Progressive Democrats - how you can help (v1.0)

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Blart

trollin' in support of da 2 party system

Nope, I support the 3 party system. Republican, Democrat, and Green.

[Blart]

Cool, me too.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Requiem

I am never going to donate a dime to political shenanigans.

Progressive politics ARE political shenanigans. Hats off to you, sir.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Here are some of the Colorado candidates for the green party:
http://www.coloradogreenparty.org/vote-green/

Please also donate to the green party. At least you'll know your money will be spent on candidates true to their values:
http://www.coloradogreenparty.org/contributions/

I voted Nader in 2000. I think he was the Green candidate that year. I also happened to work at the hotel at the time that hosted their convention here in Denver. The litter they left behind made the place look like Detroit. Scattered among the layers of filth on the ballroom floor was a bunch of junk pamphlets from pinkos like the Socialists.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Progressive politics ARE political shenanigans. Hats off to you, sir.

Regressive politics are political suicide.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Regressive politics are political suicide.

If "green" isn't regressive, I don't know what is. These types worship stone age cultures. Please don't tell me you're one of them.

As I said, progressivism is Socialism's cultural expression, lock, stock, and barrel. I will never make it my life's mission to impose myself on others (including other cultures) by gallivanting about slapping equals signs on everything with such an arrogant mindset that I know what is right for everyone on this earth.

[Blart]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

If "green" isn't regressive, I don't know what is. These types worship stone age cultures. Please don't tell me you're one of them.

Perhaps "stone age" societies are interesting because they make up 95% of human history, they practiced non-violence, egalitarianism, sexual parity, non-monogamy, and enjoyed less work and more leisure time than industrial and agricultural societies. But maybe that's totally regressive if you like the opposite of those things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-...omic_structure

As I said, progressivism is Socialism's cultural expression, lock, stock, and barrel. I will never make it my life's mission to impose myself on others (including other cultures) by gallivanting about slapping equals signs on everything with such an arrogant mindset that I know what is right for everyone on this earth.

If Republicans "imposed themselves on others" via bumperstickers, and only bumperstickers, I don't think I'd call them fascists anymore.

[barryr]

Don't forget, voter ID is just about protecting rights and not about making it harder to cheat. Oh, and don't forget, there is no cases of cheating, well only republicans do it of course. Yes, glad democrats do not cheat when it comes to ballots and voting. Ooops.

"Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch is at it again. The Democrat who presided over a 2010 vote casting and counting scandal in the tight race for governor was caught on video Friday guaranteeing Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Christopher Murphy a big result in the state’s largest city–even if it takes days to count."

"The 2010 Bridgeport assault on democracy included photocopied ballots, altered hours at polling places, a mysterious bag of votes and Finch’s abuse of the city’s emergency notification system to increase turnout on Election Day."

"Murphy, locked in a dead heat with Republican Linda McMahon, needs the grimy Bridgeport Guarantee. He got it from Finch on Friday while visiting small businesses in the poverty-wracked city. A laughing Finch boasts even if it takes a couples of days to get the results,”You can be guaranteed you’re going to get the vote.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_654445.html

[Blart]

Originally Posted by barryr

Don't forget, voter ID is just about protecting rights and not about making it harder to cheat. Oh, and don't forget, there is no cases of cheating, well only republicans do it of course. Yes, glad democrats do not cheat when it comes to ballots and voting. Ooops.

"Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch is at it again. The Democrat who presided over a 2010 vote casting and counting scandal in the tight race for governor was caught on video Friday guaranteeing Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Christopher Murphy a big result in the state’s largest city–even if it takes days to count."

"The 2010 Bridgeport assault on democracy included photocopied ballots, altered hours at polling places, a mysterious bag of votes and Finch’s abuse of the city’s emergency notification system to increase turnout on Election Day."

