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Old 10-16-2012, 11:17 AM   #26
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If Rivers was a likeable guy, I would have felt sorry for him. As it stands, I think he's a jerk. The false starts may have been bogus, but it mentally rattled him, for the rest of the game...
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:19 AM   #27
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Was I the only person who was scratching their head at some of the calls?

1st quarter-
The Rivers "false start" out of shotgun was a phantom call, even after they explained it ... that false start just was NOT THERE at the time the ref threw his flag.
The Rivers "false start" when he was under center ... again, NOT THERE when the flag was thrown.

4th quarter-
The Decker "touching" the defender flag ... really? Some of the Denver DBs were mugging SD receivers and didn't get flagged.


You can say they "offset" each other, and that it all works out in the end, but should we really be reduced to the ref's flagging plays to "make amends" for prior calls?
The Rivers one's were false starts, IMO. It's a new rule, and while it might not have been called correctly both times, it was still appropriate.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:23 AM   #28
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I'm thinking not challengeable because of the uncertainty of when the whistle was blown, but you could see early on he had it in the reverse angle.

I also think they missed the SD guy in Holliday's face on the muff because I believe he called a fair catch and that guy was all over him.
Absolutely. It was interference with a fair catch and it's against the rules.

this is why the ref Union fought the NFL on the new contract. The NFL would want to pull a guy like Triplette, who is a mistake machine, but the NFL needs a better training program in place. The refs union wanted no part of it.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:24 AM   #29
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The holding call on Koppen was bull**** ...as well as the hands to the face call on Von.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:31 AM   #30
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Seems to be a lot of phantom PI (especially offensive PI) among other calls the past couple of weeks. I think the regular refs are still very rusty and are making a bunch of terrible but at least they have control of the game and are moving it at a "normal" pace.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:32 AM   #31
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No worries, these guys have their union and a big fat new contract so all is well. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:52 AM   #32
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Absolutely. It was interference with a fair catch and it's against the rules.

this is why the ref Union fought the NFL on the new contract. The NFL would want to pull a guy like Triplette, who is a mistake machine, but the NFL needs a better training program in place. The refs union wanted no part of it.
That wasn't fair catch interference, the San Diego player didn't touch him, didn't impede his ability to make a catch by blocking his view of the ball and didn't threaten to run him over. Holliday was late getting to the ball and it came down too far in front of him for his short arms to reach it - sadly that was a mistake by a Denver player, not by the refs.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:53 AM   #33
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Not defending Boldin by any means, but they missed him recovering his fumble before the pileup.
On the slow it looked like he had control from one angle, but from the reverse you could see the ball was kind sitting on his side before the Charger came in there are snatched it.
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The Decker PI call had me all
That **** was a touchdown, right? I didn't see he get touched or go out of bounds.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #35
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That wasn't fair catch interference, the San Diego player didn't touch him, didn't impede his ability to make a catch by blocking his view of the ball and didn't threaten to run him over. Holliday was late getting to the ball and it came down too far in front of him for his short arms to reach it - sadly that was a mistake by a Denver player, not by the refs.
The rule used to be that you had to give a 2 yard cushion if it is a fair catch....is that no longer the case?
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The rule used to be that you had to give a 2 yard cushion if it is a fair catch....is that no longer the case?
It is not. The halo rule is gone as it wasn't called terribly consistently.
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Another one that baffled me: Near the end of the third quarter a Chargers guy makes a move to the line of scrimmage and Franklin (smartly) jumps.

Somehow that was on Franklin.
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That wasn't fair catch interference, the San Diego player didn't touch him, didn't impede his ability to make a catch by blocking his view of the ball and didn't threaten to run him over. Holliday was late getting to the ball and it came down too far in front of him for his short arms to reach it - sadly that was a mistake by a Denver player, not by the refs.
Yes he did. Their knees touched at he moved up to catch the ball. Meaning the defender impeded Holi from catching the ball. That's interference with the fair catch. So you're wrong.
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It's a judgement call, but the digest says this

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/faircatch
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:39 PM   #40
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Royal initiated the contact on the INT, good no call.

Deckers PI? Someone got paid off

I agree on the 2 Rivers False starts. I thought the shotgun one was a bad call, but he had a pronounced head bob when he was under center.
Maybe it's just my complete bias, but me too. After Tirico read the rule aloud, I have to say I agree with the call. Stupid rule, but right call given the rule.
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Wasn't that his reaction after a run play was called on 3rd and 8? Quite an odd call.
Yes, this is why on 3rd and 8 99.9% of teams will make a pass there and not run. It's almost always never successful. Horrible play call. You got #18 back there, throw the F'n ball.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:55 PM   #42
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Another one that baffled me: Near the end of the third quarter a Chargers guy makes a move to the line of scrimmage and Franklin (smartly) jumps.

Somehow that was on Franklin.
Franklin was being cute...he didn't instinctively react to a defensive player, which is what the rule is intended to address, rather he saw the defender encroach, then get back behind the LOS, and THEN Franklin tried to move and blame the defender

the refs rightly saw right through it.
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I saw a segment that had Manning talking into a refs ears for a good 30-40 seconds while he was on the sideline..

Would love to know what he was saying to him..

Almost thought he would get flagged.. That was a very long conversation.. Would love to know if a lip reader could have gotten anything off it..
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:07 PM   #44
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I saw a segment that had Manning talking into a refs ears for a good 30-40 seconds while he was on the sideline..

Would love to know what he was saying to him..

Almost thought he would get flagged.. That was a very long conversation.. Would love to know if a lip reader could have gotten anything off it..
You're over thinking this, he was just selling him a Buick.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:43 PM   #45
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Yes, this is why on 3rd and 8 99.9% of teams will make a pass there and not run. It's almost always never successful. Horrible play call. You got #18 back there, throw the F'n ball.
I honestly thought he audibled into that play. With all the stuff he usually does, who knows for sure if he didn't go the safe route and audible into that play...
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If the replacement refs had made those calls it would the number one story on Sports Center.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:21 PM   #47
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Bottom line,

Real refs > replacement refs.
We know. It is like this example:

DJ Williams > Joe Mays

We aren't happy with it but it is fact. Doesnt mean the "greater then" means he/they are great.


BTW, I read the official game thread from the Chargers site and boy they thought we paid off the refs. Funny how you see things with homer glasses on.
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The rule used to be that you had to give a 2 yard cushion if it is a fair catch....is that no longer the case?
I don't believe so, especially if the blocker is initiating contact which he did.
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Yes he did. Their knees touched at he moved up to catch the ball. Meaning the defender impeded Holi from catching the ball. That's interference with the fair catch. So you're wrong.
I would argue that not only does Jim Leonhard throw a block that means the Charger gunner can't stop in time but also Holiday is too far back and the muff is not caused by the incidental contact. It is a judgement call, but I can't imagine a lot of refs would throw the rag in that situation.

If Holiday moves up one more step so he gets in range to make the catch then I think the call might be appropriate as he does have right of way and would be blocked by the Charger, but as it stands I think the refs were right in judging that the muff was caused by him being too far back to secure the ball.
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Franklin was being cute...he didn't instinctively react to a defensive player, which is what the rule is intended to address, rather he saw the defender encroach, then get back behind the LOS, and THEN Franklin tried to move and blame the defender

the refs rightly saw right through it.
This is something offensive linemen are being coached to do now, when you see someone jump into the neutral zone you go as well to get the 5 yards. In that situation Franklin was clearly too slow and got called for the transparent attempt at getting a neutral zone infraction call.
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