does Dan have a TV?

He could have watched the debate tonight just like everyone else.

But don't let me get in the way of your straw man fest.

oh Dan has a TV do you have class no you dont but hey you feel free to toss whatever childish insult my way they amuse me.
and if you really want me to ROLF get angry and type in the caps i love it when people flip out over the net and for extra bonus do the internet tough guy bit. that really has me in tears when people do that