"Murphy, locked in a dead heat with Republican Linda McMahon, needs the grimy Bridgeport Guarantee. He got it from Finch on Friday while visiting small businesses in the poverty-wracked city. A laughing Finch boasts even if it takes a couples of days to get the results,”You can be guaranteed you’re going to get the vote.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_654445.html

Taking away people's right to vote won't stop a wingnut magazine accusing democrats of cheating.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Blart

Taking away people's right to vote won't stop a wingnut magazine accusing democrats of cheating.

Except no such thing is going on. Let not facts stop you, though.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by barryr

Don't forget, voter ID is just about protecting rights and not about making it harder to cheat.

It's rather obvious. Several states such as Texas offer FREE state ID and still get accused of trying to "oppress" anyway. This country's freedoms are based on a fair voting system, and it should seen obvious that identifying eligible voters is the first basic step in this.

As I am forced to keep saying on this forum, voter ID is no more "oppressive" than showing ID to get a job, bank account, cash a check, enter a federal building, get federal student aid, get a library card, take a plane ride, OR ATTEND A BARACK OBAMA SPEECH.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Says the sh*t stain who supports the party with the extensive record of actual voter fraud.

You are a waste of human DNA.

now i know your just being contrary.
DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF THE DEAD VOTING

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by Blart

Taking away people's right to vote won't stop a wingnut magazine accusing democrats of cheating.

umm how is asking for a id card denying someone to vote?
i could find example after example of democrats cheating when its close but yalls just go deaf dumb blind when i do that or change the topic ie why was robert kkk byrd allowed to serve in congress til he died why did his district kept voting for him even thou he was a racist.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by spdirty

Nope, I support the 3 party system. Republican, Democrat, and Green.

The Greens are basically an environmentalist version of the Democrats, or basically the Socialist Party. Democrats in turn are watered-down Greens. We have enough socialists in the DNC as it is. All the modern left parties are pushing the idea of using the government levers of power for their social engineering agendas and Utopian visions. That's not what government is for.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

now i know your just being contrary.
DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF THE DEAD VOTING

How dare you say such a thing!

[barryr]

Originally Posted by Blart

Taking away people's right to vote won't stop a wingnut magazine accusing democrats of cheating.

Only idiots believe that fairy tale of people not allowed to vote. Democrats like to make those accusations, but fail to offer evidence. Facts are relevant only when the opposition is deemed responsible to do so. The Saul Alinsky playbook that democrats are still using, especially Obama.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Except no such thing is going on. Let not facts stop you, though.

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen."

Now add this, "Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens."

[Blart]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Except no such thing is going on. Let not facts stop you, though.

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

umm how is asking for a id card denying someone to vote?

Originally Posted by barryr

Only idiots believe that fairy tale of people not allowed to vote. Democrats like to make those accusations, but fail to offer evidence.

How about you guys meet some people,

Joyce Block
After learning about Pennsylvania's new photo ID requirement, Ms. Block who hasn't missed an election in 70 years, went to her local PennDOT office so she could obtain her free ID. Despite having all the documentation listed on the Department of State checklist, her application was rejected because the PennDot worker couldn't read her Hebrew marriage license and the deed to her home and Pepco bill had her married name, not her maiden name. Ms. Block takes her right to vote so seriously that in 2010 she had her granddaughter take her from the hospital in a wheelchair because she couldn't obtain an absentee ballot. Read more



Sherry Skramstad
Sherry Skramstad is a 70-year old retired teacher and author, and she has been voting since she became eligible in the 1960s. Even though she has a valid driver's license from New York, she can't get a Pennsylvania license because her birth certificate doesn't match her married name, although it's been her name for over 30 years. A Department of Transportation spokesperson claims that Sherry should have been notified of "exception processing," but that message didn't make it to her until after multiple calls to the Governor, the Office of Aging, both Pennsylvania U.S. Senators, and the U. S.-Mexican consulate, and eventually, media outlets. Under the old law, Sherry would have been able to use a utility bill, or a bank statement to demonstrate her identity at the polls. Read more



Louise Furness
Louise who is 96 does not have a driver's license, which is an approved form of ID and no longer drives making it difficult for her to visit the DMV in order to get the photo ID. Like Ms. Decoursey she was born to a midwife in North Carolina and does not possess the birth certificate need to obtain an voter ID card. Many seniors like Ms. Furness now face the difficult task of finding the documents in order to get photo ID in order to vote.



Amanda Wolf
Amanda Wolf used to be able to vote using her student ID card. Under South Carolina’s new voter ID requirements, however, Amanda has had to wait 6 months to even get the paperwork necessary for her to apply for an acceptable form of ID to allow her to vote. Adopted in Georgia, Amanda’s name was different on her birth certificate, which also included the names of her birth parents. When Amanda went to Vital Records to ask for a change, she found out that they would only accept a major credit card, which she didn’t have. Finally, after 6 months and with the help of a judge, she was able to get her new birth certificate and apply for an ID. Read more

Delores Freelan
59-year-old Delores Freelan of South Carolina lives on disability, and cannot afford to petition her home state of California to change her name and fix an error on her birth certificate. Without a valid birth certificate, she cannot get a photo ID to vote. Read more

Donna Suggs
Donna Suggs, born by midwife, does not have a birth certificate. Because her birth was never reported, Donna could not get the necessary birth certificate to apply for an ID to vote. Only after an attorney stepped in to help was Donna able to successfully get her free ID. Read more

Larrie Butler
Larrie Butler, born and raised in South Carolina, is 85 years old. Denied a new driver’s license because he doesn’t have a birth certificate, Larrie went to vital records to get one and was told he’d need to provide his school and out-of-state driving records. When he returned with the documents, Larrie was told he had failed to prove his identity because he could not get his elementary school records, as the school had since closed. He was then told that he could only get a birth certificate if he paid to get his name changed.
Watch the video below for Larrie's own account of the incident

Willie Blair
Willie Blair, a 61-year-old sharecropper from Sumter, South Carolina has never been to school and cannot read. His name, given to him by his stepfather, does not match the name on his birth certificate, meaning he cannot use the certificate to get a photo ID to vote. Read more
Tennessee


Clifford Glass
Mr. Glass has been voting since 1960 and no longer has a driver's license because of an automoblie accident twelve years ago that prevents him from driving. He is an Air Force veteran but his VA card is not one of the approved forms of photo ID in Tennessee.

Listen to Clifford's story below.



Darwin Spinks
86-year-old Darwin Spinks, who served in World War II and Korea, had to pay for a "free" Tennessee voting ID. Read more

Dorothy Cooper
96-year-old Dorothy Cooper of Tennessee could not get a free voter ID because she could not produce her marriage license. Ms. Cooper presented a birth certificate, a rent receipt and a voter registration card, but was still denied the ID. Now, for the first time since the 1960s, she may not be able to vote. Read more

Lee and Phyllis Campbell
Lee and Phyllis Campbell, a retired couple from Tennessee, were asked to pay for a new license because the free IDs involve "too much paperwork." Mr. and Mrs. Campbell testified before members of the House Judiciary Committee about their ordeal. Read more

Marie Crittenden
92-year-old Marie of Etowah, Tennessee has consistently voted since 1948. However, with the passage of new voter ID requirements, Marie almost couldn’t vote. After being misinformed about the necessary identification and paperwork numerous times, Marie could only vote due to the determined aid of her niece, who convinced the election commission to use common sense and allow Marie to cast her ballot. Read more

Thelma Mitchell
For 30 years Thelma Mitchell cleaned the Tennessee state capitol, including the governor's office. Now the 93-year-old won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told that her old state ID failed the new voter ID regulations and cannot produce a birth certificate. Read more

Virginia Lasater
91-year-oldVirginia Lasater of Murfreesboro, Tennessee could not get a voter ID because, with 100 people ahead of her and no chairs, she could not physically wait at the DMV. Ms. Lasater has been voting and working on campaigns for more than 40 years, and now may be denied her right to vote. Read more

Texas
Mother of Texas State Rep. Trey Martinez Fisher
Rep. Martinez Fisher's 73-year-old mother will likely not be about to vote in the upcoming elections because she does not possess photo ID. She suffers from Parkinson's and has no driver's lecense, passport or concelad handgun license--the accepted forms of photo ID under Texas' new law. Read more

José Zuniga
José, an 83-year-old wheelchair user who lives in El Cienzo, Texas, spends the vast majority of his time at home – but he makes it out each year for Election Day. If photo ID requirements are enacted in Texas, though, Jose may be unable to continue to vote. Zuniga, who does not drive, would need to take two or three buses to get to the closest Department of Public Safety office – about 20 miles away – to get a personal identification card. Even if he makes it to the DPS office, Zuniga could face discrimination or harassment when trying to receive an ID. Read more

Juan José López Jr.
Juan, a 34-year-old Texas resident, is one of three solid waste sanitation workers in the small city of El Cienzo. While he used to have a Department of Public Safety-issued ID that would allow him to vote under a photo ID law, he has since lost that ID. Attempting to replace the identification card, though, has proved a larger hassle than he expected. In order to get a new ID, he needed documents to prove his identity and residence – like school records. At the same time, he needed ID to get access to his school records. Caught in a vicious catch-22 of identification, Juan has – for the time being – given up on obtaining ID. Dealing with the run-around of getting ID would require him to take time off work – something he cannot afford. Read more

Encarnación Vasquez
Encarnación has always used his voter registration card to vote. At age 84, he no longer has a driver’s license. Vasquez, who is well-known in the small city of Rio Bravo, had hoped that knowing the poll workers would vouch for his identity, but without photo ID, he may not be able to vote – even with his registration card. Read more

Wisconsin
Anthony Sharp
19-year-old African-American Milwaukee resident does not have any of the accepted forms of photo ID under the law and does not have the income to afford the $20 certified copy of his birth certificate in order to vote. Read more

Bettye Jones
Bettye Jones is 76 years old and has voted in every election since 1959. Active in the Civil Rights movement, she fought for her right to vote and never dreamed it could be taken away. Bettye’s mother gave birth to her in a time when African Americans in the South could not get hospital care, meaning that Bettye was born at home. No birth certificate was ever filed to record her birth. However, Bettye has a current and valid Ohio driver’s license and had never had any problems voting until she moved to Wisconsin. Here, Bettye found that she will be denied the right to vote. With no birth certificate on file, she cannot get the ID that Wisconsin requires to cast a ballot; the state’s law will also not allow her to use her out of state driver’s license to prove her identity. Read more

Carl Ellis
Carl is a U.S. Army veteran living in a homeless shelter in Milwaukee. His only photo ID is a veteran ID card, which is not accepted under the law. Read more

Chris Larsen
Wisconsin Department of Safety worker Chris Larsen was fired after encouraging his co-workers to inform citizens that IDs are free for the purposes of voting. To save money, Wisconsonites will only receive ID cards for free if they know on their own that they need to check a box on their application, otherwise they will be charged. Read more

Florence Hessing
96-year-old Florence is disabled and rarely leaves her home, voting by absentee ballot. After writing to the state asking how to get a photo ID under Wisconsin’s new government-issued photo ID law, she was told it would cost her $28, even though Wisconsin ID cards are supposed to be free. To even apply for the ID, Florence needed a birth certificate, of which her natal state of Iowa told her they had no official record. Read more

Gil Paar
Mr. Paar who served in the military for four years was not allowed to vote because his Veteran's card, which is issued by the United State Department of Veterans Affairs and contains both his photo and address is not one of the approved forms of government-issued photo ID under Wisconsin's new voter ID law. Despite having a driver's license that would have allowed him to vote, Mr. Paar refused because a VA card is the only form of photo ID that many veterans have. Read more


JoAnne Balthazor and Jeannie Vasen
69-year-old JoAnne Balthazor of Wisconsin waited at the DMV for almost 2 hours to receive her free ID for voting. Jeannie Vasen, 43, didn't have enough money with her to get a replacement ID, and ended up leaving without getting her ID after Wisconsin DMV workers failed to inform her the ID was free.
Read more

Marge Curtin
62-year-old Marge Curtin has lived and voted in the same area for 40 years. Although her name and address were listed on the rolls and the poll workers, including her friend of over 40 years, knew and recognized her, Marge was not allowed to vote because she didn’t have a photo ID. Recently injured in a car accident, Marge said she didn’t think she’d be able to make the long trip to the DMV to get an ID and went to vote at the polls anyway, as she always does. Unfortunately, here she discovered that she was barred from voting despite her unquestionable identity. Read more

Rita Platt and John Wolfe
On a day off from work, Rita and John drove 45 minutes to a DMV to get Wisconsin driver's licenses so they could vote in the upcoming election. However, when they arrived shortly after the DMV had opened, they were told that the computers were down. The couple decided to fill out the necessary paperwork, in the hopes that the computers would be up and running by the time they'd gone through the approval steps.
After presenting a current Iowa driver's license, social security card, bank statement, and pay stub, John was denied an ID and told he hadn't proven his identity. Rita was told that neither her expired Iowa driver's license nor pay stub from the state qualified as proof of identification and that she'd need to pay for a certified birth certificate or bring a US passport to be approved. Even though Rita had previously had a Wisconsin driver's license and the worker could still find her in the system, Rita was informed that she could not get a license or even a voter ID. Read more

Ruthelle Frank
Ruthelle is an 84-year-old elected official and has served on her village board since 1996, who without a birth certificate cannot obtain an ID needed to vote under Wisconsin law. Read more

Ruthelle explains the difficulty she faces in trying to obtain photo ID:



There are millions of voters nationwide. If you want more stories, here's a small slice:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

now i know your just being contrary.
DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF THE DEAD VOTING

Please tell me how many cases of voter fraud have been found in the last 10 years, and what percentage of voters that amounts to.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by Blart

How about you meet some people,

Joyce Block
After learning about Pennsylvania's new photo ID requirement, Ms. Block who hasn't missed an election in 70 years, went to her local PennDOT office so she could obtain her free ID. Despite having all the documentation listed on the Department of State checklist, her application was rejected because the PennDot worker couldn't read her Hebrew marriage license and the deed to her home and Pepco bill had her married name, not her maiden name. Ms. Block takes her right to vote so seriously that in 2010 she had her granddaughter take her from the hospital in a wheelchair because she couldn't obtain an absentee ballot. Read more



Sherry Skramstad
Sherry Skramstad is a 70-year old retired teacher and author, and she has been voting since she became eligible in the 1960s. Even though she has a valid driver's license from New York, she can't get a Pennsylvania license because her birth certificate doesn't match her married name, although it's been her name for over 30 years. A Department of Transportation spokesperson claims that Sherry should have been notified of "exception processing," but that message didn't make it to her until after multiple calls to the Governor, the Office of Aging, both Pennsylvania U.S. Senators, and the U. S.-Mexican consulate, and eventually, media outlets. Under the old law, Sherry would have been able to use a utility bill, or a bank statement to demonstrate her identity at the polls. Read more



Louise Furness
Louise who is 96 does not have a driver's license, which is an approved form of ID and no longer drives making it difficult for her to visit the DMV in order to get the photo ID. Like Ms. Decoursey she was born to a midwife in North Carolina and does not possess the birth certificate need to obtain an voter ID card. Many seniors like Ms. Furness now face the difficult task of finding the documents in order to get photo ID in order to vote.



Amanda Wolf
Amanda Wolf used to be able to vote using her student ID card. Under South Carolina’s new voter ID requirements, however, Amanda has had to wait 6 months to even get the paperwork necessary for her to apply for an acceptable form of ID to allow her to vote. Adopted in Georgia, Amanda’s name was different on her birth certificate, which also included the names of her birth parents. When Amanda went to Vital Records to ask for a change, she found out that they would only accept a major credit card, which she didn’t have. Finally, after 6 months and with the help of a judge, she was able to get her new birth certificate and apply for an ID. Read more

Delores Freelan
59-year-old Delores Freelan of South Carolina lives on disability, and cannot afford to petition her home state of California to change her name and fix an error on her birth certificate. Without a valid birth certificate, she cannot get a photo ID to vote. Read more

Donna Suggs
Donna Suggs, born by midwife, does not have a birth certificate. Because her birth was never reported, Donna could not get the necessary birth certificate to apply for an ID to vote. Only after an attorney stepped in to help was Donna able to successfully get her free ID. Read more

Larrie Butler
Larrie Butler, born and raised in South Carolina, is 85 years old. Denied a new driver’s license because he doesn’t have a birth certificate, Larrie went to vital records to get one and was told he’d need to provide his school and out-of-state driving records. When he returned with the documents, Larrie was told he had failed to prove his identity because he could not get his elementary school records, as the school had since closed. He was then told that he could only get a birth certificate if he paid to get his name changed.
Watch the video below for Larrie's own account of the incident

Willie Blair
Willie Blair, a 61-year-old sharecropper from Sumter, South Carolina has never been to school and cannot read. His name, given to him by his stepfather, does not match the name on his birth certificate, meaning he cannot use the certificate to get a photo ID to vote. Read more
Tennessee


Clifford Glass
Mr. Glass has been voting since 1960 and no longer has a driver's license because of an automoblie accident twelve years ago that prevents him from driving. He is an Air Force veteran but his VA card is not one of the approved forms of photo ID in Tennessee.

Listen to Clifford's story below.



Darwin Spinks
86-year-old Darwin Spinks, who served in World War II and Korea, had to pay for a "free" Tennessee voting ID. Read more

Dorothy Cooper
96-year-old Dorothy Cooper of Tennessee could not get a free voter ID because she could not produce her marriage license. Ms. Cooper presented a birth certificate, a rent receipt and a voter registration card, but was still denied the ID. Now, for the first time since the 1960s, she may not be able to vote. Read more

Lee and Phyllis Campbell
Lee and Phyllis Campbell, a retired couple from Tennessee, were asked to pay for a new license because the free IDs involve "too much paperwork." Mr. and Mrs. Campbell testified before members of the House Judiciary Committee about their ordeal. Read more

Marie Crittenden
92-year-old Marie of Etowah, Tennessee has consistently voted since 1948. However, with the passage of new voter ID requirements, Marie almost couldn’t vote. After being misinformed about the necessary identification and paperwork numerous times, Marie could only vote due to the determined aid of her niece, who convinced the election commission to use common sense and allow Marie to cast her ballot. Read more

Thelma Mitchell
For 30 years Thelma Mitchell cleaned the Tennessee state capitol, including the governor's office. Now the 93-year-old won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told that her old state ID failed the new voter ID regulations and cannot produce a birth certificate. Read more

Virginia Lasater
91-year-oldVirginia Lasater of Murfreesboro, Tennessee could not get a voter ID because, with 100 people ahead of her and no chairs, she could not physically wait at the DMV. Ms. Lasater has been voting and working on campaigns for more than 40 years, and now may be denied her right to vote. Read more

Texas
Mother of Texas State Rep. Trey Martinez Fisher
Rep. Martinez Fisher's 73-year-old mother will likely not be about to vote in the upcoming elections because she does not possess photo ID. She suffers from Parkinson's and has no driver's lecense, passport or concelad handgun license--the accepted forms of photo ID under Texas' new law. Read more

José Zuniga
José, an 83-year-old wheelchair user who lives in El Cienzo, Texas, spends the vast majority of his time at home – but he makes it out each year for Election Day. If photo ID requirements are enacted in Texas, though, Jose may be unable to continue to vote. Zuniga, who does not drive, would need to take two or three buses to get to the closest Department of Public Safety office – about 20 miles away – to get a personal identification card. Even if he makes it to the DPS office, Zuniga could face discrimination or harassment when trying to receive an ID. Read more

Juan José López Jr.
Juan, a 34-year-old Texas resident, is one of three solid waste sanitation workers in the small city of El Cienzo. While he used to have a Department of Public Safety-issued ID that would allow him to vote under a photo ID law, he has since lost that ID. Attempting to replace the identification card, though, has proved a larger hassle than he expected. In order to get a new ID, he needed documents to prove his identity and residence – like school records. At the same time, he needed ID to get access to his school records. Caught in a vicious catch-22 of identification, Juan has – for the time being – given up on obtaining ID. Dealing with the run-around of getting ID would require him to take time off work – something he cannot afford. Read more

Encarnación Vasquez
Encarnación has always used his voter registration card to vote. At age 84, he no longer has a driver’s license. Vasquez, who is well-known in the small city of Rio Bravo, had hoped that knowing the poll workers would vouch for his identity, but without photo ID, he may not be able to vote – even with his registration card. Read more

Wisconsin
Anthony Sharp
19-year-old African-American Milwaukee resident does not have any of the accepted forms of photo ID under the law and does not have the income to afford the $20 certified copy of his birth certificate in order to vote. Read more

Bettye Jones
Bettye Jones is 76 years old and has voted in every election since 1959. Active in the Civil Rights movement, she fought for her right to vote and never dreamed it could be taken away. Bettye’s mother gave birth to her in a time when African Americans in the South could not get hospital care, meaning that Bettye was born at home. No birth certificate was ever filed to record her birth. However, Bettye has a current and valid Ohio driver’s license and had never had any problems voting until she moved to Wisconsin. Here, Bettye found that she will be denied the right to vote. With no birth certificate on file, she cannot get the ID that Wisconsin requires to cast a ballot; the state’s law will also not allow her to use her out of state driver’s license to prove her identity. Read more

Carl Ellis
Carl is a U.S. Army veteran living in a homeless shelter in Milwaukee. His only photo ID is a veteran ID card, which is not accepted under the law. Read more

Chris Larsen
Wisconsin Department of Safety worker Chris Larsen was fired after encouraging his co-workers to inform citizens that IDs are free for the purposes of voting. To save money, Wisconsonites will only receive ID cards for free if they know on their own that they need to check a box on their application, otherwise they will be charged. Read more

Florence Hessing
96-year-old Florence is disabled and rarely leaves her home, voting by absentee ballot. After writing to the state asking how to get a photo ID under Wisconsin’s new government-issued photo ID law, she was told it would cost her $28, even though Wisconsin ID cards are supposed to be free. To even apply for the ID, Florence needed a birth certificate, of which her natal state of Iowa told her they had no official record. Read more

Gil Paar
Mr. Paar who served in the military for four years was not allowed to vote because his Veteran's card, which is issued by the United State Department of Veterans Affairs and contains both his photo and address is not one of the approved forms of government-issued photo ID under Wisconsin's new voter ID law. Despite having a driver's license that would have allowed him to vote, Mr. Paar refused because a VA card is the only form of photo ID that many veterans have. Read more


JoAnne Balthazor and Jeannie Vasen
69-year-old JoAnne Balthazor of Wisconsin waited at the DMV for almost 2 hours to receive her free ID for voting. Jeannie Vasen, 43, didn't have enough money with her to get a replacement ID, and ended up leaving without getting her ID after Wisconsin DMV workers failed to inform her the ID was free.
Read more

Marge Curtin
62-year-old Marge Curtin has lived and voted in the same area for 40 years. Although her name and address were listed on the rolls and the poll workers, including her friend of over 40 years, knew and recognized her, Marge was not allowed to vote because she didn’t have a photo ID. Recently injured in a car accident, Marge said she didn’t think she’d be able to make the long trip to the DMV to get an ID and went to vote at the polls anyway, as she always does. Unfortunately, here she discovered that she was barred from voting despite her unquestionable identity. Read more

Rita Platt and John Wolfe
On a day off from work, Rita and John drove 45 minutes to a DMV to get Wisconsin driver's licenses so they could vote in the upcoming election. However, when they arrived shortly after the DMV had opened, they were told that the computers were down. The couple decided to fill out the necessary paperwork, in the hopes that the computers would be up and running by the time they'd gone through the approval steps.
After presenting a current Iowa driver's license, social security card, bank statement, and pay stub, John was denied an ID and told he hadn't proven his identity. Rita was told that neither her expired Iowa driver's license nor pay stub from the state qualified as proof of identification and that she'd need to pay for a certified birth certificate or bring a US passport to be approved. Even though Rita had previously had a Wisconsin driver's license and the worker could still find her in the system, Rita was informed that she could not get a license or even a voter ID. Read more

Ruthelle Frank
Ruthelle is an 84-year-old elected official and has served on her village board since 1996, who without a birth certificate cannot obtain an ID needed to vote under Wisconsin law. Read more

Ruthelle explains the difficulty she faces in trying to obtain photo ID:



There are millions of voters nationwide. If you want more stories, here's a small slice:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046






Please tell me how many cases of voter fraud have been found in the last 10 years, and what percentage of voters that amounts to.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

so you need id to see obama need id to get a libray card but not to vote ?

[Blart]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

so you need id to see obama need id to get a libray card but not to vote ?

Yes. Shaking hands with the President is not a right, nor should it be.

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

That is a propaganda site, one of many run by Rick Berman.
http://bermanexposed.org/

ACORN had issues with registering voters - *all* voter registration organizations have issues with people writing illegibly or putting down a fake name, but that's not voter fraud. Those fake names are rarely cleared by local, state and federal officials.

In Ohio, fraudulent votes in 2004 made up 0.00004% of the total. In Washington State, they made up 0.0009% of the total. Meaning there were less than 10 cases each time, and those cases turned out to be mostly confused elderly voting outside their district. It's very rare for people to fraudulently vote on purpose, since it's irrational and a felony.

In Pennyslvania, where 280,000 people are about to lose their right to vote, there have only been 5 cases of voter fraud - none of which would have been stopped by voter id.

Source:
http://www.brennancenter.org/content...t_voter_fraud/
(NYU Law School)

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by Blart

That is a propaganda site, run by billionaire Rick Berman.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ACORN_activity

ACORN had issues with registering voters - *all* voter registration organizations have issues with people writing illegibly or putting down a fake name, but that's not voter fraud. Those fake names are rarely cleared by local, state and federal officials. And when they are, as in the case of someone writing their pet's name as a gag - they don't actually vote.

In Ohio, fraudulent votes in 2004 made up 0.00004% of the total. In Washington State, they made up 0.0009% of the total. Meaning there were less than 10 cases each time, and those cases turned out to be mostly confused elderly voting outside their district.

In Pennyslvania, where 280,000 people are about to lose their right to vote, there have only been 5 cases of voter fraud - none of which would have been stopped by voter id.

Source:
http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/analysis_reports/
(NYU Law School)

i noticed it went both ways more so on the democrat side but about those scandals oh and also the high energy cost.
so can you explain why i should vote for obama when he wants to do this im more than be happy to hear your side im a very reasonable person .you notice i dont go calling people names til they take stupid and take it into over drive

[Blart]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

i noticed it went both ways more so on the democrat side but about those scandals oh and also the high energy cost.
so can you explain why i should vote for obama when he wants to do this im more than be happy to hear your side im a very reasonable person .you notice i dont go calling people names til they take stupid and take it into over drive

I don't know much about the coal industry. I know they're upset that Obama is pushing Natural Gas, which is a direct competitor, and that they're very afraid of "clean coal" but other than that, not much.

I'm guessing if you or your family is invested in coal, Obama is a hard-sell.